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Post by berlake on Oct 17, 2013 6:55:20 GMT -5
Has anyone actually read the internet censorship article!? It says that the filters will be set to "on" by default, but that they can be turned off. It's hardly "Big Brother..." What's worse: having horrific misinformation and graphic imagery allowed by default (so a child can stumble upon it), or having the choice to unblock the filter on one of your devices so you can watch people stick their c**ks into every orifice in the human body and read about how the U.S. Dollar is representative of the Illuminati's involvement in the foundation of America? Internet is a huge threat to the monopoly of information of regimes. Regimes can't survive without propaganda. The mainstream media is already lost, they are just stupid propaganda channels. The internet is the only free space left and will not remain so for long. Censorship comes in small steps. First they need to build the infrastructure. They justify this step with fighting against things like terrorism and child pornography etc. And then step by step they expand the censorship to other areas until even basic free speech is regulated like in China and North Korea. Look at the history of internet censorship and you will see the same tactic used every time. If at first their censorship bill doesn't succeed then they will vote again and again, and start one propaganda wave after another until they succeed. Comparing Western Europe with China and North Korea doesn't seem very realistic to me. Are you seriously suggesting that we are teetering towards totalitarianism?
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Post by berlake on Oct 17, 2013 6:57:12 GMT -5
[quote author=" berlake" source="/post/156379/thread" I can guarantee.....perhaps An attempt at guarantee? [/quote]
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Post by berlake on Oct 17, 2013 6:59:07 GMT -5
[quote author=" berlake" source="/post/156379/thread" I can guarantee.....perhaps An attempt at guarantee? My bad - of course I can guarantee nothing. Just a figure of speech; but I forget how sharp the thought police are around here...
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 17, 2013 7:16:45 GMT -5
Comparing Western Europe with China and North Korea doesn't seem very realistic to me. Are you seriously suggesting that we are teetering towards totalitarianism? Big Brother is not a threat. It is unfortunately a reality. Fact is that there is a gigantic spying infrastructure (NSA, five eyes, and they cooperate with most western secret intelligence agencies) that is far bigger than we feared. At first they said that with the help of their spying systems they prevented fifty or so terror attacks, then, quietly, they corrected the number down to one or two, which of course means zero. So, what do you think it's used for? Just read history and the latest developments with a bit of common sense and it will be obvious.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Oct 17, 2013 7:22:22 GMT -5
In all computers there is already available a function to block any offensive content (porn etc) which parents can use to protect their children. There is cheap software that is easy to use and can regulate to the last detail what can be accessed and what can't. So to censor the internet to protect children is bs, parents can already do that on their own. It also doesn't prevent child pornography or whatever because if it is present on the internet then there are easy ways to work around the censorship, and the fact is that most of it is being shared offline anyways. Instead all their efforts is to get public consent to install the infrastructure and then the censorship step by step will be expanded.
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Post by berlake on Oct 17, 2013 7:22:22 GMT -5
Comparing Western Europe with China and North Korea doesn't seem very realistic to me. Are you seriously suggesting that we are teetering towards totalitarianism? Big Brother is not a threat. It is unfortunately a reality. Fact is that there is a gigantic spying infrastructure (NSA, five eyes, and they cooperate with most western secret intelligence agencies) that is far bigger than we feared. At first they said that with the help of their spying systems they prevented fifty or so terror attacks, then, quietly, they corrected the number down to one or two, which of course means zero. So, what do you think it's used for? Just read history and the latest developments with a bit of common sense and it will be obvious. You know what? I'm going to have to admit to being out of my depth here, so it would be arrogant of me to comment. I guess part of me still believes that there are people in power who aren't entirely nefarious in their intentions; but it wouldn't be the first time naivetee got the better of me!
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Post by desertrat on Oct 17, 2013 10:54:44 GMT -5
When I made this post I was going by what others had stated about this bill in the U.K. . I was un able to find a copy of the bill posted on line. I did find this , it states in part that it is not well supported and probly will not go in to law . www.edri.org/edrigram/number10.7/uk-porn-bill-draftSomething much worse hear in the USA is sb 1867 . Under the charge of being a terrorist any US citizen can be put in jail with out trail or any real charges . www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2813837/postsThat post is old , this did go in to effect . Even Mit Romney stated when he was running for prez. stated he would not try to get rid of this law .
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Post by acewall on Oct 17, 2013 18:33:02 GMT -5
My bad - of course I can guarantee nothing. Just a figure of speech; but I forget how sharp the thought police are around here... thus we can help-each other make minor adjustments with our individual appreciation of conciousness. No bad, all good!
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Post by berlake on Oct 18, 2013 9:43:36 GMT -5
My bad - of course I can guarantee nothing. Just a figure of speech; but I forget how sharp the thought police are around here... thus we can help-each other make minor adjustments with our individual appreciation of conciousness. No bad, all good!I must say, though, that a figure of speech is just that - it's not meant to be taken literally. It's like when someone says "f**k me!" in response to something surprising or shocking. They don't generally mean that they want someone to f**k them at that precise moment... It's interesting how many people seem to want to do that around here, though: f**k someone when they're not really asking for it (metaphorically speaking, of course)... I feel like I should say something in response to your post like, "but an individual cannot possibly appreciate consciousness; and what is consciousness anyway?" I think I might start to fit in then. And then I'd feel so much better. I could actually begin to really dig what wonderful power most of the senior members are evidently endowed with. It must take something pretty remarkable to know when someone you've never met or spoken to needs to be hit with a blunt instrument to awaken them from their "dogmatic slumber" (again, metaphorically speaking). But then I guess "ego bashing" (which I must confess seems a little like a thinly veiled excuse to p**s on each other's ideas and expressiveness) is a mutually accepted modus operandi which forum members automatically sign up for when they dare to make a post... I'm sorry. I'm not like this usually. I'm just finding it increasingly difficult to take a lot of what I am being "helped" to see seriously. I should just leave this forum, but there's something strangely addictive about being caught up in it. For the record, I've got no moral high ground to stand on. I'm an ordinary person, wide asleep and terribly confused. I'm full of shame, fear and hope. And I find it terribly disappointing and - yes - quite painful when people presume to know that it is for my benefit to try and cut arbitrary slices into my individualistic consciousness. I'm already hammering away at it from the inside (go ahead and highlight and deconstruct that little paradox, too, if it makes you feel better). Your pocket knives are just irritating; they don't really help. If I was talking about how exactly I am oriented towards the idea of Enlightenment or Truth or whatever the hell I can call it without someone telling me I am "objectifying" the thing everyone is here to discuss (with words, which are objects), then I would probably be inviting some input in that direction. I would welcome it. But I haven't got that far yet because I get the distinct impression it would be like asking a Grizzly bear to help me with my bow tie while I've got raw salmon in my shirt pocket. Thanks, though! Good looking out... (And now I have become the thing I loathe. Oh, the irony...)
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 16:49:00 GMT -5
thus we can help-each other make minor adjustments with our individual appreciation of conciousness. No bad, all good!I must say, though, that a figure of speech is just that - it's not meant to be taken literally. It's like when someone says "f**k me!" in response to something surprising or shocking. They don't generally mean that they want someone to f**k them at that precise moment... It's interesting how many people seem to want to do that around here, though: f**k someone when they're not really asking for it (metaphorically speaking, of course)... I feel like I should say something in response to your post like, "but an individual cannot possibly appreciate consciousness; and what is consciousness anyway?" I think I might start to fit in then. And then I'd feel so much better. I could actually begin to really dig what wonderful power most of the senior members are evidently endowed with. It must take something pretty remarkable to know when someone you've never met or spoken to needs to be hit with a blunt instrument to awaken them from their "dogmatic slumber" (again, metaphorically speaking). But then I guess "ego bashing" (which I must confess seems a little like a thinly veiled excuse to p**s on each other's ideas and expressiveness) is a mutually accepted modus operandi which forum members automatically sign up for when they dare to make a post... I'm sorry. I'm not like this usually. I'm just finding it increasingly difficult to take a lot of what I am being "helped" to see seriously. I should just leave this forum, but there's something strangely addictive about being caught up in it. For the record, I've got no moral high ground to stand on. I'm an ordinary person, wide asleep and terribly confused. I'm full of shame, fear and hope. And I find it terribly disappointing and - yes - quite painful when people presume to know that it is for my benefit to try and cut arbitrary slices into my individualistic consciousness. I'm already hammering away at it from the inside (go ahead and highlight and deconstruct that little paradox, too, if it makes you feel better). Your pocket knives are just irritating; they don't really help. If I was talking about how exactly I am oriented towards the idea of Enlightenment or Truth or whatever the hell I can call it without someone telling me I am "objectifying" the thing everyone is here to discuss (with words, which are objects), then I would probably be inviting some input in that direction. I would welcome it. But I haven't got that far yet because I get the distinct impression it would be like asking a Grizzly bear to help me with my bow tie while I've got raw salmon in my shirt pocket. Thanks, though! Good looking out... ( And now I have become the thing I loathe. Oh, the irony...) I was noticing that too.
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Post by berlake on Oct 18, 2013 18:29:15 GMT -5
I must say, though, that a figure of speech is just that - it's not meant to be taken literally. It's like when someone says "f**k me!" in response to something surprising or shocking. They don't generally mean that they want someone to f**k them at that precise moment... It's interesting how many people seem to want to do that around here, though: f**k someone when they're not really asking for it (metaphorically speaking, of course)... I feel like I should say something in response to your post like, "but an individual cannot possibly appreciate consciousness; and what is consciousness anyway?" I think I might start to fit in then. And then I'd feel so much better. I could actually begin to really dig what wonderful power most of the senior members are evidently endowed with. It must take something pretty remarkable to know when someone you've never met or spoken to needs to be hit with a blunt instrument to awaken them from their "dogmatic slumber" (again, metaphorically speaking). But then I guess "ego bashing" (which I must confess seems a little like a thinly veiled excuse to p**s on each other's ideas and expressiveness) is a mutually accepted modus operandi which forum members automatically sign up for when they dare to make a post... I'm sorry. I'm not like this usually. I'm just finding it increasingly difficult to take a lot of what I am being "helped" to see seriously. I should just leave this forum, but there's something strangely addictive about being caught up in it. For the record, I've got no moral high ground to stand on. I'm an ordinary person, wide asleep and terribly confused. I'm full of shame, fear and hope. And I find it terribly disappointing and - yes - quite painful when people presume to know that it is for my benefit to try and cut arbitrary slices into my individualistic consciousness. I'm already hammering away at it from the inside (go ahead and highlight and deconstruct that little paradox, too, if it makes you feel better). Your pocket knives are just irritating; they don't really help. If I was talking about how exactly I am oriented towards the idea of Enlightenment or Truth or whatever the hell I can call it without someone telling me I am "objectifying" the thing everyone is here to discuss (with words, which are objects), then I would probably be inviting some input in that direction. I would welcome it. But I haven't got that far yet because I get the distinct impression it would be like asking a Grizzly bear to help me with my bow tie while I've got raw salmon in my shirt pocket. Thanks, though! Good looking out... ( And now I have become the thing I loathe. Oh, the irony...) I was noticing that too. I'm sorry - really. I don't mean to single you out for my tirade. I'm just a bit fed up with the incessant one-upmanship. Feels a bit like a closed circle in this forum...
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Post by acewall on Oct 18, 2013 20:07:11 GMT -5
thus we can help-each other make minor adjustments with our individual appreciation of conciousness. No bad, all good!I must say, though, that a figure of speech is just that - it's not meant to be taken literally. It's like when someone says "f**k me!" in response to something surprising or shocking. They don't generally mean that they want someone to f**k them at that precise moment... It's interesting how many people seem to want to do that around here, though: f**k someone when they're not really asking for it (metaphorically speaking, of course)... I feel like I should say something in response to your post like, "but an individual cannot possibly appreciate consciousness; and what is consciousness anyway?" I think I might start to fit in then. And then I'd feel so much better. I could actually begin to really dig what wonderful power most of the senior members are evidently endowed with. It must take something pretty remarkable to know when someone you've never met or spoken to needs to be hit with a blunt instrument to awaken them from their "dogmatic slumber" (again, metaphorically speaking). But then I guess "ego bashing" (which I must confess seems a little like a thinly veiled excuse to p**s on each other's ideas and expressiveness) is a mutually accepted modus operandi which forum members automatically sign up for when they dare to make a post... I'm sorry. I'm not like this usually. I'm just finding it increasingly difficult to take a lot of what I am being "helped" to see seriously. I should just leave this forum, but there's something strangely addictive about being caught up in it. For the record, I've got no moral high ground to stand on. I'm an ordinary person, wide asleep and terribly confused. I'm full of shame, fear and hope. And I find it terribly disappointing and - yes - quite painful when people presume to know that it is for my benefit to try and cut arbitrary slices into my individualistic consciousness. I'm already hammering away at it from the inside (go ahead and highlight and deconstruct that little paradox, too, if it makes you feel better). Your pocket knives are just irritating; they don't really help. If I was talking about how exactly I am oriented towards the idea of Enlightenment or Truth or whatever the hell I can call it without someone telling me I am "objectifying" the thing everyone is here to discuss (with words, which are objects), then I would probably be inviting some input in that direction. I would welcome it. But I haven't got that far yet because I get the distinct impression it would be like asking a Grizzly bear to help me with my bow tie while I've got raw salmon in my shirt pocket. Thanks, though! Good looking out... (And now I have become the thing I loathe. Oh, the irony...) like, talking our-self into it which occurs so that we can see how attachment happens?
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Post by enigma on Oct 18, 2013 21:29:19 GMT -5
I was noticing that too. I'm sorry - really. I don't mean to single you out for my tirade. I'm just a bit fed up with the incessant one-upmanship. Feels a bit like a closed circle in this forum... It's okay.
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Post by berlake on Oct 20, 2013 7:47:54 GMT -5
I must say, though, that a figure of speech is just that - it's not meant to be taken literally. It's like when someone says "f**k me!" in response to something surprising or shocking. They don't generally mean that they want someone to f**k them at that precise moment... It's interesting how many people seem to want to do that around here, though: f**k someone when they're not really asking for it (metaphorically speaking, of course)... I feel like I should say something in response to your post like, "but an individual cannot possibly appreciate consciousness; and what is consciousness anyway?" I think I might start to fit in then. And then I'd feel so much better. I could actually begin to really dig what wonderful power most of the senior members are evidently endowed with. It must take something pretty remarkable to know when someone you've never met or spoken to needs to be hit with a blunt instrument to awaken them from their "dogmatic slumber" (again, metaphorically speaking). But then I guess "ego bashing" (which I must confess seems a little like a thinly veiled excuse to p**s on each other's ideas and expressiveness) is a mutually accepted modus operandi which forum members automatically sign up for when they dare to make a post... I'm sorry. I'm not like this usually. I'm just finding it increasingly difficult to take a lot of what I am being "helped" to see seriously. I should just leave this forum, but there's something strangely addictive about being caught up in it. For the record, I've got no moral high ground to stand on. I'm an ordinary person, wide asleep and terribly confused. I'm full of shame, fear and hope. And I find it terribly disappointing and - yes - quite painful when people presume to know that it is for my benefit to try and cut arbitrary slices into my individualistic consciousness. I'm already hammering away at it from the inside (go ahead and highlight and deconstruct that little paradox, too, if it makes you feel better). Your pocket knives are just irritating; they don't really help. If I was talking about how exactly I am oriented towards the idea of Enlightenment or Truth or whatever the hell I can call it without someone telling me I am "objectifying" the thing everyone is here to discuss (with words, which are objects), then I would probably be inviting some input in that direction. I would welcome it. But I haven't got that far yet because I get the distinct impression it would be like asking a Grizzly bear to help me with my bow tie while I've got raw salmon in my shirt pocket. Thanks, though! Good looking out... (And now I have become the thing I loathe. Oh, the irony...) like, talking our-self into it which occurs so that we can see how attachment happens? I'm sorry - I don't understand. Could you clarify, please?
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Post by acewall on Oct 20, 2013 10:01:48 GMT -5
Was a question asking if, You had gotten yourself attached in describing that which you saw, in another. Maybe not, it was a question in regards to the end of your post(And now I have become the thing I loathe. Oh, the irony...)
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