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Nov 13, 2013 23:09:16 GMT -5
Post by acewall on Nov 13, 2013 23:09:16 GMT -5
Oh, was that originally said in a Q post?? No. I had to look up what fudge-packer means and I was disgusted. Some people here are really weird. that is good. I am glad you recognised yourself.
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Nov 13, 2013 23:11:38 GMT -5
Post by acewall on Nov 13, 2013 23:11:38 GMT -5
I was drawn to his expletives... still awaiting a connection. Oh, was that originally said in a Q post?? you must have missed Joes earlier anal expletive
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Nov 14, 2013 4:36:31 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Nov 14, 2013 4:36:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. Oh yes, how soon we forget ... and I'm sorry Tzu', but simply forgetting soon is not the same as coming empty. I can't know your subjective state for a certainty but it sure seems to me as though the reason that you challenge is the same reason that mountaineers climb. Cut the crap, Bill.. read the words, and stop manipulating the meaning to suit the message you want heard.. you are contributory to the forum's agenda of advancing the belief in 'oneness', non-duality, and neo-advaita.. you are quick to defend those quite capable and skilled at their own defense, just to add the weight of your support to the forum's agenda and the club's enforcement of it.. yes, 'enforcement', the ridiculing, intimidating, and provoking carried-out by a few members and emulated by a few more, under the guise of helping others, but the help is not fair or balanced, it is aligned with the forum's agenda.. 'help', intended to 'break' the victim's spirit so it can be reshaped by the oneness agenda is not 'help'.. 'help' is empowering others to see/experience what is actually happening for themselves, not as described through propaganda and illusion enforced by allowing the rules to be exploited in favor of the forum's favored beliefs.. Be well.. ... oh I did read the words Tzu'. That's the entire point: you don't seem to. Your illusion is that I contribute to the illusion of "oneness". Do you realize the level of hostility in what you've written there? Very very little of what you've written has any basis in what I've posted to the forum, and you've got 8000+ posts from which you could cherrypick to support this story you've concocted. What I've gleaned from corresponding with you over the past year is that while you often challenge the views of others, when you are challenged or disagreed with, you nearly invariably react, when you do react, with this type of hostility -- all the while calling, with an apparent deep sense of irony (or not), for open honest discussion. I mentioned to you at more than one point that every conversation has a beginning a middle and an end. We're definitely getting near the end here.
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Nov 14, 2013 6:30:01 GMT -5
Post by acewall on Nov 14, 2013 6:30:01 GMT -5
Greetings.. Cut the crap, Bill.. read the words, and stop manipulating the meaning to suit the message you want heard.. you are contributory to the forum's agenda of advancing the belief in 'oneness', non-duality, and neo-advaita.. you are quick to defend those quite capable and skilled at their own defense, just to add the weight of your support to the forum's agenda and the club's enforcement of it.. yes, 'enforcement', the ridiculing, intimidating, and provoking carried-out by a few members and emulated by a few more, under the guise of helping others, but the help is not fair or balanced, it is aligned with the forum's agenda.. 'help', intended to 'break' the victim's spirit so it can be reshaped by the oneness agenda is not 'help'.. 'help' is empowering others to see/experience what is actually happening for themselves, not as described through propaganda and illusion enforced by allowing the rules to be exploited in favor of the forum's favored beliefs.. Be well.. ... oh I did read the words Tzu'. That's the entire point: you don't seem to. Your illusion is that I contribute to the illusion of "oneness". Do you realize the level of hostility in what you've written there? Very very little of what you've written has any basis in what I've posted to the forum, and you've got 8000+ posts from which you could cherrypick to support this story you've concocted. What I've gleaned from corresponding with you over the past year is that while you often challenge the views of others, when you are challenged or disagreed with, you nearly invariably react, when you do react, with this type of hostility -- all the while calling, with an apparent deep sense of irony (or not), for open honest discussion. I mentioned to you at more than one point that every conversation has a beginning a middle and an end. We're definitely getting near the end here. a happy ending...lol
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Nov 14, 2013 6:37:23 GMT -5
Post by acewall on Nov 14, 2013 6:37:23 GMT -5
Its good that tzujanli hang-in here as his exposure is precious. We need more tzujanli's so as some kind of impression is made in minds that still exist, insular to the rest. To have a big movement(Orange has been done to death) BROWN maybe more appropriate, although I think Joe may have something to say about that. Personally, I like Green...wearing stuffed frogs on leather thongs about the neck might do the trick. At present the frogs about me croak an sing not-knowing they're about to be stuffed an used as a spiritual symbol for cyclic life in a bun dance.
I knew one spiritual~teacher that wanted his contorted little~toe moulded and made into necklaces, that his devottees would wear to remember Him by. Master Twinkie?
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Nov 14, 2013 6:44:44 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Nov 14, 2013 6:44:44 GMT -5
Grewetings.. Greetings.. Cut the crap, Bill.. read the words, and stop manipulating the meaning to suit the message you want heard.. you are contributory to the forum's agenda of advancing the belief in 'oneness', non-duality, and neo-advaita.. you are quick to defend those quite capable and skilled at their own defense, just to add the weight of your support to the forum's agenda and the club's enforcement of it.. yes, 'enforcement', the ridiculing, intimidating, and provoking carried-out by a few members and emulated by a few more, under the guise of helping others, but the help is not fair or balanced, it is aligned with the forum's agenda.. 'help', intended to 'break' the victim's spirit so it can be reshaped by the oneness agenda is not 'help'.. 'help' is empowering others to see/experience what is actually happening for themselves, not as described through propaganda and illusion enforced by allowing the rules to be exploited in favor of the forum's favored beliefs.. Be well.. ... oh I did read the words Tzu'. That's the entire point: you don't seem to. Your illusion is that I contribute to the illusion of "oneness". Do you realize the level of hostility in what you've written there? Very very little of what you've written has any basis in what I've posted to the forum, and you've got 8000+ posts from which you could cherrypick to support this story you've concocted. What I've gleaned from corresponding with you over the past year is that while you often challenge the views of others, when you are challenged or disagreed with, you nearly invariably react, when you do react, with this type of hostility -- all the while calling, with an apparent deep sense of irony (or not), for open honest discussion. I mentioned to you at more than one point that every conversation has a beginning a middle and an end. We're definitely getting near the end here.LOL.. no we're not, Bill.. you have no self-control, you cannot 'let go' of an encounter that you think inflates your self-image.. It 'feels like' hostility because the sting of actuality is distressing to 'dream-weavers'.. your 'dream' differs from the philosophic dreams of oneness believers, since you are simply using their cause as a platform for the indulgence of your self-image at the expense of others.. but, and this is where you miss the point entirely, you further the advance of the forum's agenda by using that agenda as 'de-bait' fodder for enticing others into your pseudo-intellectual mind-play, the sheer absurdity of the proposed beliefs is ample opportunity for you to exercise your debate skills and further your self-image and the forum's agenda.. Before your usual knee-jerk defense of your self-image, really try to understand what happening, here.. Be well..
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Nov 15, 2013 1:23:45 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Nov 15, 2013 1:23:45 GMT -5
Grewetings.. ... oh I did read the words Tzu'. That's the entire point: you don't seem to. Your illusion is that I contribute to the illusion of "oneness". Do you realize the level of hostility in what you've written there? Very very little of what you've written has any basis in what I've posted to the forum, and you've got 8000+ posts from which you could cherrypick to support this story you've concocted. What I've gleaned from corresponding with you over the past year is that while you often challenge the views of others, when you are challenged or disagreed with, you nearly invariably react, when you do react, with this type of hostility -- all the while calling, with an apparent deep sense of irony (or not), for open honest discussion. I mentioned to you at more than one point that every conversation has a beginning a middle and an end. We're definitely getting near the end here.LOL.. no we're not, Bill.. you have no self-control, you cannot 'let go' of an encounter that you think inflates your self-image.. It 'feels like' hostility because the sting of actuality is distressing to 'dream-weavers'.. your 'dream' differs from the philosophic dreams of oneness believers, since you are simply using their cause as a platform for the indulgence of your self-image at the expense of others.. but, and this is where you miss the point entirely, you further the advance of the forum's agenda by using that agenda as 'de-bait' fodder for enticing others into your pseudo-intellectual mind-play, the sheer absurdity of the proposed beliefs is ample opportunity for you to exercise your debate skills and further your self-image and the forum's agenda.. Before your usual knee-jerk defense of your self-image, really try to understand what happening, here.. Be well.. No sting man. A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion, but you keep throwing darts at a cardboard cut-out, and there really is no need to constantly reply the same loop endlessly ... and I don't foresee it changing.
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Nov 15, 2013 2:18:10 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Nov 15, 2013 2:18:10 GMT -5
Oh, was that originally said in a Q post?? No. I had to look up what fudge-packer means and I was disgusted. Some people here are really weird. Okay, sorry.
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Nov 15, 2013 6:52:08 GMT -5
Post by tzujanli on Nov 15, 2013 6:52:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. Grewetings.. LOL.. no we're not, Bill.. you have no self-control, you cannot 'let go' of an encounter that you think inflates your self-image.. It 'feels like' hostility because the sting of actuality is distressing to 'dream-weavers'.. your 'dream' differs from the philosophic dreams of oneness believers, since you are simply using their cause as a platform for the indulgence of your self-image at the expense of others.. but, and this is where you miss the point entirely, you further the advance of the forum's agenda by using that agenda as 'de-bait' fodder for enticing others into your pseudo-intellectual mind-play, the sheer absurdity of the proposed beliefs is ample opportunity for you to exercise your debate skills and further your self-image and the forum's agenda.. Before your usual knee-jerk defense of your self-image, really try to understand what happening, here.. Be well.. No sting man. A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion, but you keep throwing darts at a cardboard cut-out, and there really is no need to constantly reply the same loop endlessly ... and I don't foresee it changing. You're right, you have this "cardboard cut-out" image of the world and of 'Tzu', and all you experience of that image is a self-referential feedback loop that reinforces your precious self-image as a 'superior being to be reckoned with'.. examine your phrase, "A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion", that comes from a dark and hostile mindscape wanting to share some repressed emotional pain.. do you not see the difference between my intention of 'pointing at' a forum/philosophic inconsistency with a moderator biased and aligned with a select group and that group's agenda, and your personal 'Tzu' agenda?.. do you not see how you are not in control of your emotions, how easily you are inspired to express the "revulsion" you have for those you deem inferior.. you are living a Life unexamined, presuming your superiority to be its own authority.. Yes, there is no need to reply, but you demonstrate no control over that 'need'.. Be well..
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Nov 15, 2013 8:59:11 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Nov 15, 2013 8:59:11 GMT -5
Greetings.. No sting man. A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion, but you keep throwing darts at a cardboard cut-out, and there really is no need to constantly reply the same loop endlessly ... and I don't foresee it changing. You're right, you have this "cardboard cut-out" image of the world and of 'Tzu', and all you experience of that image is a self-referential feedback loop that reinforces your precious self-image as a 'superior being to be reckoned with'.. examine your phrase, "A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion", that comes from a dark and hostile mindscape wanting to share some repressed emotional pain.. do you not see the difference between my intention of 'pointing at' a forum/philosophic inconsistency with a moderator biased and aligned with a select group and that group's agenda, and your personal 'Tzu' agenda?.. do you not see how you are not in control of your emotions, how easily you are inspired to express the "revulsion" you have for those you deem inferior.. you are living a Life unexamined, presuming your superiority to be its own authority.. Yes, there is no need to reply, but you demonstrate no control over that 'need'.. Be well.. ** contains psychoanalysis **
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Nov 15, 2013 9:03:18 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Nov 15, 2013 9:03:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. No sting man. A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion, but you keep throwing darts at a cardboard cut-out, and there really is no need to constantly reply the same loop endlessly ... and I don't foresee it changing. You're right, you have this "cardboard cut-out" image of the world and of 'Tzu', and all you experience of that image is a self-referential feedback loop that reinforces your precious self-image as a 'superior being to be reckoned with'.. examine your phrase, "A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion", that comes from a dark and hostile mindscape wanting to share some repressed emotional pain.. do you not see the difference between my intention of 'pointing at' a forum/philosophic inconsistency with a moderator biased and aligned with a select group and that group's agenda, and your personal 'Tzu' agenda?.. do you not see how you are not in control of your emotions, how easily you are inspired to express the "revulsion" you have for those you deem inferior.. you are living a Life unexamined, presuming your superiority to be its own authority.. Yes, there is no need to reply, but you demonstrate no control over that 'need'.. Be well.. Unlike you, I disclaimed making any assumptions about your internal state: I can't know your subjective state for a certainty but it sure seems to me as though the reason that you challenge is the same reason that mountaineers climb. What I mean by hostile, what I'm asking if you recognize, is the overt hostility, in terms of tone and in terms of the imagery suggested by your words: read the words, and stop manipulating the meaning to suit the message you want heard.. yes, 'enforcement', the ridiculing, intimidating, and provoking carried-out by a few members and emulated by a few more, under the guise of helping others intended to 'break' the victim's spirit described through propaganda and illusion enforced by allowing the rules to be exploited That was just in that one message alone. Now, are you going to claim that these words don't seem hostile? How about these? you are simply using their cause as a platform for the indulgence of your self-image at the expense of others.. your pseudo-intellectual mind-play Would you at least admit that these are insulting, if not downright hostile? Certainly quite a bit of condescension in what you write, no? During the last round of discussion where we actually had a few exchanges free of this nonsense, I had to simply ignore most of this ... it's what I'd refer to as "ego-bait" ... but you see, eventually the conversation with you always seems to break down to the point where that's all you're saying, is ego-bait -- it's no longer bait, it becomes this picture that gets painted -- more sort of vomited out -- based on all these thoughts and impressions and conclusions that you've drawn about me. If not those up there, how about these? are you so infatuated with boorish behavior the deeds are divisive and self-fulfilling, revealing his attachment to divisiveness and creating conflict.. Okay, now that you've had your hissy-fit about how you 'feel' about what i posted.. you will remain misinformed and unaware of the resonant similarities.. but, the Flat-Earth Society survives on the mentality that refuses to 'listen' and to pay attention, and see/experience what is actually happening, you will fit in nicely.. Why do you make absurd statements You seem to see yourself in a different light -- that's what I meant by the pity and the revulsion -- you really do have so much to offer but a high percentage of your correspondence are riddled with this ridiculous and wasteful sword-swinging. Now if I were to psychoanalyze you based on this the way that you have done with me, I'd start talking about fear and vulnerability and PTSD ... but I'm not qualified for any of that and it would only be based on your words, so it would be complete B.S. ... as I said, I can't know your internal state. But your words clearly denote hostility -- they are a call to battle ... and the condescension seems to indicate a projection on your part with respect to this supposed air of superiority that you think I carry. If nothing I've quoted so far is getting this point across, how about these? What I've included in this post is just the tip of an iceberg. Really? you're still attached to word-games? Okay, so you have some hangups about "fear and doubt", great, You're stuck in a 'word-game loop', good luck.. you will remain there until it stops serving your belief that it's cool.. your inability to stop thinking and just see.. but keep at it, kiddo.. you're doing a swell job, i'll wager it 'feels' like a carnival fun-house full of distorted mirrors, for you, LOL.. You are not fully present.. you are attached to ideas and meanings and beliefs, you see/experience through those beliefs, which distorts your 'awareness'.. You try to condition others to believe that "oneness is truth" The post was written in your imaginary language Even with your intentionally deluded misrepresentation, you can't make that illusion seem valid.. Now, go to your room, young man, and read what you just posted.. you're presuming much more that you can even understand.. you don't like what i post, great.. but, that's all your post says, you address nothing about your failure to see clearly.. The 'incentive' is in the hypocrisy of your actions relative to your speech about not having a problem with that understanding .. Thinking is all you do, Top.. think and chatter about what you think.. Excellent, then block me and STFU.. you're only interested in parading around your wannabe Native American ego.. pfft, scurry away into the forest of your beliefs, you're not interested in reality.. Well, you'll never know how wrong you are, but it's that way with folks like you, you place your faith in the belief that ignorance is bliss.. you play games, hiding not so clever snotty remarks in geek-font, passing judgment and patting yourself on the back for your worship of ideology and self-delusion.. read your last four posts to or about Tzu, you are arrogance incarnate. You will continue to display your juvenile self-indulgence, while worshiping E's abusive provocations, since that is the gang's binding force.. yep, Niz is the chief guru, because of his snotty ways, and he is emulated, not because he has any wisdom, but because the gang believes he validates their inclination for snotty abusive behavior.. LOL.. you're trying to hard, Steve.. you are so attached to oneness, that you cannot let it go, even for that instant that would reveal that it is no more than an idea, a belief.. yep, liberation means no attachments, none, but you can't deal with that, so.. you remain attached to mama's apron-strings, the safety of beliefs and illusions and support-groups like the forum's club of believers.. LOL.. ahh, it's Halloween and the little gang of juveniles wants their treats.. they want a 'victory', they want to win a 'battle'.. not so much, you are so predictable.. i had hoped, early in my visit to this forum, that you had the potential for reasoned adult discussion, you don't.. and i'm no longer interested in anything other than watching you do tricks like the post above.. you lost your rights when you chose to be petty and pretentious, and avoid open honest direct discussions.. you can't control yourself, you have to try to play passive aggressive cartoon video deputy giraffe gang-humping misrepresentations as if they had meaning.. ---- You're right, you have this "cardboard cut-out" image of the world and of 'Tzu' Uhm no ... I'm responding to the words on the page ... of course I can't know (apparently, unlike you), what's really behind them. It's just very very obvious that the words are condescending and hostile. As far as what you've said about me, you presume that I look down on everyone. Ridicule I'll certainly admit to, but provocation and intimidation are, just as your claim that I promote "oneness", entirely within your mind. I never ridicule anyone who hasn't gotten insulting with me first or someone I'm friendly enough with to have a good guess at how they'd take it. You talk an awful lot about still mind and clarity. It is all talk. In the past there has seemed to be some value in confrontations like this. They've seemed to lead to a cycle where you stick to the still-mind-clarity message without all the nastiness -- but that's always only temporary. At this point my goal is to have something to point back toward at those times when I want to illustrate why the conversation came to a dead-end. Toward that end. Please. Keep typing.
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Nov 15, 2013 9:12:21 GMT -5
Post by laughter on Nov 15, 2013 9:12:21 GMT -5
No. I had to look up what fudge-packer means and I was disgusted. Some people here are really weird. Okay, sorry. I'm pretty sure Ace was alluding to a specific point of comedy in Idiocracy. Joe Bauers (played by Luke Wilson) is Rip Van Winkled 500 years into the future because of an army experiment in suspended animation that got forgotten and lost. During that time, evolution took a turn toward producing dumber and dumber people. All the folks in 2507 think that Joe ... "talks like a f@g", because he speaks, for the most part, in complete and grammatically correct sentences ...
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Nov 15, 2013 9:22:21 GMT -5
Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 15, 2013 9:22:21 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ace was alluding to a specific point of comedy in Idiocracy. Joe Bauers (played by Luke Wilson) is Rip Van Winkled 500 years into the future because of an army experiment in suspended animation that got forgotten and lost. During that time, evolution took a turn toward producing dumber and dumber people. All the folks in 2507 think that Joe ... "talks like a f@g", because he speaks, for the most part, in complete and grammatically correct sentences ... I didn't see this conection at all. I very much doubt that ace wanted to make a joke like you describe. He probably just made a stuipid insult witjout thinking. And generally for all people who make clever homour to me, please know that i dont think even for 5 sec about any post, i forget very quick, i care not one bit about your cleverness or whatever, you cant impress me with things like that.
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Nov 15, 2013 9:45:27 GMT -5
Post by acewall on Nov 15, 2013 9:45:27 GMT -5
Its good that tzujanli hang-in here as his exposure is precious. We need more tzujanli's so as some kind of impression is made in minds that still exist, insular to the rest. To have a big movement(Orange has been done to death) BROWN maybe more appropriate, although I think Joe may have something to say about that. Personally, I like Green...wearing stuffed frogs on leather thongs about the neck might do the trick. At present the frogs about me croak an sing not-knowing they're about to be stuffed an used as a spiritual symbol for cyclic life in a bun dance. I knew one spiritual~teacher that wanted his contorted little~toe moulded and made into necklaces, that his devottees would wear to remember Him by. Master Twinkie? A Masters toe necklace that one could kiss whenever they feel inspired? It might be a good idea. He could imbue them with enlightened energy too. They would be great conversation starters for picking up girls. thats it...youre onto it. He was right into being worshipped and got the idea off Mr Rajneesh. Over here, in Perth the Italian boys wear tiny pe`nis's round their necks for picking-up boys. Strange customs we Humanoid do. Yesterday, my daughter came in with a nose ring... 14years.
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Nov 15, 2013 15:47:25 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Nov 15, 2013 15:47:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. You're right, you have this "cardboard cut-out" image of the world and of 'Tzu', and all you experience of that image is a self-referential feedback loop that reinforces your precious self-image as a 'superior being to be reckoned with'.. examine your phrase, "A profound sort of pity mixed with revulsion", that comes from a dark and hostile mindscape wanting to share some repressed emotional pain.. do you not see the difference between my intention of 'pointing at' a forum/philosophic inconsistency with a moderator biased and aligned with a select group and that group's agenda, and your personal 'Tzu' agenda?.. do you not see how you are not in control of your emotions, how easily you are inspired to express the "revulsion" you have for those you deem inferior.. you are living a Life unexamined, presuming your superiority to be its own authority.. Yes, there is no need to reply, but you demonstrate no control over that 'need'.. Be well.. Unlike you, I disclaimed making any assumptions about your internal state: I can't know your subjective state for a certainty but it sure seems to me as though the reason that you challenge is the same reason that mountaineers climb. What I mean by hostile, what I'm asking if you recognize, is the overt hostility, in terms of tone and in terms of the imagery suggested by your words: read the words, and stop manipulating the meaning to suit the message you want heard.. yes, 'enforcement', the ridiculing, intimidating, and provoking carried-out by a few members and emulated by a few more, under the guise of helping others intended to 'break' the victim's spirit described through propaganda and illusion enforced by allowing the rules to be exploited That was just in that one message alone. Now, are you going to claim that these words don't seem hostile? [psychoanalysis]I speculate that Tzu believes his comments to be incontrovertibly true, and therefore sees himself as simply being open, honest and direct in bringing these truths to everyone's attention. As such, I doubt that he sees himself as belligerent, condescending or hostile.[/psychoanalysis] Funny thing, while reading his quotes, the thought flashed that he might benefit from the mental discipline and equanimity associated with the marshal arts. (That thought passed quickly)
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