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Post by Reefs on Dec 18, 2014 9:43:07 GMT -5
Do you mean to tell me that any of that you consider insulting to you? I have no idea what a 'Katie trap' is. You don't see the insult here? I've noticed that she doesn't seem to understand what sarcasm means: That's an absolute rarity that someone says the opposite of what is meant in order to criticize someone.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 13:54:06 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such.
There are lots of people here to talk to, and as a forum, most people choose to chat with those they have at least a modicum of rapport with. Evidently, that's not the case with a lot of people and it's neither here nor there - it just is. So, you don't need to talk to me, when there are lots of other peeps you can chat with here.
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Post by earnest on Dec 18, 2014 17:15:33 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such. There are lots of people here to talk to, and as a forum, most people choose to chat with those they have at least a modicum of rapport with. Evidently, that's not the case with a lot of people and it's neither here nor there - it just is. So, you don't need to talk to me, when there are lots of other peeps you can chat with here. The way I see it is that enigma and reefs (and others) aren't so much interested in making life more comfortable or improving things but helping you go out beyond good vs bad, broken vs fixed etc. This can be a profoundly uncomfortable process, and it can be wrongly seen as harsh, especially when no quarter is given. Maybe it's like the ripping off of a thousand bandaids. Yes it hurts, but you don't leave old bandaids on forever - at some point you see how festy they are and want them off. Maybe it would help to find out what you want and then go from there. Since you've got an interest in Buddhism, maybe some work with a therapist (hakomi might be good) or a mindfulness course (I can recommend MBSR). Honestly I have no idea... but I wish you well in the search.
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Post by laughter on Dec 18, 2014 17:17:57 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such. There are lots of people here to talk to, and as a forum, most people choose to chat with those they have at least a modicum of rapport with. Evidently, that's not the case with a lot of people and it's neither here nor there - it just is. So, you don't need to talk to me, when there are lots of other peeps you can chat with here. The underlined is a double bind.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 18:04:15 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such. There are lots of people here to talk to, and as a forum, most people choose to chat with those they have at least a modicum of rapport with. Evidently, that's not the case with a lot of people and it's neither here nor there - it just is. So, you don't need to talk to me, when there are lots of other peeps you can chat with here. The underlined is a double bind. Thanks! I can fix that. Stay away!
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2014 18:05:39 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such. I've never had a "beef" with you, nor have I asked you to govern yourself. All I did was ask you if you to confirm that you saw no insult in what you said. Instead of answering it, you claimed to not have any idea what I'm talking about, and then proceeded to defend yourself against your own conclusions about what I was talking about, which you clearly did understand, and got yourself in such a tizzy that you want to break off communications with me. You do all this to yourself and it really has nothing to do with me. That's the sort of thing I'm trying to point out. You hurt yourself a lot, and then you blame others. There are two injustices there.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 18:07:27 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such. There are lots of people here to talk to, and as a forum, most people choose to chat with those they have at least a modicum of rapport with. Evidently, that's not the case with a lot of people and it's neither here nor there - it just is. So, you don't need to talk to me, when there are lots of other peeps you can chat with here. The way I see it is that enigma and reefs (and others) aren't so much interested in making life more comfortable or improving things but helping you go out beyond good vs bad, broken vs fixed etc. This can be a profoundly uncomfortable process, and it can be wrongly seen as harsh, especially when no quarter is given. Maybe it's like the ripping off of a thousand bandaids. Yes it hurts, but you don't leave old bandaids on forever - at some point you see how festy they are and want them off. Maybe it would help to find out what you want and then go from there. Since you've got an interest in Buddhism, maybe some work with a therapist (hakomi might be good) or a mindfulness course (I can recommend MBSR). Honestly I have no idea... but I wish you well in the search. As near as I can tell, earnest.......The deal is they insult me, but I can't insult them -- live by their definitions of words. No one would really know if it was all a big joke and as far as I am concerned right now, it is a big joke, what Enigma, Reefs and Laughter are 'doing' here. I'm 'into' and learning and studying about Buddhism at the moment, which seems identical but with a difference that makes it as different as night n day.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 18:08:14 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such. I've never had a "beef" with you, nor have I asked you to govern yourself. All I did was ask you if you to confirm that you saw no insult in what you said. Instead of answering it, you claimed to not have any idea what I'm talking about, and then proceeded to defend yourself against your own conclusions about what I was talking about, which you clearly did understand, and got yourself in such a tizzy that you want to break off communications with me. You do all this to yourself and it really has nothing to do with me. That's the sort of thing I'm trying to point out. You hurt yourself a lot, and then you blame others. There are two injustices there. The more you talk, the less sense you make to me, so save your breath.
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2014 18:09:30 GMT -5
I have no idea what you're getting at (Enigma & Reefs). I'm being sarcastic at times, but I'm talking straight a lot of the time, too, so I have no idea what your beef could possibly be. You choose not to govern yourselves, and are free to say whatever comes to your mind about whomever disagrees with you, so I don't know why anyone else should feel restricted, if the rules are such. There are lots of people here to talk to, and as a forum, most people choose to chat with those they have at least a modicum of rapport with. Evidently, that's not the case with a lot of people and it's neither here nor there - it just is. So, you don't need to talk to me, when there are lots of other peeps you can chat with here. The way I see it is that enigma and reefs (and others) aren't so much interested in making life more comfortable or improving things but helping you go out beyond good vs bad, broken vs fixed etc. This can be a profoundly uncomfortable process, and it can be wrongly seen as harsh, especially when no quarter is given. Maybe it's like the ripping off of a thousand bandaids. Yes it hurts, but you don't leave old bandaids on forever - at some point you see how festy they are and want them off. Maybe it would help to find out what you want and then go from there. Since you've got an interest in Buddhism, maybe some work with a therapist (hakomi might be good) or a mindfulness course (I can recommend MBSR). Honestly I have no idea... but I wish you well in the search. I would also support the idea of more mindfulness study, which is generally directed at living more consciously.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 18:10:45 GMT -5
I've never had a "beef" with you, nor have I asked you to govern yourself. All I did was ask you if you to confirm that you saw no insult in what you said. Instead of answering it, you claimed to not have any idea what I'm talking about, and then proceeded to defend yourself against your own conclusions about what I was talking about, which you clearly did understand, and got yourself in such a tizzy that you want to break off communications with me. You do all this to yourself and it really has nothing to do with me. That's the sort of thing I'm trying to point out. You hurt yourself a lot, and then you blame others. There are two injustices there. The more you talk, the less sense you make to me, so save your breath. Now, is that a sarcastic post or a talking straight one?
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 18:12:35 GMT -5
The more you talk, the less sense you make to me, so save your breath. Now, is that a sarcastic post or a talking straight one? Omg. How could anybody turn that into sarcasm is beyond me. Does that answer yer question.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 18:17:15 GMT -5
Now, is that a sarcastic post or a talking straight one? Omg. How could anybody turn that into sarcasm is beyond me. Does that answer yer question. Well it looks like sarcasm to me. You clearly do know what he has said though your itching for a build-up to a pre-Christmas showdown as the pre-Thanksgiving showdown played out. Aren't you?
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2014 18:17:55 GMT -5
The way I see it is that enigma and reefs (and others) aren't so much interested in making life more comfortable or improving things but helping you go out beyond good vs bad, broken vs fixed etc. This can be a profoundly uncomfortable process, and it can be wrongly seen as harsh, especially when no quarter is given. Maybe it's like the ripping off of a thousand bandaids. Yes it hurts, but you don't leave old bandaids on forever - at some point you see how festy they are and want them off. Maybe it would help to find out what you want and then go from there. Since you've got an interest in Buddhism, maybe some work with a therapist (hakomi might be good) or a mindfulness course (I can recommend MBSR). Honestly I have no idea... but I wish you well in the search. As near as I can tell, earnest.......The deal is they insult me, but I can't insult them -- live by their definitions of words. There's sometimes a slight shock when I read a post of yours directed to me that is not an insult, cuz it doesn't happen very often. It's okay, I'm a big boy and I've never told you not to do that. I'm not sure what you're saying Buddhism seems identical to, maybe nonduality? In any case, the work you're doing on this forum really has nothing to do with either, though it can prepare you for both.
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2014 18:19:18 GMT -5
I've never had a "beef" with you, nor have I asked you to govern yourself. All I did was ask you if you to confirm that you saw no insult in what you said. Instead of answering it, you claimed to not have any idea what I'm talking about, and then proceeded to defend yourself against your own conclusions about what I was talking about, which you clearly did understand, and got yourself in such a tizzy that you want to break off communications with me. You do all this to yourself and it really has nothing to do with me. That's the sort of thing I'm trying to point out. You hurt yourself a lot, and then you blame others. There are two injustices there. The more you talk, the less sense you make to me, so save your breath. I don't believe you.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 18:21:29 GMT -5
Omg. How could anybody turn that into sarcasm is beyond me. Does that answer yer question. Well it looks like sarcasm to me. You clearly do know what he has said though your itching for a build-up to a pre-Christmas showdown as the pre-Thanksgiving showdown played out. Aren't you? What does it take to get through to some of you that I don't want or need to talk to whomever I don't want to talk to. It is what it is to you and it is what it is to me. I'm not sure you could see anything as non-sarcastic if it didn't fit your template. I don't want to argue any points with you or anybody else.
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