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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 17, 2014 10:50:32 GMT -5
I've been keeping an eye on the What's real and what's illusion thread in the GSD section. I figured it would eventually devolve into personal stuff, so, I made a place for that here.......for anyone who feels the need........
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 12:50:33 GMT -5
Thanks, sdp...you're a scholar and a gentleman.
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 13:04:10 GMT -5
Reefs sez: My observations and theory: Personalities are like snowflakes - wonderfully refreshing and no two are alike. A whole lot of dramatic things have happened to me between the time I joined ST.org and now, which certainly explains some 'changes' in outlook and stuff. You seem to have some sort of perhaps rigid expectations of someone who comes to 'see' stuff re; non-duality the way you do - perhaps unrealistically so. It appears to me as though my 'clear moments' are ones where I never contradict you, E & L about anything. I think I can safely say that what you're referring to as those 'clear moments' are the times where I had what I thought was a complete understanding of your pointers -- apparently, I did not have a complete understanding; hence, the changes, and I don't realistically expect a life of non-changes because life changes for everyone in some way or other. So, I'm scratching my head, wondering how you have some sort of view about non-duality that is as immoveable and unchanging as anything in existence. I can't help but wonder about that. I can't help but wonder, too, about yours and E's and L's desire to put out the mind hooks, as it were...I wonder about that and what purpose it has for you, collectively and individually. I've more wonderings, but that's enough for now.
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2014 18:53:02 GMT -5
Reefs sez: My observations and theory: Personalities are like snowflakes - wonderfully refreshing and no two are alike. A whole lot of dramatic things have happened to me between the time I joined ST.org and now, which certainly explains some 'changes' in outlook and stuff. You seem to have some sort of perhaps rigid expectations of someone who comes to 'see' stuff re; non-duality the way you do - perhaps unrealistically so. It appears to me as though my 'clear moments' are ones where I never contradict you, E & L about anything. I think I can safely say that what you're referring to as those 'clear moments' are the times where I had what I thought was a complete understanding of your pointers -- apparently, I did not have a complete understanding; hence, the changes, and I don't realistically expect a life of non-changes because life changes for everyone in some way or other. So, I'm scratching my head, wondering how you have some sort of view about non-duality that is as immoveable and unchanging as anything in existence. I can't help but wonder about that. I can't help but wonder, too, about yours and E's and L's desire to put out the mind hooks, as it were...I wonder about that and what purpose it has for you, collectively and individually.
I've more wonderings, but that's enough for now. You'll just continue wondering until you decide on a reason, assuming you haven't already, because no matter how many times it's explained to you, you pay no attention.
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 19:03:21 GMT -5
Reefs sez: My observations and theory: Personalities are like snowflakes - wonderfully refreshing and no two are alike. A whole lot of dramatic things have happened to me between the time I joined ST.org and now, which certainly explains some 'changes' in outlook and stuff. You seem to have some sort of perhaps rigid expectations of someone who comes to 'see' stuff re; non-duality the way you do - perhaps unrealistically so. It appears to me as though my 'clear moments' are ones where I never contradict you, E & L about anything. I think I can safely say that what you're referring to as those 'clear moments' are the times where I had what I thought was a complete understanding of your pointers -- apparently, I did not have a complete understanding; hence, the changes, and I don't realistically expect a life of non-changes because life changes for everyone in some way or other. So, I'm scratching my head, wondering how you have some sort of view about non-duality that is as immoveable and unchanging as anything in existence. I can't help but wonder about that. I can't help but wonder, too, about yours and E's and L's desire to put out the mind hooks, as it were...I wonder about that and what purpose it has for you, collectively and individually.
I've more wonderings, but that's enough for now. You'll just continue wondering until you decide on a reason, assuming you haven't already, because no matter how many times it's explained to you, you pay no attention. I wonder why it is you seem to revel in ignoring what I'm trying to get across and then make hugely assumptive suppositions about others. It must be a great pleasure to draw people in and then hold then at arm's length. I think it's sick.
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2014 19:48:48 GMT -5
You'll just continue wondering until you decide on a reason, assuming you haven't already, because no matter how many times it's explained to you, you pay no attention. I wonder why it is you seem to revel in ignoring what I'm trying to get across and then make hugely assumptive suppositions about others. It must be a great pleasure to draw people in and then hold then at arm's length. I think it's sick. I don't see where that has anything to do with me. I still remember when I was first able to see the ugliness of how some others view me in their ignorance. It was shocking, and it still is, but I've come to see that the ugliness I see through their eyes is something they take as quite common, and even normal in their own lives. It does, however, make me want to keep my distance.
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 19:54:48 GMT -5
I wonder why it is you seem to revel in ignoring what I'm trying to get across and then make hugely assumptive suppositions about others. It must be a great pleasure to draw people in and then hold then at arm's length. I think it's sick. I don't see where that has anything to do with me. I still remember when I was first able to see the ugliness of how some others view me in their ignorance. It was shocking, and it still is, but I've come to see that the ugliness I see through their eyes is something they take as quite common, and even normal in their own lives. It does, however, make me want to keep my distance. Why is it 'ugly'? Everybody has some foibles - I thought we weren't supposed to judge them for it. Why on earth would it be shocking if it happens all the time? You're judging others, why should it be a big surprise when you believe you're being judged? Isn't that life? You sound kinda victimish to me.
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2014 20:07:44 GMT -5
I don't see where that has anything to do with me. I still remember when I was first able to see the ugliness of how some others view me in their ignorance. It was shocking, and it still is, but I've come to see that the ugliness I see through their eyes is something they take as quite common, and even normal in their own lives. It does, however, make me want to keep my distance. Why is it 'ugly'? Everybody has some foibles.Why on earth would it be shocking if it happens all the time? That's the attitude I refer to when I say that ugliness is considered normal in the eyes of that perceiver. And that's what I mean by the perception of ugliness. I'm not surprised anymore so much as repulsed, just as you would be by whatever you consider ugly. It's a halloween mask; a false image worn by timeless beauty and innocent purity, and that's why it repels.
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 20:31:42 GMT -5
Why is it 'ugly'? Everybody has some foibles.Why on earth would it be shocking if it happens all the time? That's the attitude I refer to when I say that ugliness is considered normal in the eyes of that perceiver. And that's what I mean by the perception of ugliness. I'm not surprised anymore so much as repulsed, just as you would be by whatever you consider ugly. It's a halloween mask; a false image worn by timeless beauty and innocent purity, and that's why it repels. Okay well, here's my problem: Your responses are often like this, in that they just seem to turn what the other person said inside-out, so I don't know what to make of it -- it could be mocking -- it could be a mindless sort of meaningless response. I figure if it doesn't come naturally, leave it (like that song). *shrug*
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2014 20:39:46 GMT -5
That's the attitude I refer to when I say that ugliness is considered normal in the eyes of that perceiver. And that's what I mean by the perception of ugliness. I'm not surprised anymore so much as repulsed, just as you would be by whatever you consider ugly. It's a halloween mask; a false image worn by timeless beauty and innocent purity, and that's why it repels. Okay well, here's my problem: Your responses are often like this, in that they just seem to turn what the other person said inside-out, so I don't know what to make of it -- it could be mocking -- it could be a mindless sort of meaningless response. I figure if it doesn't come naturally, leave it (like that song). *shrug*Some things need to be turned 'inside out'.
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 20:57:24 GMT -5
Okay well, here's my problem: Your responses are often like this, in that they just seem to turn what the other person said inside-out, so I don't know what to make of it -- it could be mocking -- it could be a mindless sort of meaningless response. I figure if it doesn't come naturally, leave it (like that song). *shrug*Some things need to be turned 'inside out'. But, too often it's just nonsensical. I sense there's this pride thing going on - Undue pride between two persons is just silly and I am trying to understand you, but it all becomes too magical mystery tour for me to accept 100% of what you're saying.
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Post by enigma on Dec 17, 2014 21:05:51 GMT -5
Some things need to be turned 'inside out'. But, too often it's just nonsensical. I sense there's this pride thing going on - Undue pride between two persons is just silly and I am trying to understand you, but it all becomes too magical mystery tour for me to accept 100% of what you're saying. Yes, nonsensical is a perception we both share.
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 21:24:48 GMT -5
But, too often it's just nonsensical. I sense there's this pride thing going on - Undue pride between two persons is just silly and I am trying to understand you, but it all becomes too magical mystery tour for me to accept 100% of what you're saying. Yes, nonsensical is a perception we both share. Well, good.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 17, 2014 22:20:30 GMT -5
Reefs sez: My observations and theory: Personalities are like snowflakes - wonderfully refreshing and no two are alike. A whole lot of dramatic things have happened to me between the time I joined ST.org and now, which certainly explains some 'changes' in outlook and stuff. You seem to have some sort of perhaps rigid expectations of someone who comes to 'see' stuff re; non-duality the way you do - perhaps unrealistically so. It appears to me as though my 'clear moments' are ones where I never contradict you, E & L about anything. I think I can safely say that what you're referring to as those 'clear moments' are the times where I had what I thought was a complete understanding of your pointers -- apparently, I did not have a complete understanding; hence, the changes, and I don't realistically expect a life of non-changes because life changes for everyone in some way or other. So, I'm scratching my head, wondering how you have some sort of view about non-duality that is as immoveable and unchanging as anything in existence. I can't help but wonder about that. I can't help but wonder, too, about yours and E's and L's desire to put out the mind hooks, as it were...I wonder about that and what purpose it has for you, collectively and individually. I've more wonderings, but that's enough for now. No, "we are back to silvering", quoth I. I am referring to those moments when you noticed your own silliness, the brainless drama creation aka silvering. It's clear that you didn't understand the non-dual pointers when you signed up and that you still don't understand them. I have no illusions about that.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 17, 2014 22:22:22 GMT -5
Reefs sez: My observations and theory: Personalities are like snowflakes - wonderfully refreshing and no two are alike. A whole lot of dramatic things have happened to me between the time I joined ST.org and now, which certainly explains some 'changes' in outlook and stuff. You seem to have some sort of perhaps rigid expectations of someone who comes to 'see' stuff re; non-duality the way you do - perhaps unrealistically so. It appears to me as though my 'clear moments' are ones where I never contradict you, E & L about anything. I think I can safely say that what you're referring to as those 'clear moments' are the times where I had what I thought was a complete understanding of your pointers -- apparently, I did not have a complete understanding; hence, the changes, and I don't realistically expect a life of non-changes because life changes for everyone in some way or other. So, I'm scratching my head, wondering how you have some sort of view about non-duality that is as immoveable and unchanging as anything in existence. I can't help but wonder about that. I can't help but wonder, too, about yours and E's and L's desire to put out the mind hooks, as it were...I wonder about that and what purpose it has for you, collectively and individually.
I've more wonderings, but that's enough for now. You'll just continue wondering until you decide on a reason, assuming you haven't already, because no matter how many times it's explained to you, you pay no attention. Zackly, that's a distinct Fingandtzusil feature.
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