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Post by zendancer on Jul 14, 2014 12:13:52 GMT -5
SDP: After checking Amazon I discovered that there is more than one "Hazy Moon" book--that my book and the one you mentioned are two different books that are part of a series of books on the subject of Zen practice. Thanks again.
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Jul 14, 2014 21:56:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 21:56:50 GMT -5
'Coming back to Normal' simply shows that the person prefers past~tense living rather than present~moment living.(eternal) Past~tense always reigns supreme over the self with its up-to-date current collection of intellectual~knowledge which it uses (in an effort) to show others that it has got-it-together when in reality it is just that same old ghost that rises up and then settles down: That Moving Center. When an individual experiences momentary~high~mindedness (available to all) they will inevitably awaken to the fact that they are still in their mind separate from others. Creative Intelligence lives life in the moment. It's the individual sense of a self (that which is trying to Work things-out) which keeps one out of the moment and stuck fast in the realm of duality. (thinker and thought) Life is for the Living. Be Life. Self/no-self.. thinker/thought.. isness/is-notness.. one/many.. part/whole.. duality/non-duality these are descriptions of experiencable present moment happenings, depending on where the experiencer's attention is placed.. playing one against the other, as if in the choosing to hold one and reject the other the chooser has improved their situation, what happens (see this forum) is conflict.. by accepting both/and rather than either/or, conflict is resolved, and.. by letting go of those stories altogether experiencers can explore what is actually happening without the fierce conflicts over who's right/wrong.. when mind-bound, opposites are always functioning. If there is Left then Right must only be half right.
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Jul 15, 2014 4:51:40 GMT -5
Post by zendancer on Jul 15, 2014 4:51:40 GMT -5
'Coming back to Normal' simply shows that the person prefers past~tense living rather than present~moment living.(eternal) Past~tense always reigns supreme over the self with its up-to-date current collection of intellectual~knowledge which it uses (in an effort) to show others that it has got-it-together when in reality it is just that same old ghost that rises up and then settles down: That Moving Center. When an individual experiences momentary~high~mindedness (available to all) they will inevitably awaken to the fact that they are still in their mind separate from others. Creative Intelligence lives life in the moment. It's the individual sense of a self (that which is trying to Work things-out) which keeps one out of the moment and stuck fast in the realm of duality. (thinker and thought) Life is for the Living. Be Life. Actually, coming back to "normal" does NOT show that one PREFERS past-tense living. In fact, the opposite is the case. Anyone who has experienced Presence has no desire whatsoever to return to the "normal" world of past-and-future tense living that most people inhabit, but one has no choice in the matter. Reality unfolds however it unfolds. At that time I would have given anything I had to return to Presence if I had known how to do it, but I was still asleep to the underlying issue. The body/mind was subsequently driven by the Source that drives everything else to understand what had happened and to find a way back to that world. It took fifteen more years before it was realized that I was not who I thought I was and that Presence is always present. The "normal world" and "paradise" are both cognitive illusions.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 15, 2014 5:23:44 GMT -5
Self/no-self.. thinker/thought.. isness/is-notness.. one/many.. part/whole.. duality/non-duality these are descriptions of experiencable present moment happenings, depending on where the experiencer's attention is placed.. playing one against the other, as if in the choosing to hold one and reject the other the chooser has improved their situation, what happens (see this forum) is conflict.. by accepting both/and rather than either/or, conflict is resolved, and.. by letting go of those stories altogether experiencers can explore what is actually happening without the fierce conflicts over who's right/wrong.. when mind-bound, opposites are always functioning. If there is Left then Right must only be half right. There is what is observed/experienced.. but most people believe that what they 'think' is what is real.. One can think it's duality or non-duality it is neither.. it 'is' itself being itself Through me through you as me as you experiencing its own existence.. Grand stories are told illusions are sold saying do this don't do that 'cause "I" have the truth people want to show what they think they know then they say it must be 'my way' or the high way Let it be what it is just look and see no words from Niz change what it is find your own words rather than joining the i'm right herds
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Jul 15, 2014 7:15:50 GMT -5
Post by zendancer on Jul 15, 2014 7:15:50 GMT -5
when mind-bound, opposites are always functioning. If there is Left then Right must only be half right. There is what is observed/experienced.. but most people believe that what they 'think' is what is real.. One can think it's duality or non-duality it is neither.. it 'is' itself being itself Through me through you as me as you experiencing its own existence.. Grand stories are told illusions are sold saying do this don't do that 'cause "I" have the truth people want to show what they think they know then they say it must be 'my way' or the high way Let it be what it is just look and see no words from Niz change what it is find your own words rather than joining the i'm right herds Nice poem, and I think that's what most people on this forum are pointing to.
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Jul 15, 2014 8:23:27 GMT -5
Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 15, 2014 8:23:27 GMT -5
SDP: After checking Amazon I discovered that there is more than one "Hazy Moon" book--that my book and the one you mentioned are two different books that are part of a series of books on the subject of Zen practice. Thanks again. Hey zd. Editor's Preface to the Revised Edition (2007) ............The final section of this expanded edition is An Experience of Enlightenment by Flora Eko Courtois. ........Upon her death in 2000, she left the copyright of her book to the Zen Center of Los Angeles. ........This reissuing of her memoir fulfills our promise to her to republish this work. pg xv Following her account is five pages by Hakuun Yasutani. It is not clear if this is in the original book or not, I suppose it could be the preface to the original book. I will quote in part. In the summer of 1968 Courtois drove Hakuun Yasutani, along with some others, to the Zen Mountain Center at Tassajara, Calif. Some days after the trip she called HY wishing to discuss with him her original experience. They met "for well over an hour". "I had carefully watched and observed her as she spoke. .......Listening to her talk, I instinctively felt that to test her experience was unnecessary. That experience she had had twenty-five years ago was still vividly alive today. Immediately I verified that her experience was a very clear kensho. At the same time, I recommended to her that she practice shikantaza with diligence (a pure intense specific form of just sitting, note sdp). .........Further, a first awakening is only the beginning of discovering the Original Self. To deepen and clarify it, to establish its full function in everyday life, requires never-ending practice". pages 137-140 Following the discussion, Hakuun Yasutani asked Courtois to write an account of her experience, this became the book An Experience of Enlightenment. sdp
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Jul 15, 2014 8:48:08 GMT -5
Post by silver on Jul 15, 2014 8:48:08 GMT -5
There is what is observed/experienced.. but most people believe that what they 'think' is what is real.. One can think it's duality or non-duality it is neither.. it 'is' itself being itself Through me through you as me as you experiencing its own existence.. Grand stories are told illusions are sold saying do this don't do that 'cause "I" have the truth people want to show what they think they know then they say it must be 'my way' or the high way Let it be what it is just look and see no words from Niz change what it is find your own words rather than joining the i'm right herds Nice poem, and I think that's what most people on this forum are pointing to. Zendancer, when are you gonna get a kuhl avatar so I know who it is even if I scroll fast? You need a nice little picture, maybe like a tree of some sort or a mountain and a tree?
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Jul 15, 2014 9:14:41 GMT -5
Post by zendancer on Jul 15, 2014 9:14:41 GMT -5
Silver: As a Luddite, I wouldn't even know how to find an avatar, or select a photo, much less how to attach such a thing to my posts. Everyone kids me about not having a smart phone, but I figure those kinds of phones are for smart people who can remember what to do with them. I don't think my cellphone can even send a text message, but I'm too lazy to find out. It receives text messages all the time, but I don't even know how to view them. ha ha. I just get these little notices every day stating that I have 20 unread text messages.
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Jul 15, 2014 23:30:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 23:30:49 GMT -5
'Coming back to Normal' simply shows that the person prefers past~tense living rather than present~moment living.(eternal) Past~tense always reigns supreme over the self with its up-to-date current collection of intellectual~knowledge which it uses (in an effort) to show others that it has got-it-together when in reality it is just that same old ghost that rises up and then settles down: That Moving Center. When an individual experiences momentary~high~mindedness (available to all) they will inevitably awaken to the fact that they are still in their mind separate from others. Creative Intelligence lives life in the moment. It's the individual sense of a self (that which is trying to Work things-out) which keeps one out of the moment and stuck fast in the realm of duality. (thinker and thought) Life is for the Living. Be Life. Actually, coming back to "normal" does NOT show that one PREFERS past-tense living. In fact, the opposite is the case. Anyone who has experienced Presence has no desire whatsoever to return to the "normal" world of past-and-future tense living that most people inhabit, but one has no choice in the matter. Reality unfolds however it unfolds. At that time I would have given anything I had to return to Presence if I had known how to do it, but I was still asleep to the underlying issue. The body/mind was subsequently driven by the Source that drives everything else to understand what had happened and to find a way back to that world. It took fifteen more years before it was realized that I was not who I thought I was and that Presence is always present. The "normal world" and "paradise" are both cognitive illusions. So you are no-longer back to NORMAL?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 23:33:39 GMT -5
when mind-bound, opposites are always functioning. If there is Left then Right must only be half right. There is what is observed/experienced.. but most people believe that what they 'think' is what is real.. One can think it's duality or non-duality it is neither.. it 'is' itself being itself Through me through you as me as you experiencing its own existence.. Grand stories are told illusions are sold saying do this don't do that 'cause "I" have the truth people want to show what they think they know then they say it must be 'my way' or the high way Let it be what it is just look and see no words from Niz change what it is find your own words rather than joining the i'm right herds each person fabricates what they consider reality is not being Real Themselves. Therefore, so many realities and such confusion is due to ones clarity of mind as it is mind that deludes.
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Jul 16, 2014 4:12:24 GMT -5
Post by zendancer on Jul 16, 2014 4:12:24 GMT -5
Actually, coming back to "normal" does NOT show that one PREFERS past-tense living. In fact, the opposite is the case. Anyone who has experienced Presence has no desire whatsoever to return to the "normal" world of past-and-future tense living that most people inhabit, but one has no choice in the matter. Reality unfolds however it unfolds. At that time I would have given anything I had to return to Presence if I had known how to do it, but I was still asleep to the underlying issue. The body/mind was subsequently driven by the Source that drives everything else to understand what had happened and to find a way back to that world. It took fifteen more years before it was realized that I was not who I thought I was and that Presence is always present. The "normal world" and "paradise" are both cognitive illusions. So you are no-longer back to NORMAL? Going anywhere or coming back from anywhere are other cognitive illusions. What I am does not come or go. How about you?
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Jul 16, 2014 5:16:52 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Jul 16, 2014 5:16:52 GMT -5
So you are no-longer back to NORMAL? Going anywhere or coming back from anywhere are other cognitive illusions. What I am does not come or go. How about you? That is an adventure beyond 'I AM', the still mind acknowledges that it 'IS', because it experiences others ISing, too.. in the same way you state what you think 'you' are, then ask someone other than 'you' what that person thinks they are.. What "I AM" comes and goes, yet remains the same, inclusive, not exclusive.. when it is realized that I AM 'all' of the happening, the 'part' that realizes this lets go of exclusive ideologies..
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Jul 16, 2014 5:19:06 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Jul 16, 2014 5:19:06 GMT -5
So you are no-longer back to NORMAL? Going anywhere or coming back from anywhere are other cognitive illusions. What I am does not come or go. How about you? We are traveling to where we have always been, from ignorance to enlightenment.. awareness is the vehicle..
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Jul 16, 2014 5:23:26 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Jul 16, 2014 5:23:26 GMT -5
There is what is observed/experienced.. but most people believe that what they 'think' is what is real.. One can think it's duality or non-duality it is neither.. it 'is' itself being itself Through me through you as me as you experiencing its own existence.. Grand stories are told illusions are sold saying do this don't do that 'cause "I" have the truth people want to show what they think they know then they say it must be 'my way' or the high way Let it be what it is just look and see no words from Niz change what it is find your own words rather than joining the i'm right herds Nice poem, and I think that's what most people on this forum are pointing to. Do you notice that some people on the forum insist that a particular language be used to point to the same thing, sometimes violently objecting to language inconsistent with the preferred words/thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 6:59:12 GMT -5
So you are no-longer back to NORMAL? Going anywhere or coming back from anywhere are other cognitive illusions. What I am does not come or go. How about you? nothing is fixed at all. Everything is constantly changing cept me.
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