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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 22:04:45 GMT -5
Flowery beautiful feelgoodism.....this is a wonderful entertainment for the mind, and he is a wonderful entertainer, whatever people pay to listen to him or buy his stuff is worth the money, because he is adept at making you feel good. Everything about his tone of voice, his little stories, his mannerisms, his choice of words, his vocal cadence....are all calculated to sooth you, bring you peace, and in a way, get you drunk on the nectar of brain chemicals associated with this kind of thing...this is a wonderful drug if that is what you want.
but it is also like the Lotus that drew in Ulysses and his crew....and those tgat imbibe it are the Lotus Eaters, and very happily so.
This drug can be wonderful, and it may be so that humanity would be well served if everyone got drunk on thos flower of a man and his type.
But it is still a kind of sleep, a loss of conciousness, not an awakening.
Contrast this with folks like Niz whose speech patterns, cadence, and body mannerisms are more about alertness, and a kind of fire of wakefulness and attentiveness....there is no interest in telling flowery stories or being soothing....there is only talk of the effort needed to be awake and conscious and one with what is happening right now.
There are no flowery stories or soothing mannerisms, nor much talk about the nature of things, only direct speaking and a pointing of the way on how one might see for themselves and shed the illusions of the mind centered person.
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Post by quinn on Sept 17, 2013 22:15:00 GMT -5
And constantly seeking unity consciousness is the ultimate feelgoodism.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 0:10:49 GMT -5
And constantly seeking unity consciousness is the ultimate feelgoodism. Nah....feelgoodism happens when the individual is soothed and comforted...in Samadhi, soothing and comforting of the individual are irrelevant Said more plainly...feelgoodism is about making your mind feel good, Samadhi is a transformation where the individuated consciousness is dissolved into the whole. The mind feeling good is not really a factor in the latter...while the former is a sleeping dreaming limited version of awareness. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 18, 2013 4:43:18 GMT -5
Flowery beautiful feelgoodism.....this is a wonderful entertainment for the mind, and he is a wonderful entertainer, whatever people pay to listen to him or buy his stuff is worth the money, because he is adept at making you feel good. Everything about his tone of voice, his little stories, his mannerisms, his choice of words, his vocal cadence....are all calculated to sooth you, bring you peace, and in a way, get you drunk on the nectar of brain chemicals associated with this kind of thing...this is a wonderful drug if that is what you want. but it is also like the Lotus that drew in Ulysses and his crew....and those tgat imbibe it are the Lotus Eaters, and very happily so. This drug can be wonderful, and it may be so that humanity would be well served if everyone got drunk on thos flower of a man and his type. But it is still a kind of sleep, a loss of conciousness, not an awakening. Contrast this with folks like Niz whose speech patterns, cadence, and body mannerisms are more about alertness, and a kind of fire of wakefulness and attentiveness....there is no interest in telling flowery stories or being soothing....there is only talk of the effort needed to be awake and conscious and one with what is happening right now. There are no flowery stories or soothing mannerisms, nor much talk about the nature of things, only direct speaking and a pointing of the way on how one might see for themselves and shed the illusions of the mind centered person. An interesting question here is, where is the source of the calculation here, you or Mooji? Are these qualities that you list affected causes of Mooji's success or effects of how enlightened he is?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 8:22:25 GMT -5
Flowery beautiful feelgoodism.....this is a wonderful entertainment for the mind, and he is a wonderful entertainer, whatever people pay to listen to him or buy his stuff is worth the money, because he is adept at making you feel good. Everything about his tone of voice, his little stories, his mannerisms, his choice of words, his vocal cadence....are all calculated to sooth you, bring you peace, and in a way, get you drunk on the nectar of brain chemicals associated with this kind of thing...this is a wonderful drug if that is what you want. but it is also like the Lotus that drew in Ulysses and his crew....and those tgat imbibe it are the Lotus Eaters, and very happily so. This drug can be wonderful, and it may be so that humanity would be well served if everyone got drunk on thos flower of a man and his type. But it is still a kind of sleep, a loss of conciousness, not an awakening. Contrast this with folks like Niz whose speech patterns, cadence, and body mannerisms are more about alertness, and a kind of fire of wakefulness and attentiveness....there is no interest in telling flowery stories or being soothing....there is only talk of the effort needed to be awake and conscious and one with what is happening right now. There are no flowery stories or soothing mannerisms, nor much talk about the nature of things, only direct speaking and a pointing of the way on how one might see for themselves and shed the illusions of the mind centered person. An interesting question here is, where is the source of the calculation here, you or Mooji? Are these qualities that you list affected causes of Mooji's success or effects of how enlightened he is? I think it's great to be skeptical of style issues. It seems to me that Mooji and Adyashanti are just doing what they do, I doubt they're calculating how to use whatever soothing style to continue to keep folks in the seeking biz (especially they're biz). It's a personality thing. They happen to have charisma up the wazoo. There's also cultural conditioning/differences. Mooji has the whole rasta thing going on. Niz and the direct-speak schtick is not uncommon for a certain subset of Indians, whether they be dubbed superduperenlightened or just what is a good buy in the produce bin. I went to a TAT meeting last spring. It was nice to actually chat with some web personalities over oreos in kitchen. I really didn't get much of an energy transmission or anything. Maybe they're just not brimming over in that sense, or just not up to snuff on the Enlightened scale. Heck if I know. But the demystification element was nice, because it undercut some of the expectations I had going on. This is an internal game, in the end. Whatever works to get one back to that is good in my book. |
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Post by quinn on Sept 18, 2013 9:27:45 GMT -5
I think it's great to be skeptical of style issues. Why? I mean, once you're beyond being concerned about some kind of manipulation going on, why is there a need to be skeptical of style? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 9:35:50 GMT -5
I think it's great to be skeptical of style issues. Why? I mean, once you're beyond being concerned about some kind of manipulation going on, why is there a need to be skeptical of style? Oh I just said that to encourage the skepticism but I don't really concern myself with being manipulated that much, though I am open to it as a possibility. In the end, the messenger doesn't matter. It's the message we're working on. |
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Post by quinn on Sept 18, 2013 10:07:36 GMT -5
Why? I mean, once you're beyond being concerned about some kind of manipulation going on, why is there a need to be skeptical of style? Oh I just said that to encourage the skepticism but I don't really concern myself with being manipulated that much, though I am open to it as a possibility. In the end, the messenger doesn't matter. It's the message we're working on. Yes - the message of all the ones mentioned is: find out who you are. How they deliver that message is just a style issue. I toadally agree with you there. What I'm questioning is the skepticism part. When I asked why be skeptical, you said to encourage skepticism. So now I have to ask, why encourage it? You're making me work here, Max.  (I'm genuinely curious - this isn't some kind of set-up) |
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Post by Beingist on Sept 18, 2013 10:58:17 GMT -5
Oh I just said that to encourage the skepticism but I don't really concern myself with being manipulated that much, though I am open to it as a possibility. In the end, the messenger doesn't matter. It's the message we're working on. Yes - the message of all the ones mentioned is: find out who you are. How they deliver that message is just a style issue. I toadally agree with you there. What I'm questioning is the skepticism part. When I asked why be skeptical, you said to encourage skepticism. So now I have to ask, why encourage it? You're making me work here, Max. (I'm genuinely curious - this isn't some kind of set-up) Only way to 'find out who you are', is to BE who you are. But, then, that leaves nothing to find anything out. Dang, I love this stuff.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 13:39:22 GMT -5
Yes - the message of all the ones mentioned is: find out who you are. How they deliver that message is just a style issue. I toadally agree with you there. What I'm questioning is the skepticism part. When I asked why be skeptical, you said to encourage skepticism. So now I have to ask, why encourage it? You're making me work here, Max. (I'm genuinely curious - this isn't some kind of set-up) Only way to 'find out who you are', is to BE who you are. But, then, that leaves nothing to find anything out. Dang, I love this stuff. Yeah....a better question might be...Find out WHAT you are? But that still seems pointless in a way. As an aside, for what its worth, I'm not skeptical of style, I actually respect Mooji's skillfulness of style.....he's an entertainer as far as I'm concerned, but as far as "usefulness" goes on this path, he's fairly useless unless you ate looking to feel good and be entertained with a little bit of "tune in and drop out and feel the good vibes mon" "Cahmon ova ahnd I'll be tellin yah dah story bout da King dat became a greaate king by gettin tah knooow eemself mon" Haha.....its a dog & pony show....but a nice one though The only things that have ever accomplished anything profound or real for me on this path is Being, not doing, not knowing But Being Alertness, Being Awareness, Being Stillness....and the only way I've found that transcends the illusion of not being these things, is Alert, Aware, Stillness. |
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Post by Beingist on Sept 18, 2013 13:47:26 GMT -5
Only way to 'find out who you are', is to BE who you are. But, then, that leaves nothing to find anything out. Dang, I love this stuff. Yeah....a better question might be...Find out WHAT you are? But that still seems pointless in a way. As an aside, for what its worth, I'm not skeptical of style, I actually respect Mooji's skillfulness of style.....he's an entertainer as far as I'm concerned, but as far as "usefulness" goes on this path, he's fairly useless unless you ate looking to feel good and be entertained with a little bit of "tune in and drop out and feel the good vibes mon" "Cahmon ova ahnd I'll be tellin yah dah story bout da King dat became a greaate king by gettin tah knooow eemself mon" Haha.....its a dog & pony show....but a nice one though The only things that have ever accomplished anything profound or real for me on this path is Being, not doing, not knowing But Being Alertness, Being Awareness, Being Stillness....and the only way I've found that transcends the illusion of not being these things, is Alert, Aware, Stillness. Okey dokey. |
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Post by silence on Sept 18, 2013 15:41:33 GMT -5
Flowery beautiful feelgoodism.....this is a wonderful entertainment for the mind, and he is a wonderful entertainer, whatever people pay to listen to him or buy his stuff is worth the money, because he is adept at making you feel good. Everything about his tone of voice, his little stories, his mannerisms, his choice of words, his vocal cadence....are all calculated to sooth you, bring you peace, and in a way, get you drunk on the nectar of brain chemicals associated with this kind of thing...this is a wonderful drug if that is what you want. but it is also like the Lotus that drew in Ulysses and his crew....and those tgat imbibe it are the Lotus Eaters, and very happily so. This drug can be wonderful, and it may be so that humanity would be well served if everyone got drunk on thos flower of a man and his type. But it is still a kind of sleep, a loss of conciousness, not an awakening. Contrast this with folks like Niz whose speech patterns, cadence, and body mannerisms are more about alertness, and a kind of fire of wakefulness and attentiveness....there is no interest in telling flowery stories or being soothing....there is only talk of the effort needed to be awake and conscious and one with what is happening right now. There are no flowery stories or soothing mannerisms, nor much talk about the nature of things, only direct speaking and a pointing of the way on how one might see for themselves and shed the illusions of the mind centered person. Feelgoodism is a requirement for gathering up the paying patrons, there's no two ways about it. Whether it goes beyond that once they have them there is something else entirely. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 15:59:30 GMT -5
Flowery beautiful feelgoodism.....this is a wonderful entertainment for the mind, and he is a wonderful entertainer, whatever people pay to listen to him or buy his stuff is worth the money, because he is adept at making you feel good. Everything about his tone of voice, his little stories, his mannerisms, his choice of words, his vocal cadence....are all calculated to sooth you, bring you peace, and in a way, get you drunk on the nectar of brain chemicals associated with this kind of thing...this is a wonderful drug if that is what you want. but it is also like the Lotus that drew in Ulysses and his crew....and those tgat imbibe it are the Lotus Eaters, and very happily so. This drug can be wonderful, and it may be so that humanity would be well served if everyone got drunk on thos flower of a man and his type. But it is still a kind of sleep, a loss of conciousness, not an awakening. Contrast this with folks like Niz whose speech patterns, cadence, and body mannerisms are more about alertness, and a kind of fire of wakefulness and attentiveness....there is no interest in telling flowery stories or being soothing....there is only talk of the effort needed to be awake and conscious and one with what is happening right now. There are no flowery stories or soothing mannerisms, nor much talk about the nature of things, only direct speaking and a pointing of the way on how one might see for themselves and shed the illusions of the mind centered person. Feelgoodism is a requirement for gathering up the paying patrons, there's no two ways about it. Whether it goes beyond that once they have them there is something else entirely. Yeah As to the latter, I just haven't seen much besides the feelgoodism in their videos, could be that they go beyond feelgoodism, but if so, its drowned out by the feelgoodism entertainment machine. |
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Post by silence on Sept 18, 2013 16:08:56 GMT -5
Oh I just said that to encourage the skepticism but I don't really concern myself with being manipulated that much, though I am open to it as a possibility. In the end, the messenger doesn't matter. It's the message we're working on. Yes - the message of all the ones mentioned is: find out who you are. How they deliver that message is just a style issue. I toadally agree with you there. What I'm questioning is the skepticism part. When I asked why be skeptical, you said to encourage skepticism. So now I have to ask, why encourage it? You're making me work here, Max. (I'm genuinely curious - this isn't some kind of set-up) The ability to break things down into the lowest common denominator is often brought about by not suppressing one's skepticism which often goes hand and hand with what most would call common sense. It's not the ability to arrive at some sort of ultimate truth but it is the ability to not get carried away into seriously deep delusion and endless mental traps. The skeptical voice that I suspect most turn a blind eye to would ask what in the world someone is caught up in when they say they're on a spiritual search. What exactly are you doing watching some random guy talk about awareness and this and that? Of course I'm speaking generally about skepticism and not particularly to the style of a speaker. |
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Post by quinn on Sept 18, 2013 20:02:20 GMT -5
Yes - the message of all the ones mentioned is: find out who you are. How they deliver that message is just a style issue. I toadally agree with you there. What I'm questioning is the skepticism part. When I asked why be skeptical, you said to encourage skepticism. So now I have to ask, why encourage it? You're making me work here, Max. (I'm genuinely curious - this isn't some kind of set-up) The ability to break things down into the lowest common denominator is often brought about by not suppressing one's skepticism which often goes hand and hand with what most would call common sense. It's not the ability to arrive at some sort of ultimate truth but it is the ability to not get carried away into seriously deep delusion and endless mental traps. The skeptical voice that I suspect most turn a blind eye to would ask what in the world someone is caught up in when they say they're on a spiritual search. What exactly are you doing watching some random guy talk about awareness and this and that? Of course I'm speaking generally about skepticism and not particularly to the style of a speaker. Yeah, I'm a big fan of common sense. Skepticism could be put on a continuum, though, where at one end there's not much and you can get sucked into some weird stuff and on the other, everyone and everything is discounted or given a negative spin. There's a healthy skepticism level in there somewhere. Or at least a point where the skepticism gives way enough to let in something new. Skeptical has been a theme with Max - it's come up quite a few times. I was curious what his take is on it. And I'm curious about my own paddling around and where common sense sometimes gets in the way. |
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