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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 9:09:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I do recall the events, and i'm not interested in negotiating for your involvement in a discussion.. if you are interested is a discussion, great, if you want to play teacher and quiz people, do that with someone else.. why not stop playing games and offer authentic discussion, discussion where you aren't trying to establish dominance through negotiation.. I know the history of the 'split', the NATs, and the forum's former claim of its intended agenda, my interest is in where the forum is headed.. you are doing an admirable job avoiding the issues and protecting your alliances, but that's all just attachment to beliefs and the past, creating illusions.. you're blurring the lines between moderator and dictator.. It is disingenuous to move posts from the moderated section to the unmoderated section for the purposes of attacking the messenger or the message, while claiming to protect people from attack.. Be well.. You indicated that I created the Unmoderated section. Is that what happened? Do you remember the events or not?Asked and answered, beyond which i will not be interrogated. Are you stating, for the record, that you had no involvement with Peter and ZD in discussions leading up to the decision to create a bully section? Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2014 11:21:27 GMT -5
Greetings.. You indicated that I created the Unmoderated section. Is that what happened? Do you remember the events or not?Asked and answered, beyond which i will not be interrogated. Are you stating, for the record, that you had no involvement with Peter and ZD in discussions leading up to the decision to create a bully section? Be well.. All you've said is you do remember, but everything you write contradicts that. Was I a staff member when the Unmoderated section was created? What was my opinion about the creation of it? |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 11:41:37 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Asked and answered, beyond which i will not be interrogated. Are you stating, for the record, that you had no involvement with Peter and ZD in discussions leading up to the decision to create a bully section? Be well.. All you've said is you do remember, but everything you write contradicts that. Was I a staff member when the Unmoderated section was created? What was my opinion about the creation of it? Did you converse with, or have any discussions with Peter or ZD on the the UM section? Keep in mind, i was there during that debate, i do know your 'stated' position, but.. why don't you hook us up with another wall of quotes, rather than answer the question put to you.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2014 15:03:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. All you've said is you do remember, but everything you write contradicts that. Was I a staff member when the Unmoderated section was created? What was my opinion about the creation of it? Did you converse with, or have any discussions with Peter or ZD on the the UM section? Keep in mind, i was there during that debate, i do know your 'stated' position, but.. why don't you hook us up with another wall of quotes, rather than answer the question put to you.. Be well.. One last time: can you remember those two details or not? |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 15:10:21 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Did you converse with, or have any discussions with Peter or ZD on the the UM section? Keep in mind, i was there during that debate, i do know your 'stated' position, but.. why don't you hook us up with another wall of quotes, rather than answer the question put to you.. Be well.. One last time: can you remember those two details or not? One last time, YES! now, move along counselor.. asked and answered.. as for you, you're still avoiding the question put to you.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2014 15:14:53 GMT -5
Greetings.. One last time: can you remember those two details or not? One last time, YES! now, move along counselor.. asked and answered.. as for you, you're still avoiding the question put to you.. Be well.. No, if you can't answer the questions, I'll just assume that you can't remember. I used to assume that you could tell me the answer but just chose not to. Do you see the difference? |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 15:34:20 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. One last time, YES! now, move along counselor.. asked and answered.. as for you, you're still avoiding the question put to you.. Be well.. No, if you can't answer the questions, I'll just assume that you can't remember. I used to assume that you could tell me the answer but just chose not to. Do you see the difference? LOL.. I could link you to the posts where you made your statement of preference, and where Peter set things in motion, but i choose not to, that's all a matter of record.. my question to you requires honesty about matters we cannot know, did you or did you not have non-public discussions with Peter and ZD about creating the split? Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2014 15:40:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. No, if you can't answer the questions, I'll just assume that you can't remember. I used to assume that you could tell me the answer but just chose not to. Do you see the difference? LOL.. I could link you to the posts where you made your statement of preference, and where Peter set things in motion, but i choose not to, that's all a matter of record.. my question to you requires honesty about matters we cannot know, did you or did you not have non-public discussions with Peter and ZD about creating the split? Be well.. To be honest, I beginning to question whether or not you're really capable of the discussions that I've been engaging you in previously. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 15:58:12 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. LOL.. I could link you to the posts where you made your statement of preference, and where Peter set things in motion, but i choose not to, that's all a matter of record.. my question to you requires honesty about matters we cannot know, did you or did you not have non-public discussions with Peter and ZD about creating the split? Be well.. To be honest, I beginning to question whether or not you're really capable of the discussions that I've been engaging you in previously. No you're not, but that's the illusion you will use to avoid answering the questions you fear.. This is just a game to you, and i have grown tired of playing.. it's all about the drama for you, no substance.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2014 16:01:17 GMT -5
Greetings.. To be honest, I beginning to question whether or not you're really capable of the discussions that I've been engaging you in previously. No you're not, but that's the illusion you will use to avoid answering the questions you fear.. This is just a game to you, and i have grown tired of playing.. it's all about the drama for you, no substance.. Be well.. No, I'm completely in earnest here. If you can't remember simple details then that's going to be a fact that informs the conversation. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 16:25:32 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. No you're not, but that's the illusion you will use to avoid answering the questions you fear.. This is just a game to you, and i have grown tired of playing.. it's all about the drama for you, no substance.. Be well.. No, I'm completely in earnest here. If you can't remember simple details then that's going to be a fact that informs the conversation. Bill, get over it.. discuss or don't, but the games are childish.. no, i won't make your argument for you.. you're not earnest, and we both know what's actually happening here, you're painting another of your grand murals.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2014 16:29:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. No, I'm completely in earnest here. If you can't remember simple details then that's going to be a fact that informs the conversation. Bill, get over it.. discuss or don't, but the games are childish.. no, i won't make your argument for you.. you're not earnest, and we both know what's actually happening here, you're painting another of your grand murals.. Be well.. Oh, so you're saying that you know the answer to the questions but don't want to state them, because ... why exactly? The answers are the answers. They're just simple facts. You either can state the simple facts or you can't. Now if you can state the simple facts and you won't that means that you're being deceptive. If you can't remember then there's no issue of accountability, on the other hand, if you can remember but refuse to state what the simple facts are because they don't line up with this story that "laffy created a bully zone", then there is an issue of accountability because you're playing games. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 16:45:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Bill, get over it.. discuss or don't, but the games are childish.. no, i won't make your argument for you.. you're not earnest, and we both know what's actually happening here, you're painting another of your grand murals.. Be well.. Oh, so you're saying that you know the answer to the questions but don't want to state them, because ... why exactly? The answers are the answers. They're just simple facts. You either can state the simple facts or you can't. Now if you can state the simple facts and you won't that means that you're being deceptive. If you can't remember then there's no issue of accountability, on the other hand, if you can remember but refuse to state what the simple facts are because they don't line up with this story that "laffy created a bully zone", then there is an issue of accountability because you're playing games. LOL.. no, Bill.. it means i'm not being manipulated by your games.. the answers are a matter of record, i know the answers, and no i'm not going to post them.. that's the manipulation 'you want', and it won't happen.. there's no meaning other than that. there's no need for me to answer what the record reveals, you're trying to manipulate a result, and it won't happen.. this isn't my first rodeo, kiddo.. Did you, or did you not conspire with Peter and ZD in the creation of the 'split'.. it's okay, you can lie and we won't know, or.. why not just answer the question honestly, rather than try to play games? Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2014 17:19:34 GMT -5
Greetings.. Oh, so you're saying that you know the answer to the questions but don't want to state them, because ... why exactly? The answers are the answers. They're just simple facts. You either can state the simple facts or you can't. Now if you can state the simple facts and you won't that means that you're being deceptive. If you can't remember then there's no issue of accountability, on the other hand, if you can remember but refuse to state what the simple facts are because they don't line up with this story that "laffy created a bully zone", then there is an issue of accountability because you're playing games. i know the answers, and no i'm not going to post them.. that's the manipulation 'you want', and it won't happen.. there's no meaning other than that. there's no need for me to answer what the record reveals, you're trying to manipulate a result, and it won't happen.. this isn't my first rodeo, kiddo..
Did you, or did you not conspire with Peter and ZD in the creation of the 'split'.. it's okay, you can lie and we won't know, or.. why not just answer the question honestly, rather than try to play games?
Be well..This obviously indicates otherwise: did you create the unmoderated section to allow for a certain group to use certain aggressive tactics to advance the forum's sanctioned agenda? ... on one hand, maybe you really can't remember, but on the other hand you do sometimes write with apparent lucidity. If you were aware of the simple facts embodied by the answers to the question ("was I on staff at the time of the split, and what was my position on it?") then you wrote what you wrote as a form of deception. Until we get past this point -- can you remember or are you deliberately lying? -- then there's no reason for me to be responsive to you. If you're responsive with me, I'll be responsive with you. And btw --- this is an example of avoidance -- you're avoiding this question of whether you either can't remember or are being deceitful, and those characterizations aren't presuppositions, they are, based on your own words, actually what's in the conversation. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 26, 2014 19:37:13 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. ]LOL.. no, Bill.. it means i'm not being manipulated by your games.. the answers are a matter of record, i know the answers, and no i'm not going to post them.. that's the manipulation 'you want', and it won't happen.. there's no meaning other than that. there's no need for me to answer what the record reveals, you're trying to manipulate a result, and it won't happen.. this isn't my first rodeo, kiddo..
Did you, or did you not conspire with Peter and ZD in the creation of the 'split'.. it's okay, you can lie and we won't know, or.. why not just answer the question honestly, rather than try to play games?
Be well..This obviously indicates otherwise: did you create the unmoderated section to allow for a certain group to use certain aggressive tactics to advance the forum's sanctioned agenda? ... on one hand, maybe you really can't remember, but on the other hand you do sometimes write with apparent lucidity. If you were aware of the simple facts embodied by the answers to the question ("was I on staff at the time of the split, and what was my position on it?") then you wrote what you wrote as a form of deception. Until we get past this point -- can you remember or are you deliberately lying? -- then there's no reason for me to be responsive to you. If you're responsive with me, I'll be responsive with you. Please note that i have asked you a question, not accused you.. further, in an attempt to clarify, i asked about your interaction with Peter and ZD.. i am seeking your account of what actually happened, both in public view and as a behind the scenes interaction with staff.. what you are doing, is trying to make this about me, rather than simply answering the question originally put to you.. you are, as usual, painting the picture/illusion you want to use to avoid answering the questions.. You fundamentalists are certainly fond of accusing people of lying, thinking that will put them on the defensive and make it easier to complete your illusions.. this issue has nothing to do with lying, that's your strawman defense AND it's not accurate.. you were asked a question and then tried to create a conditional answer, answer or don't, it reveals just a little more of the conniving manipulations you go through to avoid answering the original question Yes, this IS avoidance.. i am avoiding your manipulation, your intent to create a condition where you appear dominant.. I am not lying, or being deceitful, that is the illusion you are trying to create.. the record speaks for itself, it's plainly visible for all to see.. there's nothing my answer can reveal or clarity that is not already available in the record, and i have answered, on several occasions, that i am aware of the recond and know the answers, and.. no, i will not recite for you.. Please note that i have asked you a question (bolded), not accused you.. further, in an attempt to clarify, i asked about your interaction with Peter and ZD.. i am seeking your account of what actually happened, both in public view and as a behind the scenes interaction with staff.. what you are doing, is trying to make your reluctance to answer honestly, about me, rather than simply answering the question originally put to you.. you are, as usual, painting the picture/illusion you want to use to avoid answering the questions.. Be well.. |
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