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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 22:57:57 GMT -5
Nothing real can be threatened
Nothing unreal exists
Herein lies the peace of God
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Post by silver on Oct 16, 2013 23:09:38 GMT -5
Hey, God. Your mother's calling you.
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Post by tcejer on Oct 17, 2013 6:04:40 GMT -5
Hey, God. Your mother's calling you. I really don't get it. Is this an attempt at humour? If not, please explain what is meant by it?
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Post by tcejer on Oct 17, 2013 6:09:16 GMT -5
Nothing real can be threatened Nothing unreal exists Herein lies the peace of God Would you care to expand on what you mean by the first line - "Nothing real can be threatened"? I mean, most folk would argue that life is 'real' and we see no shortage of threats being suggested and carried out against such life, right?
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Post by silver on Oct 17, 2013 7:25:05 GMT -5
Hey, God. Your mother's calling you. I really don't get it. Is this an attempt at humour? If not, please explain what is meant by it? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 12:17:45 GMT -5
Hey, God. Your mother's calling you. The Universal is an orphan.
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Post by silver on Oct 17, 2013 12:20:13 GMT -5
Hey, God. Your mother's calling you. The Universal is an orphan.Well, okay...I wouldn't know about these things. But an orphan did have a mother and a father before abandonment or death or something. (Did you mean Universe or Universal?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 12:22:12 GMT -5
The Universal is an orphan. Well, okay...I wouldn't know about these things. But an orphan did have a mother and a father before abandonment or death or something. (Did you mean Universe or Universal?) Universal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 12:27:37 GMT -5
Nothing real can be threatened Nothing unreal exists Herein lies the peace of God Would you care to expand on what you mean by the first line - "Nothing real can be threatened"? I mean, most folk would argue that life is 'real' and we see no shortage of threats being suggested and carried out against such life, right? It's the premise of ACIM which makes a fundamental distinction between the real and the unreal; between knowledge and perception. It goes on to state that knowledge is truth, under one law, the law of love or God. Truth is unalterable, eternal and unambiguous. It can be unrecognized, but it cannot be changed. It applies to everything that God created, and only what He created is real. It is beyond learning because it is beyond time and process. It has no opposite; no beginning and no end. It merely is. The world of perception or the world that appears real is the world of time, of change, of beginnings and endings. It is based on interpretation, not on facts. It is the world of birth and death, founded on the belief in scarcity, loss separation and death. It is learned rather than given, selective in its perceptual emphases, unstable in its functioning, and inaccurate in its interpretations. This leads to a world of illusions, a world which needs constant defense precisely because it is not real.
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Post by frustratedwanter on Oct 17, 2013 21:18:53 GMT -5
Nothing real can be threatened Nothing unreal exists Herein lies the peace of God Would you care to expand on what you mean by the first line - "Nothing real can be threatened"? I mean, most folk would argue that life is 'real' and we see no shortage of threats being suggested and carried out against such life, right? There are any number of variations on the theme "What you really are is untouched by anything that arises in it." Should you find one that catches your fancy look into it. It's a great question.
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 8:41:54 GMT -5
Nothing real can be threatened Nothing unreal exists Herein lies the peace of God Would you care to expand on what you mean by the first line - "Nothing real can be threatened"? I mean, most folk would argue that life is 'real' and we see no shortage of threats being suggested and carried out against such life, right? It means that which is real is permanent. (Doesn't come and go or change)
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Post by tcejer on Oct 18, 2013 15:21:59 GMT -5
Would you care to expand on what you mean by the first line - "Nothing real can be threatened"? I mean, most folk would argue that life is 'real' and we see no shortage of threats being suggested and carried out against such life, right? It means that which is real is permanent. (Doesn't come and go or change) Ok, so can you please present two examples of that which is 'real' - "that doesn't come and go or change"?
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Post by tcejer on Oct 18, 2013 15:22:15 GMT -5
Hey, God. Your mother's calling you. The Universal is an orphan.So what do you mean by 'The Universal is an orphan'?
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Post by tcejer on Oct 18, 2013 15:22:32 GMT -5
Would you care to expand on what you mean by the first line - "Nothing real can be threatened"? I mean, most folk would argue that life is 'real' and we see no shortage of threats being suggested and carried out against such life, right? There are any number of variations on the theme "What you really are is untouched by anything that arises in it." Should you find one that catches your fancy look into it. It's a great question. I'm sorry, but your post somewhat confuses me. You suggest a question as 'great', but thus far the only question I can find is mine; what is this 'real' that can't be threatened?
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Post by tcejer on Oct 18, 2013 15:24:47 GMT -5
Would you care to expand on what you mean by the first line - "Nothing real can be threatened"? I mean, most folk would argue that life is 'real' and we see no shortage of threats being suggested and carried out against such life, right? It's the premise of ACIM which makes a fundamental distinction between the real and the unreal; between knowledge and perception. It goes on to state that knowledge is truth, under one law, the law of love or God. Truth is unalterable, eternal and unambiguous. It can be unrecognized, but it cannot be changed. It applies to everything that God created, and only what He created is real. It is beyond learning because it is beyond time and process. It has no opposite; no beginning and no end. It merely is. Thank you for your considered response. Unfortunately such appear not to be the norm on this site. So firstly, I don't know much at all about ACIM. Second; I don't find much in the above to take issue over, apart from the most pivotal and relevant; 'god'. So who or what is this 'god' upon which/whom everything that is 'real' depends? Do I, for instance, need to ask the Pope for such advice? If so, all the apparent validity in the above vaporises in a moment. Third; apart from the 'god' here, thus far it appears your 'real' is what I term 'objective reality'; in quite a stark contrast to the following ..... The world of perception or the world that appears real is the world of time, of change, of beginnings and endings. It is based on interpretation, not on facts. It is the world of birth and death, founded on the belief in scarcity, loss separation and death. It is learned rather than given, selective in its perceptual emphases, unstable in its functioning, and inaccurate in its interpretations. This leads to a world of illusions, a world which needs constant defense precisely because it is not real. Your definition of this realm appears to parallel what I term 'subjective reality', which is basically a very complex illusion which exists in the imaginations of folk, and of which they become exceptionally convinced, and defensive over, for it's as 'real' to each as anyone can imagine. It's so 'real' in fact, that a great many have hated, killed and been killed - all in the name of 'proving' their version of this illusion, as 'real', when it could never be considered as such. This is a realm consisting entirely of subjectivity; of (personal) perceptions and interpretations - all indeed of the above; objective reality. It is this very conglomerated blend that IS consciousness, of the two realms; objective and subjective conjoined, that renders the individual interpretation as so utterly convincing to each.
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