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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 22:55:47 GMT -5
cocaine is an addicting substance. some may find it so and others not. obviously, it sucked him in. was his invention of ego before or after his jaunt into cocaine? I don't properly remember, alfio. I think if it was before, he still was developing his concept of 'ego' during his years of cocaine use.
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 22:57:07 GMT -5
cocaine is an addicting substance. some may find it so and others not. obviously, it sucked him in. Haha, "Ego" seems to be the TMT creation of a guy hopped on a little white horse lol Having said that, there is this kind of survival instinct of "selfhood" that only gets more subtle as the person refines, but never leaves while the person remains. I like the idea of just calling it that foolish part of us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 23:06:08 GMT -5
was his invention of ego before or after his jaunt into cocaine? I don't properly remember, alfio. I think if it was before, he still was developing his concept of 'ego' during his years of cocaine use. drug-use i find interesting. Here, in Australia the British Colony passed a law(towards the end of 1800,s) disallowing Aboriginal access to Opium. Maybe drugs are not good for dreamers?I'm still researching that one. Hope to catch up with the drift next call. Thank you for communicating.
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 23:40:49 GMT -5
A philosophy, a religion, a concept, a belief, even non-duality is a different kind of beautiful than a nest full of robin's eggs or sunset on the ocean or a double rainbow after a storm. In some ways yes, and yet, if you allow it, without the judgements and assessments that we are want to take up, then all things have the same kind of beauty. Frequently I will sit or walk, and just open to being aware of the Grace of God, and kinda open myself and feel the Grace of God filling me and perfusing me....in that perspective, ALL things and happenings have an unspeakable beauty that is equal both in quality and quantity. So perspective has much to do with it... But as you say, from another perspective, a double rainbow is a different kind of beauty than philosophical contemplation....but is this because the inherent beauty is different, or is it because when you are witnessing a double rainbow in a state of quiet gratitude you are more receptive to beauty? You can be that quiet and grateful and receptive to beauty in any moment, with any experience ;-) I agree. Beauty arises from an internal emptiness that has no need to make it other than it is. I also agree that what is most often called beauty is that same witnessing that has found it's way in the absence of anything that says otherwise. To come empty to life is to know the beauty at the heart of all life, in it's essence.
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 23:44:40 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning If a word is used, it obviously has meaning at least to the user. You might not like what it means, but that doesn't mean it has no meaning.
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 23:50:16 GMT -5
Of course, but what is your point? That all things have beauty, no need for any of them, nor need to attach to them, and that they all have a source, my preference is to give attention to the source, rather than focus on the phenomena that flow from the source. By keeping attention on the source of breakdowns, sunsets, and child birth, one actualizes into the beauty in each in an absolute oneness with limit. Okay, whatever.
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 23:55:16 GMT -5
Shifting attention, two things are noticed: (1)A cornucopia of sensations including a lingering questioning state; and (2) somesortof presence, being, exisiting (?), knowingness. The question 'who is shifting attention?' presupposes a who doing the shifting. To answer the question requires a temporary adornment of a who to say who. I was talking in the context of what Niz said: I thought it was illegal to work on illusions. I thought everybody was sposed to avoid mind at all cost.
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 23:56:04 GMT -5
ego is just a word with absolutely NO meaning If a word is used, it obviously has meaning at least to the user. You might not like what it means, but that doesn't mean it has no meaning. Yeah I know but people don't realize just how misconceived that particular idea is. Gets 'em off on really crazy tangents.
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Post by enigma on Oct 1, 2013 23:58:42 GMT -5
Mind is generally interested in avoiding doing anything about mind, which is understandable. If, by that you mean that mind is often avoiding doing anything about undoing itself, then I agree, but mind does seem to be interested in "improving" itself quite a lot...i.e. its capacity, and state of health, emotional stability and happiness etc... "Self" perpetuation and improvement seems to be an activity that mind is very content with :-) Sure, but of course neither of us was talking about that. We were talking about clearing vasanas.
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Post by silver on Oct 1, 2013 23:59:51 GMT -5
I was talking in the context of what Niz said: I thought it was illegal to work on illusions. I thought everybody was sposed to avoid mind at all cost. The watcher would have to have a mind to do all that figurin' and manipulatin'.
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Post by enigma on Oct 2, 2013 0:06:38 GMT -5
cocaine is an addicting substance. some may find it so and others not. obviously, it sucked him in. Haha, "Ego" seems to be the TMT creation of a guy hopped on a little white horse lol Having said that, there is this kind of survival instinct of "selfhood" that only gets more subtle as the person refines, but never leaves while the person remains. "selfhood" is ego. "The person" is ego. It's not complicated. Ego is the set of self identifying labels/ideas. Only egos are eager to make the idea of ego irrelevant.
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Post by enigma on Oct 2, 2013 0:11:17 GMT -5
If a word is used, it obviously has meaning at least to the user. You might not like what it means, but that doesn't mean it has no meaning. Yeah I know but people don't realize just how misconceived that particular idea is. Gets 'em off on really crazy tangents. Maybe so. There's lots of personal attachment to that word because of the personal meaning it holds, but that's no reason to decide it doesn't mean anything.
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Post by enigma on Oct 2, 2013 0:13:39 GMT -5
I thought it was illegal to work on illusions. I thought everybody was sposed to avoid mind at all cost. The watcher would have to have a mind to do all that figurin' and manipulatin'. No figurin or manipulatin was implied.
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Post by silver on Oct 2, 2013 0:21:13 GMT -5
The watcher would have to have a mind to do all that figurin' and manipulatin'. No figurin or manipulatin was implied. Niz most certainly did.
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Post by silver on Oct 2, 2013 0:24:27 GMT -5
Haha, "Ego" seems to be the TMT creation of a guy hopped on a little white horse lol Having said that, there is this kind of survival instinct of "selfhood" that only gets more subtle as the person refines, but never leaves while the person remains. "selfhood" is ego. "The person" is ego. It's not complicated. Ego is the set of self identifying labels/ideas. Only egos are eager to make the idea of ego irrelevant. Egos can't help but be irrelevant because there really is no such thing. Just as there are no unicorns.
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