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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 4:08:54 GMT -5
Post by Peter on Oct 7, 2013 4:08:54 GMT -5
You sent a message to a banned account, that I could only access after you unbanned it, which I then replied to ;-) in any case, whats done is done I sent it some time before I banned your account and assumed that you'd see it via email (which is the default setting). You didn't. My bad. Still, not a problem for you was it? Just create another couple of accounts and carry on. Shawn forwarded me the PM you sent him complaining about my behaviour, so that's another thing that's taken up 30 minutes of my time responding to. To answer your accusation, yes it is personal. When you had a blow-up last year you flooded this board with spam that took ZD quite a long time to clear up, so I'm particularly twitchy about erratic work-creating behaviour in your case. Hence the temp-ban now, sort it out later approach. Additionally, he informed me about your application to be a moderator. In some ways, I'd like you to have the job so you can appreciate how it's next to impossible to stop "bickering" when 90% of the participants are involved in the drama. Leaving in disgust then coming back and leaving again in disgust 4 times in 24hrs is an example of drama. I've given up telling people who boast that they've "Got It" that they haven't Got It, but I do still find the juxtaposition of how they present themselves with how I perceive them to be quite jarring. Like a splinter in the brain. You claiming things like you "reside in alert still silent empty nature without getting absorbed in the mind movements that still arise" is an example of something I find jarring. Also, deleting your posts thereby rendering threads completely nonsensical. I mean, it's then obvious that you do not stand by your words and are at some level embarrassed by what you've written, yes? Those posts of yours do not match up with this ideal image you hold of yourself, and so they have to go. Your complaints to both me and Shawn about something as short-term as a week temp ban that you took seconds to side-step anyway is evidence of you NOT residing in still silent empty nature, Samadhi, through the gateless gate and out past the 7th dhyana, etc etc. As long as my sense of you is that you're presenting an image that you want to be true ahead of making an effort to dig down and find out what is really true, I will not be supporting your application.
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 4:51:32 GMT -5
Post by acewall on Oct 7, 2013 4:51:32 GMT -5
You sent a message to a banned account, that I could only access after you unbanned it, which I then replied to ;-) in any case, whats done is done I sent it some time before I banned your account and assumed that you'd see it via email (which is the default setting). You didn't. My bad. Still, not a problem for you was it? Just create another couple of accounts and carry on. Shawn forwarded me the PM you sent him complaining about my behaviour, so that's another thing that's taken up 30 minutes of my time responding to. To answer your accusation, yes it is personal. When you had a blow-up last year you flooded this board with spam that took ZD quite a long time to clear up, so I'm particularly twitchy about erratic work-creating behaviour in your case. Hence the temp-ban now, sort it out later approach. Additionally, he informed me about your application to be a moderator. In some ways, I'd like you to have the job so you can appreciate how it's next to impossible to stop "bickering" when 90% of the participants are involved in the drama. Leaving in disgust then coming back and leaving again in disgust 4 times in 24hrs is an example of drama. I've given up telling people who boast that they've "Got It" that they haven't Got It, but I do still find the juxtaposition of how they present themselves with how I perceive them to be quite jarring. Like a splinter in the brain. You claiming things like you "reside in alert still silent empty nature without getting absorbed in the mind movements that still arise" is an example of something I find jarring. Also, deleting your posts thereby rendering threads completely nonsensical. I mean, it's then obvious that you do not stand by your words and are at some level embarrassed by what you've written, yes? Those posts of yours do not match up with this ideal image you hold of yourself, and so they have to go. Your complaints to both me and Shawn about something as short-term as a week temp ban that you took seconds to side-step anyway is evidence of you NOT residing in still silent empty nature, Samadhi, through the gateless gate and out past the 7th dhyana, etc etc. As long as my sense of you is that you're presenting an image that you want to be true ahead of making an effort to dig down and find out what is really true, I will not be supporting your application. Cor, Peter. splinters in the brain aside, might be a good reason to drop into your heart? Give him Steve the job(if he wants it!) I've had my time being daddy with squabbling-kids all wanting to be right. peace Peter!
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 6:57:08 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 6:57:08 GMT -5
Cor, Peter. splinters in the brain aside, might be a good reason to drop into your heart? Give him Steve the job(if he wants it!)I've had my time being daddy with squabbling-kids all wanting to be right. peace Peter! View Attachmentugh love steve but ugh my wife sees problems everywhere she looks too ugh
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 7:09:47 GMT -5
Post by acewall on Oct 7, 2013 7:09:47 GMT -5
Cor, Peter. splinters in the brain aside, might be a good reason to drop into your heart? Give him Steve the job(if he wants it!)I've had my time being daddy with squabbling-kids all wanting to be right. peace Peter! View Attachmentugh love steve but ugh my wife sees problems everywhere she looks too ugh Roshi suggested, 'marry a small woman as they're better husband beaters.'
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 9:51:35 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 9:51:35 GMT -5
I'm wondering why, once you got the gist of the complaints, you couldn't just fire off a message to Steve letting him know that and not even bother reading the rest. Unfortunately the forum software flags up to me when there's a reported post and then it stays on a queue which I have to go into and say some comment and then go back into it to archive them out of the queue. I haven't seen an option for just deleting a bunch of them out of hand, but I'll check the drop downs again. I did send Steve a message, but he hadn't read it by the time I had to leave for the day. I didn't know it was so complicated.
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 9:54:04 GMT -5
Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 9:54:04 GMT -5
I think it wouldn't take but a couple extra seconds to give me a message explaining that each flag initiates a protocol thats time consuming to deal with. I sent you such a message Steve, on the 4th of October. You've since replied to that PM, so I'm a little surprised to see you encouraging me to do something that I was already doing. You also reported an additional 5 posts AFTER I started a dialog with you questioning your motives in reporting the 1st post. That's why I hit the temp-ban button, because you hadn't stopped reporting posts even after you knew I was looking into it. The fact that - in this case....as is true of most cases - there was nothing I was going to be able to do with your complaint.....is just all part of life's rich tapestry. Okay, now I get it.
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 13:29:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 13:29:14 GMT -5
As an aside Peter....you're being kind of a Negative Nelly lately....cheer up bro...a little optimism isn't such a bad thing :-)
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 14:39:51 GMT -5
Post by desertrat on Oct 7, 2013 14:39:51 GMT -5
You could do what I do . I am a member of a number of forums , I try my best to work with the other members . I am not a member of this forum , but you might be more at home there www.cracked.com/forums/ I had a list of other forums on the Pavlina forum , but thats gone now. I started a list of other forums on this site , but its in a members only sec. www.spiritualforums.com/vb/ Dont join and create problems or they will kick you out. I can post a few of the links hear if asked .
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 15:50:44 GMT -5
Post by quinn on Oct 7, 2013 15:50:44 GMT -5
I sent it some time before I banned your account and assumed that you'd see it via email (which is the default setting). You didn't. My bad. Still, not a problem for you was it? Just create another couple of accounts and carry on. Shawn forwarded me the PM you sent him complaining about my behaviour, so that's another thing that's taken up 30 minutes of my time responding to. To answer your accusation, yes it is personal. When you had a blow-up last year you flooded this board with spam that took ZD quite a long time to clear up, so I'm particularly twitchy about erratic work-creating behaviour in your case. Hence the temp-ban now, sort it out later approach. Additionally, he informed me about your application to be a moderator. In some ways, I'd like you to have the job so you can appreciate how it's next to impossible to stop "bickering" when 90% of the participants are involved in the drama. Leaving in disgust then coming back and leaving again in disgust 4 times in 24hrs is an example of drama. I've given up telling people who boast that they've "Got It" that they haven't Got It, but I do still find the juxtaposition of how they present themselves with how I perceive them to be quite jarring. Like a splinter in the brain. You claiming things like you "reside in alert still silent empty nature without getting absorbed in the mind movements that still arise" is an example of something I find jarring. Also, deleting your posts thereby rendering threads completely nonsensical. I mean, it's then obvious that you do not stand by your words and are at some level embarrassed by what you've written, yes? Those posts of yours do not match up with this ideal image you hold of yourself, and so they have to go. Your complaints to both me and Shawn about something as short-term as a week temp ban that you took seconds to side-step anyway is evidence of you NOT residing in still silent empty nature, Samadhi, through the gateless gate and out past the 7th dhyana, etc etc. As long as my sense of you is that you're presenting an image that you want to be true ahead of making an effort to dig down and find out what is really true, I will not be supporting your application. A moderator should not seek to steer the general flow of conversation, but this does not preclude the moderator from being able to spot the kinds of post that tend to deteriorate the conversation into personal bickering. Hello Peter, Dunno why you cling so hard to the past, but letting go can be very cathartic. In any case, this forum is not so hard to moderate my friend. If you have even a bit of sensitivity you can see which posts by whom and directed at whom are for the sole purpose of poking and jabbing, and which ones are just a bit of humor. If you don't want to be moderator then don't be one.....I don't understand how you are not able to manage the conversation here in such a way as to eliminate the bickering, jabbing, and poking that derails the conversation here into the land of the boring "you said/he-she said. People are inherently flexible and adaptable, so a week or so of commited moderation would be all ot would take to shift the tone of conversation that often prrevails here. I can see very clearly how to do it, dunno why you can't. If you don't want to be bothered by the job of moderator, then don't be moderator....dunno why you put yourself through it if you don't want to? A moderator should not seek to steer the conversation here in any specific direction, which I think you've tried and failed at in the past, but the moderator can fairly easily identify and do something about posts that tend to deteriorate the conversation into personal bickering. I didn't see any personal jabs or pokes in the posts you were complaining about. Moderating isn't easy - everyone sees something different. You, for instance, see personal jabs every time someone says something negative about the quest for Samadhi. I, no doubt, see them somewhere else. The thread in question was not derailed by anything except your complaints. And this post of yours that I'm responding to is beyond arrogant.
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 16:40:31 GMT -5
Post by silence on Oct 7, 2013 16:40:31 GMT -5
I can easily see Steve pushing the matter to the point where he's just banned all over again.
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Peter
Oct 7, 2013 16:48:54 GMT -5
Post by silence on Oct 7, 2013 16:48:54 GMT -5
I can easily see Steve pushing the matter to the point where he's just banned all over again. Thats no big deal....if the talking circle here is thoughtful open and considerate then its a nice place to have a talk, if its place of bickering poking and jabbing then its not... It's not a big deal to you because you have multiple IP's to circumvent any type of action.
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Peter
Oct 8, 2013 5:36:00 GMT -5
Post by Reefs on Oct 8, 2013 5:36:00 GMT -5
I have no idea why Steve and Question are still allowed to post here after all that happened.
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Peter
Oct 8, 2013 5:56:11 GMT -5
Post by quinn on Oct 8, 2013 5:56:11 GMT -5
I have no idea why Steve and Question are still allowed to post here after all that happened. Because it wasn't a big deal. All they did was be annoying and now they stopped. The banning isn't what matters, it's the stopping.
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Peter
Oct 8, 2013 10:00:36 GMT -5
Post by desertrat on Oct 8, 2013 10:00:36 GMT -5
There are lots of this kind of inter net forum/board/site . I think if Steve looked he could find one where more of the members agreed with him . I have looked through a lot of different forums/boards some I like , some I just dont understand . What I do is use dog pile for a search site , and opera as a browser . I save sites on speed dial . Dream Studio Ubuntu Linux is my operating system , I like Linux over windows . distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=dreamstudiowww.dogpile.com/www.opera.com/
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Peter
Oct 8, 2013 16:19:26 GMT -5
Post by silence on Oct 8, 2013 16:19:26 GMT -5
It's not a big deal to you because you have multiple IP's to circumvent any type of action. Haha....that too, in that if banned for just cause then I abode by the ruling, but if banned for personal reasons then I may or may not abide by the ban. In other words, you're the final decision maker on whether you get banned?
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