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Post by laughter on Jul 24, 2014 20:33:15 GMT -5
Guy Pearce plays the main character, don't recall his name. Lenny. The archetypes embodied are Christ, fool, avenger and even unwitting hero and the best line of dialog by far is "I can't remember to forget you ...". For me one of the major existential theme was the hijacking of conditioning: both how conditioning hijacks the man and how a man's conditioning can be used to hijack him.
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Post by runstill on Jul 24, 2014 22:58:34 GMT -5
From the Nisargadatta Gita: 30. You must not only have the conviction that 'I am' but also that you are free from the 'I am'.Clearly you can envisage two steps in the process of self-discovery, the first one being the understanding of the knowledge 'I am' and abiding in it. You must develop the strong conviction that 'you are' and stay there. What will happen then? By and by as you abide in the 'I am' the second step will be to realize that you stand apart from the 'I am', you are free from it! You are not the 'I am' but its witness. Thus abidance in the 'I am' and its transcendence is the key to the whole 'Sadhana' (practice). What is "the I am', and how many toes do you figure it has? If 'I am' means "you are", then there is nothing to witness or to stand apart from or to be free from. You can never not exist , so where does that leave one ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 0:02:14 GMT -5
What is "the I am', and how many toes do you figure it has? If 'I am' means "you are", then there is nothing to witness or to stand apart from or to be free from. You can never not exist , so where does that leave one ? right here toes an all.
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Post by enigma on Jul 25, 2014 0:03:13 GMT -5
What is "the I am', and how many toes do you figure it has? If 'I am' means "you are", then there is nothing to witness or to stand apart from or to be free from. Niz: "Prior to birth where was the 'I am'? Don't contaminate the 'I am' with the body idea, I as the Absolute am not the 'I am'" "The Absolute" is as misconceived as "the I am" or "the oneness". This is what we need to take an ax to, but it's not necessary if we don't create these 'objects' to begin with.
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Post by enigma on Jul 25, 2014 0:13:21 GMT -5
What is "the I am', and how many toes do you figure it has? If 'I am' means "you are", then there is nothing to witness or to stand apart from or to be free from. You can never not exist , so where does that leave one ? Right. You can never not exist, so good luck taking an ax to your sense of I am.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 0:46:09 GMT -5
You can never not exist , so where does that leave one ? Right. You can never not exist, so good luck taking an ax to your sense of I am. steel capped boots are advised.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 2:23:17 GMT -5
You can never not exist , so where does that leave one ? Right. You can never not exist, so good luck taking an ax to your sense of I am. yeah what's the deal with axing the "I AM" or whatever? Sounds like some kind of penance or something. I was reading Niz the other day and I realised how little of it made sense to me.
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Post by enigma on Jul 25, 2014 3:05:40 GMT -5
Right. You can never not exist, so good luck taking an ax to your sense of I am. yeah what's the deal with axing the "I AM" or whatever? Sounds like some kind of penance or something. I was reading Niz the other day and I realised how little of it made sense to me. I like Niz, and seem to agree with pretty much all of it, but I'm not inclined to bend over backwards to make sense out of nonsense just because he was a beloved teacher.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 3:58:52 GMT -5
You can never not exist , so where does that leave one ? Right. You can never not exist, so good luck taking an ax to your sense of I am. It occurred to me that one more reading of the axe quote would be to test it. Try and neti neti that sucker.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 25, 2014 5:21:37 GMT -5
Rather that parroting the words of others, and building theoretical mountains that you can conquer or conceptual trees that you can ax, why not share our own experiences, and look for the common understanding?.. why not explore our own authenticity, rather than returning to someone else's?
I suggest understanding what is actually happening, rather than trying to fit your experience of the happening into someone else's description of their experience.. find your own clarity, rather than attaching to someone else's.. explore your current experience of existence, rather than someone else's past experiences..
Take an ax to the attachment/dependence on the perspectives of others as the lens through which you see your own existence.. get real, and set yourself free..
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 25, 2014 6:25:27 GMT -5
Niz: "Prior to birth where was the 'I am'? Don't contaminate the 'I am' with the body idea, I as the Absolute am not the 'I am'" "The Absolute" is as misconceived as "the I am" or "the oneness". This is what we need to take an ax to, but it's not necessary if we don't create these 'objects' to begin with. Perhaps. Or then again, perhaps what Niz and ZD point to is beyond your current level of experience and understanding. Nothing wrong with that. People who had never been to the Ocean couldn't be expected to understand that the world was actually round. Keep an open mind is all I can say.
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Post by sunshine on Jul 25, 2014 6:25:55 GMT -5
your ´´own´´ experience...as if such a thing exists..lol
okay, sir, we can agree at least on one thing...: THE WORLD IS FLAT--evrybody can see that,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:51:54 GMT -5
Rather that parroting the words of others, and building theoretical mountains that you can conquer or conceptual trees that you can ax, why not share our own experiences, and look for the common understanding?.. why not explore our own authenticity, rather than returning to someone else's? I suggest understanding what is actually happening, rather than trying to fit your experience of the happening into someone else's description of their experience.. find your own clarity, rather than attaching to someone else's.. explore your current experience of existence, rather than someone else's past experiences.. Take an ax to the attachment/dependence on the perspectives of others as the lens through which you see your own existence.. get real, and set yourself free.. Sure whatever you say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:54:09 GMT -5
Niz: "Prior to birth where was the 'I am'? Don't contaminate the 'I am' with the body idea, I as the Absolute am not the 'I am'" "The Absolute" is as misconceived as "the I am" or "the oneness". This is what we need to take an ax to, but it's not necessary if we don't create these 'objects' to begin with. Then it's moot, no problem. The ax thingy reminds me of the admonition about the concept of emptiness being empty itself, lest one become an emptiness junky unable to appreciate the mountain and rivers.
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Post by enigma on Jul 25, 2014 8:58:57 GMT -5
Right. You can never not exist, so good luck taking an ax to your sense of I am. It occurred to me that one more reading of the axe quote would be to test it. Try and neti neti that sucker. Too much thinking about that which is self evident may result in illusion. That's why some folks don't know that they exist.
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