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Post by quinn on Jan 30, 2014 5:45:48 GMT -5
Greetings.. I read the first two sentences/questions and thought, "Oh - that's a good point, what is happening then?" and then continued to read and discovered the rest was only about me - we had lost the actual conversation. I've, of course, heard that diatribe towards Enigma and Laughter (over and over and over and over), but I didn't realize that it's on autopilot for everyone. Just needs the right trigger, I guess. What is it that I said that triggered the "you're attached to your story" story that you're so attached to? Read your collective body of posts on this forum, look at the mindscape you carefully cultivate, and.. if you're honest with yourself, your 'story' is fairly obvious.. you've chosen a story about non-volition that is only valid when you apply mind-play and beliefs in conflict with the evidence.. you tell me what is 'true' when the mind is still, and i suggest that if the mind is still there is no 'true'.. There is 'what is actually happening', and.. there are the stories 'about' the happening, about what is true/false, and about the guru illusions.. your 'trigger' is deviating into 'story-land' as if it were 'true'.. i'm not inviting anyone to believe a different story, only to let go of the stories that distort the clarity about what is actually happening.. You say there is no volition, no person behind the happening, i say that's a belief, a story.. there is only what is actually happening, and.. if you are fully present and unconditionally curious about the happening, you will not deviate into story-telling, the actuality trumps all stories/beliefs/attachments.. there is the potential for what is happening to be revealed, but that will not be clear to the experiencer that is shaping that happening into preconceived beliefs.. You say there is no volition, no person behind the happening, i say i'm going to keep paying attention, even though the evidence is overwhelming that there are volitional persons choosing to drive their cars.. i'll keep an open mind, while i acknowledge the evidence.. your 'trigger', is to say that 'your beliefs' about the current version of evidence are 'true'.. your 'trigger' is to say "the only thing experienced" by a 'still mind' is: then you describe 'your' beliefs about 'your' experiences as "ONLY" while there are over 7 billion other experiences happening at the same time.. You believe that 'yours' is the "only" valid version, or those versions that agree with 'you', let that go.. it's amazing to let the happening reveal itself without trying to shape it into the approved story-line.. just pay attention to what's actually happening, and it won't matter if there's a person or volition or not.. Be well.. None of that addressed what I actually said, only what you think you heard. I don't buy that you have a still mind.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 30, 2014 6:27:07 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Read your collective body of posts on this forum, look at the mindscape you carefully cultivate, and.. if you're honest with yourself, your 'story' is fairly obvious.. you've chosen a story about non-volition that is only valid when you apply mind-play and beliefs in conflict with the evidence.. you tell me what is 'true' when the mind is still, and i suggest that if the mind is still there is no 'true'.. There is 'what is actually happening', and.. there are the stories 'about' the happening, about what is true/false, and about the guru illusions.. your 'trigger' is deviating into 'story-land' as if it were 'true'.. i'm not inviting anyone to believe a different story, only to let go of the stories that distort the clarity about what is actually happening.. You say there is no volition, no person behind the happening, i say that's a belief, a story.. there is only what is actually happening, and.. if you are fully present and unconditionally curious about the happening, you will not deviate into story-telling, the actuality trumps all stories/beliefs/attachments.. there is the potential for what is happening to be revealed, but that will not be clear to the experiencer that is shaping that happening into preconceived beliefs.. You say there is no volition, no person behind the happening, i say i'm going to keep paying attention, even though the evidence is overwhelming that there are volitional persons choosing to drive their cars.. i'll keep an open mind, while i acknowledge the evidence.. your 'trigger', is to say that 'your beliefs' about the current version of evidence are 'true'.. your 'trigger' is to say "the only thing experienced" by a 'still mind' is: then you describe 'your' beliefs about 'your' experiences as "ONLY" while there are over 7 billion other experiences happening at the same time.. You believe that 'yours' is the "only" valid version, or those versions that agree with 'you', let that go.. it's amazing to let the happening reveal itself without trying to shape it into the approved story-line.. just pay attention to what's actually happening, and it won't matter if there's a person or volition or not.. Be well.. None of that addressed what I actually said, only what you think you heard. I don't buy that you have a still mind. Great! it's not 'for sale', it's free.. ask yourself, who's talking 'about' what they see/experience/imagine,their active mind's conclusions.. and, who is talking about letting go of those 'beliefs about' what is seen/happening.. stop worrying about what my mind is or isn't.. if you're nearly drowning but you don't like the guy offering you a Life Preserver, do you refuse and drown? you're avoiding the message, and complaining about the messenger, your 'drowning'.. That you have engaged your mind with the advaita trap of 'endlessly talking about' life and how everybody else is unconsciously asleep with no volition, that is your deviation from actually being there.. my post addressed exactly what 'you said', but you're trying to avoid that actuality by 'complaining about' the messenger.. let all of that go, what do you actually see, actually experience.. tell us about your relationship with Life.. Be well..
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Post by acewall on Jan 30, 2014 6:38:34 GMT -5
Greetings.. None of that addressed what I actually said, only what you think you heard. I don't buy that you have a still mind. Great! it's not 'for sale', it's free.. ask yourself, who's talking 'about' what they see/experience/imagine,their active mind's conclusions.. and, who is talking about letting go of those 'beliefs about' what is seen/happening.. stop worrying about what my mind is or isn't.. if you're nearly drowning but you don't like the guy offering you a Life Preserver, do you refuse and drown? you're avoiding the message, and complaining about the messenger, your 'drowning'.. That you have engaged your mind with the advaita trap of 'endlessly talking about' life and how everybody else is unconsciously asleep with no volition, that is your deviation from actually being there.. my post addressed exactly what 'you said', but you're trying to avoid that actuality by 'complaining about' the messenger.. let all of that go, what do you actually see, actually experience.. tell us about your relationship with Life.. Be well.. have someone read your post back to you Mr B Happy. You'd be amazed whose talking about themself.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 30, 2014 6:41:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Read your collective body of posts on this forum, look at the mindscape you carefully cultivate, and.. if you're honest with yourself, your 'story' is fairly obvious.. you've chosen a story about non-volition that is only valid when you apply mind-play and beliefs in conflict with the evidence.. you tell me what is 'true' when the mind is still, and i suggest that if the mind is still there is no 'true'.. There is 'what is actually happening', and.. there are the stories 'about' the happening, about what is true/false, and about the guru illusions.. your 'trigger' is deviating into 'story-land' as if it were 'true'.. i'm not inviting anyone to believe a different story, only to let go of the stories that distort the clarity about what is actually happening.. You say there is no volition, no person behind the happening, i say that's a belief, a story.. there is only what is actually happening, and.. if you are fully present and unconditionally curious about the happening, you will not deviate into story-telling, the actuality trumps all stories/beliefs/attachments.. there is the potential for what is happening to be revealed, but that will not be clear to the experiencer that is shaping that happening into preconceived beliefs.. You say there is no volition, no person behind the happening, i say i'm going to keep paying attention, even though the evidence is overwhelming that there are volitional persons choosing to drive their cars.. i'll keep an open mind, while i acknowledge the evidence.. your 'trigger', is to say that 'your beliefs' about the current version of evidence are 'true'.. your 'trigger' is to say "the only thing experienced" by a 'still mind' is: then you describe 'your' beliefs about 'your' experiences as "ONLY" while there are over 7 billion other experiences happening at the same time.. You believe that 'yours' is the "only" valid version, or those versions that agree with 'you', let that go.. it's amazing to let the happening reveal itself without trying to shape it into the approved story-line.. just pay attention to what's actually happening, and it won't matter if there's a person or volition or not.. Be well.. None of that addressed what I actually said, only what you think you heard. I don't buy that you have a still mind. <tzu> Stop attacking the messenger, Quinn. The club has obviously brainwashed you. </tzu>
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Post by Reefs on Jan 30, 2014 6:47:12 GMT -5
Just to remind you, Mr. Moderator, fundamentalism, as it is applied here, is an ideology: Noun[edit] fundamentalism (countable and uncountable, plural fundamentalisms) 1. (religion) The tendency to reduce a religion to its most fundamental tenets, based on strict interpretation of core texts. 2. (finance) The belief that fundamental financial quantities are the best predictor of the price of an instrument. 3. The beliefs held by those in this movement. 4. Strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles.Also, please note that I have yet to call anyone a fundamentalist, but only asked runstill if he was a 'fundie' (Silver's term, actually). Conversely, a hamster is a rodent, and to suggest that anyone is a rodent is equivalent to name-calling. Mr. Moderator. You're using a different definition than the one that's been whipped up by the hamster-in-chief, so that's just a diversion. Name calling is not disallowed in the UM section.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 30, 2014 6:58:22 GMT -5
Greetings.. None of that addressed what I actually said, only what you think you heard. I don't buy that you have a still mind. <tzu> Stop attacking the messenger, Quinn. The club has obviously brainwashed you. </tzu> Still avoiding the message.. still attached to the drama that you believe defines you.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2014 10:50:07 GMT -5
Link or giraffe. You used the word first, then Mr. hamster-bear. No, the bear did: First off, you get the giraffe solely on the basis of having said it was RS that brought it up. sorry I forget how to do this thing, but that's the link to the post where he said it first by asking runstill if he was a fundie. as far as I can figure because we were just talking about adya and being enlightened. Second off, while yes, you didn't use it first in this thread, you practically coined the darned word: You could be right -- I just equated it to Christian religion gone bad - but the fundies don't, heh. ... just search on it ... the next occurrence prior is like months before ... and by another one of yer buddies from SF btw ... (** muttley snicker **) I don't hold it 'gainst ya' ... far as I can tell you got NLPee'd on by the hamster-in-chief... here ya' go!
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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2014 10:56:48 GMT -5
You're using a different definition than the one that's been whipped up by the hamster-in-chief, so that's just a diversion. Name calling is not disallowed in the UM section. No, that's basically the same definition. If I wanted to bother I could likely put self-contradiction to that from the archives.
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Post by silver on Jan 30, 2014 11:52:50 GMT -5
First off, you get the giraffe solely on the basis of having said it was RS that brought it up. sorry I forget how to do this thing, but that's the link to the post where he said it first by asking runstill if he was a fundie. as far as I can figure because we were just talking about adya and being enlightened. Second off, while yes, you didn't use it first in this thread, you practically coined the darned word: You could be right -- I just equated it to Christian religion gone bad - but the fundies don't, heh. ... just search on it ... the next occurrence prior is like months before ... and by another one of yer buddies from SF btw ... (** muttley snicker **) I don't hold it 'gainst ya' ... far as I can tell you got NLPee'd on by the hamster-in-chief... here ya' go! Now, you're just getting weird!
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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2014 12:07:00 GMT -5
First off, you get the giraffe solely on the basis of having said it was RS that brought it up. Second off, while yes, you didn't use it first in this thread, you practically coined the darned word: ... just search on it ... the next occurrence prior is like months before ... and by another one of yer buddies from SF btw ... (** muttley snicker **) I don't hold it 'gainst ya' ... far as I can tell you got NLPee'd on by the hamster-in-chief... here ya' go! Now, you're just getting weird! And you're just swapping one meme for another ... "fundie" for "weirdo".
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Post by silver on Jan 30, 2014 12:12:16 GMT -5
Ok, so all I gotta know is, are we havin' fun or did I do some egregious act here, and I'm now considered a hardened criminal?! (Just don't look at my ID because that mug shot will remove all doubt!)
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Post by silver on Jan 30, 2014 12:38:23 GMT -5
I said you were getting weird, I didn't call you a weirdo. You would do well to speak straight about any point you might be attempting to make here....or are you afraid to appear pendantic, because I just don't get what message it is you may be trying to get to me.
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Post by Beingist on Jan 30, 2014 13:05:41 GMT -5
Sorry, I just couldn't resist posting this.
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2014 19:08:57 GMT -5
Ok, so all I gotta know is, are we havin' fun or did I do some egregious act here, and I'm now considered a hardened criminal?! (Just don't look at my ID because that mug shot will remove all doubt!) I wouldn't say hardened.
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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2014 23:31:41 GMT -5
Ok, so all I gotta know is, are we havin' fun or did I do some egregious act here, and I'm now considered a hardened criminal?! (Just don't look at my ID because that mug shot will remove all doubt!) I wouldn't say hardened. she was just tizzy-miffed 'bout gettin' giraffed
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