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Post by silver on Nov 20, 2013 15:00:35 GMT -5
Why don't you try it out?
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Post by silver on Nov 20, 2013 15:05:59 GMT -5
Why don't you try it out? Try what out? Didn't you just ask this?>>>>> So, try it out - once you attain your enlightenment? Isn't that pretty much the only true answer you'd ever get? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 15:09:47 GMT -5
just wondering if once I get enlightened does that mean I'm free to do anything? As I understand it, the process of 'enlightenment' is the process of the vanishing of the I. The process is complete when there is no I. So therefore there is no longer anyone trying to attain enlightenment, that's why the term is so problematic. Also, this means that there is no one around to do anything. That's why your question ultimately doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Another way to think about it is that once Enlightenment happens, then the oldie "Let me be an instrument of Thy Peace" really comes into its own. There is no longer an individual there that can individually determine what is to be done, it's all Thy Peace. In fact, as I understand it, that prayer is actually a prayer because it is pointing to the inherent obstruction that the beliefs of being an individual has in fulfilling one's actual function (which is not self-determined). It's really a surrender prayer. Surrendering one's will to something greater. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 15:13:46 GMT -5
just wondering if once I get enlightened does that mean I'm free to do anything? It's a fundamental misconception that anybody ' gets' enlightenment... Mainly because the one who thinks it's free to do anything with it, isn't there anymore... The illusory you is unwittingly seeking for it's own absence... Of course if the dream of you does vanish, what remains is what's always been here... BEING...  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 15:20:29 GMT -5
OMG! Okay When enlightenment is obtained by the nobody will greediness be there? Well how are you defining greediness? To me greediness sounds like a value judgement of some sort. Either it's a judgement of some other person or it's a done by oneself to oneself. As I understand it, in the situation you're talking about, greediness would keep appearing like all stuff, but wouldn't actually exist, like all stuff. |
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Post by silver on Nov 20, 2013 15:28:53 GMT -5
I define greed as spiritual murder! I'm asking you: Murder, stealing, rape, and all other crimes are greed? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 15:34:17 GMT -5
I define greed as spiritual murder! What is spiritual murder? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 15:35:48 GMT -5
Well how are you defining greediness? To me greediness sounds like a value judgement of some sort. Either it's a judgement of some other person or it's a done by oneself to oneself. As I understand it, in the situation you're talking about, greediness would keep appearing like all stuff, but wouldn't actually exist, like all stuff. How do you define greediness? If a door is black it's black. If one murders one can say they are a a murderer. But how do you define greediness? I'm just asking. Is it like this: 1. Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing, especially wishing to possess more than what one needs or deserves. 2. Wanting to eat or drink more than one can reasonably consume; gluttonous. 3. Extremely eager or desirous |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 20, 2013 22:09:12 GMT -5
just wondering if once I get enlightened does that mean I'm free to do anything? I think karma is always functional. It's just that at some point one becomes enlightened enough to see that actions always have consequences, and lives in such a manner as not to invite negative reciprocity. sdp |
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