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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 13:01:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. I thought The Big Other always was gazing, primarily a fabrication of the mind. So imagining a situation without it is just fantasy. IOW, walking in the woods, alone, The Big Other is still there. Seems to me that liberation is being able to see that happening and not letting it affect you. But imagining the liberated state seems like a fools game. Walking through the woods and paying attention to the walking and the woods and what's happening is not a fool's game.. conjuring imagined beliefs about matters other than what's happening, that's another matter.. Be well.. The Big Other especially loves it when it's subjects think they can avoid it by stilling the mind and focusing on 'what is.' If you listen closely while walking in the woods, you'll hear it's maniacal laughter. If you don't hear it, you're avoiding it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 13:05:41 GMT -5
What is a psychological truth? that's a new one. Do you have a practice I can do to become more arrogant? I would say it's (psychological truth) what you are like when you know that the big Other isn't looking, i.e. you don't have to make a good impression, don't have to fake effort, don't have to pretend that you're interested, don't have to be polite, etc. Damn, that's how I live. I find it immensely volatile when there are fake moods swimming around.
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 18, 2013 13:11:26 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Walking through the woods and paying attention to the walking and the woods and what's happening is not a fool's game.. conjuring imagined beliefs about matters other than what's happening, that's another matter.. Be well.. The Big Other especially loves it when it's subjects think they can avoid it by stilling the mind and focusing on 'what is.' If you listen closely while walking in the woods, you'll hear it's maniacal laughter. If you don't hear it, you're avoiding it. The "Big Other" is imagined.. that, or you found the mushrooms in the woods.. Be well..
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 18, 2013 13:30:39 GMT -5
I would say it's (psychological truth) what you are like when you know that the big Other isn't looking, i.e. you don't have to make a good impression, don't have to fake effort, don't have to pretend that you're interested, don't have to be polite, etc. I thought The Big Other always was gazing, primarily a fabrication of the mind. So imagining a situation without it is just fantasy. IOW, walking in the woods, alone, The Big Other is still there. Seems to me that liberation is being able to see that happening and not letting it affect you. But imagining the liberated state seems like a fools game. I suppose that's true, can't really get rid of the bO afaik. What I suggested is to stop pretending and playing nice for its gaze. And then when this facade is gone one gets closer to the obscene, ugly, ignorant and arrogant psychological truth. I would say the first is the imaginary. And the latter is the real in reaction to which the imaginary constitutes itself. Like okay we say we need enlightenment, salvation and whatever, but in this we don't dare to express the real beneath it, namely the ugly psychological truth of the ego. Or when we say, "oh, but I really am a nice guy, from enlightenment I just want a better experience, cos I've heard this and that and blah blah", that's all bs, the "real" reason is because I'm fúcked up in the head, because I hate myself etc. I don't know if that's good for anything, but what the hell, can't hurt to be honest imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 15:15:08 GMT -5
Yeah, lucid dreaming is, a strange phenomenon. It is concluded that because there was awareness of the character in the dreamstate, then there was influence upon the whole dream. And yet the landscapes, soundscapes and direction of conversations, are all flourishing from indifferent imagination. Yeah, there can be the same sense of control in the lucid dream state as there is in the waking dream state, though it's just part of the dream. As a kid I had lucid nightmares, meaning that I knew it was a dream but I had no conscious control over how the events unfolded. The dreams were constructed of my greatest fears, known only to me, and demanded reconciliation. It could fairly be said that they were my creation over which I had no control. I did, however, have options. I learned to awaken from the dreams by pinching my arm while in the dream. I would wake up in bed to find my self actually pinching my arm. What began happening then was a set of 'false awakenings' in which I would believe I had awakened and go about my day only to find I had awoken from one dream and entered another. I remember clearly the day my nightmares stopped; the very moment when I had quite enough of running and cowering from my own monsters. I stood in the darkness as the monsters taunted me, and I yelled "Okay, come on!" (A 7 year old's version of "Make my day!") Instantly, the growling and bumping stopped, and the nightmares never returned. I 'got it' that day that I was doing battle with my own fears and all that was needed was courage. Yeah I love them sort of dreams. One of my neice's, is going through something similar at the moment. She is having some very distressing dreams due to her home life being very turbulent. She's moved in with her grandma the past few weeks and has told her Mom that until things change, she isn't returning. We all support this decision. Remarkably she's still holding things together at school and is doing exceptionally well. I am careful with giving such intimate advice, as yes, you're right it's her own courage that must grow. Standing her ground with her Mom, may naturally transfer itself into her dreamscape as well.
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 15:53:47 GMT -5
Here's a video for "contrast". The way I see this video is it seems the baby has recognize that he isn't in the "spirit world" any longer because I wouldn't think paper could "rip" there. So the baby seems to actually be having some kind of "physical enlightenment" i.e. waking up to this physical world where paper CAN rip. No matter it is very sweet. www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=505819052773774/Spirit world? Physical enlightenment? R U serial?
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 16:23:32 GMT -5
I would say it's (psychological truth) what you are like when you know that the big Other isn't looking, i.e. you don't have to make a good impression, don't have to fake effort, don't have to pretend that you're interested, don't have to be polite, etc. darn, that's how I live. I find it immensely volatile when there are fake moods swimming around. So yer saying you don't like being two-faced?
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 16:28:28 GMT -5
Brilliant! And I like your theory. Thanks, I was just wondering what this little baby found so funny about paper tearing. It seems he's having some realization. Babies laugh in response to being entertained. It's not the realization of some cosmic joke. Hehe.
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 16:41:59 GMT -5
Yeah, there can be the same sense of control in the lucid dream state as there is in the waking dream state, though it's just part of the dream. As a kid I had lucid nightmares, meaning that I knew it was a dream but I had no conscious control over how the events unfolded. The dreams were constructed of my greatest fears, known only to me, and demanded reconciliation. It could fairly be said that they were my creation over which I had no control. I did, however, have options. I learned to awaken from the dreams by pinching my arm while in the dream. I would wake up in bed to find my self actually pinching my arm. What began happening then was a set of 'false awakenings' in which I would believe I had awakened and go about my day only to find I had awoken from one dream and entered another. I remember clearly the day my nightmares stopped; the very moment when I had quite enough of running and cowering from my own monsters. I stood in the darkness as the monsters taunted me, and I yelled "Okay, come on!" (A 7 year old's version of "Make my day!") Instantly, the growling and bumping stopped, and the nightmares never returned. I 'got it' that day that I was doing battle with my own fears and all that was needed was courage. Yeah I love them sort of dreams. One of my neice's, is going through something similar at the moment. She is having some very distressing dreams due to her home life being very turbulent. She's moved in with her grandma the past few weeks and has told her Mom that until things change, she isn't returning. We all support this decision. Remarkably she's still holding things together at school and is doing exceptionally well. I am careful with giving such intimate advice, as yes, you're right it's her own courage that must grow. Standing her ground with her Mom, may naturally transfer itself in her dreamscape as well. It seems to me that we can't reverse the process. I.E. understand that courage is needed, and find it. Instead, courage arises when we can no longer tolerate the effects of our own cowardice. It's only after courage is found that we can know it was missing. I trust the parallels with 'awakening' are clear.
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 16:43:10 GMT -5
Spirit world? Physical enlightenment? R U serial? My ego doesn't want to die. If it were alive to begin with, I would understand the dilemma.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 16:45:08 GMT -5
darn, that's how I live. I find it immensely volatile when there are fake moods swimming around. So yer saying you don't like being two-faced? No, I'm not very good at it, so I don't bother.
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Post by andrew on Oct 18, 2013 16:48:11 GMT -5
Brilliant! And I like your theory. Thanks, I was just wondering what this little baby found so funny about paper tearing. It seems he's having some realization. I know what you mean, I don't tend to find the tearing of paper very funny but then again, experiencing physical reality is quite normal to me these days! Watching the video connected me to the baby's pure joy and delight, and your suggestion that the joy and delight may have something to do with experiencing the amazing nature of physicality made sense to me, and I thought it was quite insightful. What also springs to mind is many children's love for slapstick 'clown' comedy. Watching a clown slip on a banana skin doesn't tend do tickle my funny bone these days, but I can see that from a perspective that is still adjusting to physicality, its really kinda funny! Like you said though, could just be yours and my ego talking.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 16:52:25 GMT -5
Yeah I love them sort of dreams. One of my neice's, is going through something similar at the moment. She is having some very distressing dreams due to her home life being very turbulent. She's moved in with her grandma the past few weeks and has told her Mom that until things change, she isn't returning. We all support this decision. Remarkably she's still holding things together at school and is doing exceptionally well. I am careful with giving such intimate advice, as yes, you're right it's her own courage that must grow. Standing her ground with her Mom, may naturally transfer itself into her dreamscape as well. It seems to me that we can't reverse the process. I.E. understand that courage is needed, and find it. Instead, courage arises when we can no longer tolerate the effects of our own cowardice. It's only after courage is found that we can know it was missing. I trust the parallels with 'awakening' are clear. Yeah. The courage necessary is also non-transferable.
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 17:02:58 GMT -5
So yer saying you don't like being two-faced? No, I'm not very good at it, so I don't bother. It was kind of a tease about your avatar.
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Post by silence on Oct 18, 2013 17:05:55 GMT -5
But I think you're right in a way, I'm just trying figure out basically what folks are saying. It's just figuring out what the pointer is so I can look where it's pointing sort of thing. I wouldn't insult water bugs that way either, I doubt they're cobbled by such silly musings. It's a difficult point to get across because you don't strike me as being very reactive at all and so discussion with you is very fluid and easy. In that sense, just about anyone here could have years of theoretical discussions with you with very little distractions. On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be any oomph or fire lit beneath you. The kind of fire that brings the curiosity you surely have to look much more deeply than simply what the words are spelling out.
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