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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 17:17:18 GMT -5
Okay, but thats a bit like saying your car is "pure car"....what kind of car is it? Advaita is an EXTREMELY broad tradition, with countless methods of Sadhana, Dharana, and Dhyana that includes most of the yogic, tantric, meditation methods under it's "umbrella".....Advaita Vedanta is so incredibly diverse that I can't imagine what "Pure Advaita" may be? Advaita is not like other traditions wherein they will espouse one type of method, Advaita is so diverse because people are so diverse, and there are different approaches based on what works for a specific person. I am asking because I was not able to find anything that Mr. Swartz teaches other than contemplation of the vedas and their meaning in one's life, and what they mean with regards to the nature of existence. So I ask: What I bring this up, because many western teachers of advaita have spent little or no time being a sanyasin trained by a teacher, and instead, they read the teachers books, which are usually only a commentary on the vedas, and one's nature....but this is only the tip of the iceberg of Advaita Vedanta. Contemplation and intellectual/emotional realization of one's true nature is only a beginning. Of the teachers listed at Mr. Swartz site, has he spent any time with them at all? If so was it more than just an introductory type retreat? Has any if those teachers named him as a fully realized teacher and authorized him to teach in their lineage? To be clear, even if the answer to all these questions are no, this would not preclude him from teaching IMHO, BUT one should be aware that he is only capable of teaching in so much as the depths that he has plumbed. Kinda like, if you don't know basic Math, then a High School math teacher is of great benefit to you, but if that high school math teacher tells you that their is no more math beyond what they are experienced in, and you have some interest in advanced math, then the teacher who was of benefit will eventually become a liability. I don't know if any of this is accurate about Mr. Swartz, thats why I am asking you questions. Your own posts, when you say things like Samadhi is an irrelevant experience, and if one simply contemplates the vedas and themselves and accept fully what is written, indicate a lack of depth and breadth of experience in Advaita Vedanta....I am curious if this is a result of your teacher yelling you there is no more "math" available. So I ask: What methods does your teacher teach, other than contemplation? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 17:23:43 GMT -5
I see you qualifying the enlightenment state of others on a regular basis, and yet you sneer at at an enlightenment quiz. I think you both should be sneered at. Hehe. Can you provide an example in recent history where I have "qualified" anyone's enlightenment? I have never questioned anyone's "enlightenment" here ;-) What I've said, is that enlightenment, as its often defined in terms of the individual realizing their nature, is only a beginning, not an "end" so to speak. I have discussed the relevance of enlightenment as most people use the term these days, but never questioned pr qualified anyone's enlightenment ;-) |
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Post by enigma on Sept 28, 2013 18:51:08 GMT -5
I see you qualifying the enlightenment state of others on a regular basis, and yet you sneer at at an enlightenment quiz. I think you both should be sneered at. Hehe. Can you provide an example in recent history where I have "qualified" anyone's enlightenment? I have never questioned anyone's "enlightenment" here ;-) What I've said, is that enlightenment, as its often defined in terms of the individual realizing their nature, is only a beginning, not an "end" so to speak. I have discussed the relevance of enlightenment as most people use the term these days, but never questioned pr qualified anyone's enlightenment ;-) Whatever you call it that you qualify in others, like you're qualifying right now with schwartz. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 18:54:40 GMT -5
Can you provide an example in recent history where I have "qualified" anyone's enlightenment? I have never questioned anyone's "enlightenment" here ;-) What I've said, is that enlightenment, as its often defined in terms of the individual realizing their nature, is only a beginning, not an "end" so to speak. I have discussed the relevance of enlightenment as most people use the term these days, but never questioned pr qualified anyone's enlightenment ;-) Whatever you call it that you qualify in others, like you're qualifying right now with schwartz. I'm not "qualifying" Swartz "enlightenment", I take it as a given, I am saying there is a "further", and inquiring if Mr. Swartz discusses it with his students and helps guide them to it. In any case, its a pedantic point to argue over ;-) |
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Post by enigma on Sept 28, 2013 19:34:48 GMT -5
Whatever you call it that you qualify in others, like you're qualifying right now with schwartz. I'm not "qualifying" Swartz "enlightenment" I said "Whatever you call it that you qualify in others, like you're qualifying right now with schwartz." |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 20:29:37 GMT -5
I see you qualifying the enlightenment state of others on a regular basis, and yet you sneer at at an enlightenment quiz. I think you both should be sneered at. Hehe. "The Truth is that I am no one and nothing exists!" who wants others to sneer? The "I" that doesn't exist?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 21:20:49 GMT -5
I see you qualifying the enlightenment state of others on a regular basis, and yet you sneer at an enlightenment quiz. I think you both should be sneered at. Hehe. Well, to state the obvious....have you seen me sneer? or are you imagining it? how bout giving up the embellishment and what it implies, and just going with: I've seen you downplay enlightenment as a means, not and end :-) |
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Post by enigma on Sept 28, 2013 21:26:24 GMT -5
I see you qualifying the enlightenment state of others on a regular basis, and yet you sneer at at an enlightenment quiz. I think you both should be sneered at. Hehe. "The Truth is that I am no one and nothing exists!" who wants others to sneer? The "I" that doesn't exist? Now THAT'S neo-advaita.  |
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Post by enigma on Sept 28, 2013 21:34:24 GMT -5
I see you qualifying the enlightenment state of others on a regular basis, and yet you sneer at an enlightenment quiz. I think you both should be sneered at. Hehe. Well, to state the obvious....have you seen me sneer? or are you imagining it? how giving up the embellishment and what it implies, and just going with: I've seen you downplay enlightenment as a means, not and end :-) You didn't "downplay enlightenment", you laughed at the enlightenment quiz mockingly. Now you can either dissect 'mockingly' and work at distinguishing between laughing mockingly and sneering, or I can admit that I chose my words to emphasize my point and you sorta kinda sneered at the enlightenment quiz. You know, we don't have to argue over every choice of wording.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2013 22:05:01 GMT -5
Doubt: the status between belief and disbelief
before we drop into the sacred-heart,
the Home we were created with-in.
Egos that are afraid of being seen as an Idiot
need to stay-away from doubt,
as doubt delivers more so
than the church
can ever do.
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 28, 2013 23:57:41 GMT -5
Greetings.. I see you qualifying the enlightenment state of others on a regular basis, and yet you sneer at at an enlightenment quiz. I think you both should be sneered at. Hehe. "The Truth is that I am no one and nothing exists!" who wants others to sneer? The "I" that doesn't exist? You do exist, and 'truth' is an arbitrary set of values.. that you choose to believe otherwise, is proof of the you that chooses differently from the choices of others.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 0:05:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. "The Truth is that I am no one and nothing exists!" who wants others to sneer? The "I" that doesn't exist? You do exist, and 'truth' is an arbitrary set of values.. that you choose to believe otherwise, is proof of the you that chooses differently from the choices of others.. Be well.. You use you as though thou is speaking to me. Be brave |
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 29, 2013 0:18:02 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. You do exist, and 'truth' is an arbitrary set of values.. that you choose to believe otherwise, is proof of the you that chooses differently from the choices of others.. Be well.. You use you as though thou is speaking to me. Be brave Yes, and that 'you' can comprehend that 'you' are being spoken to, is sufficient evidence that 'you' are aware of 'you'.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 0:19:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. You use you as though thou is speaking to me. Be brave Yes, and that 'you' can comprehend that 'you' are being spoken to, is sufficient evidence that 'you' are aware of 'you'.. Be well.. so, then do you know what I am speaking of? First I quote a passage that is supposed to be spiritually....true "The Truth is that I am no one and nothing exists!" then in relation to enigma's post, "who wants others to sneer?" Asumming an answer for myself I post, "The "I" that doesn't exist?" Be brave. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 1:34:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. "The Truth is that I am no one and nothing exists!" who wants others to sneer? The "I" that doesn't exist? You do exist, and 'truth' is an arbitrary set of values.. that you choose to believe otherwise, is proof of the you that chooses differently from the choices of others.. Be well.. Yep You guys realize he IS actually right...right? One may realize that there is no self, and yet, the experience of a self remains. The only time the actual experience of a self goes away, is in Samadhi. For those of you that are still wondering what the point of Samadhi is....well, if you have experienced the liberation and wonder of the realization that there is no self, and that the self is just an illusion, multiply that infinitely when the actual experience of a self goes away. |
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