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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 20:11:57 GMT -5
Saying the elongated sound of: uuuuuuuuuuuuu over and over will "tune you in" to Universal Sound, and open one into a shallow but deepeing Samadhi.
Almost every tradition in history has this as a kind of practice.
In the Bible when Moses is talking to the burning bush, God says that God's name is: "I am THAT I Am"
In aramaic that phrase is "Yahuwa" with the huuu heavily pronounced.
In almost all the Vedic traditions its a common tradition to intone the word Aum with the uuuuuuu drawn way out, as in Auuuuuuuuuuuuuum, to reach Samadhi, or opened union with undifferentiated existence, i.e. God Union
The Sufi's sit and intone Ya Allahuuuuuuuuuuu to reach Samadhi
Very close to Ya Allahu is the christian mystic equivalent which is Halleluya and folks will sit and intone Halleluuuuuuuuuuuuuyaaa and tune into Universal Sound and Samadhi
The Tibetans intone Auuuuuuuuuuum (often written as om) or they often sit saying Huuuuuuuuuuu over and over to open into Samadhi
The zen guys will meditate on the MU koan, but the way they do it is to clear the mind of all else but the sound of them saying Muuuuuuuuuuuuu over and over with a coreographed breath control.
Almost every tradition has a practice of using the uuuuuuuuu sound to tune in to, or center themselves in Universal Sound, which in turn opens one into their most essential state of consciousness.
As an aside.....there is more than just Universal "Sound"
There is also the equivalent in Universal Tactile experience, and Visual experience....all the five senses have their equivalent....and you have all experienced them througout your life....
More on that after dinner though ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 20:38:45 GMT -5
This afternoon on the internet I checked out "universal sound," "transcendental sound," "background sound," and other combinations of words that might be used to signify the sound that can be heard behind all other sounds, without success. I've always called it "universal sound" because somewhere I came across that phrase, and it seemed to be referring to what I hear any time I turn attention to non-conceptual listening. Recently I asked several people if they could hear the sound, and only one or two (out of nine or ten) seemed to know what I was talking about. The sound might be described as the sound of a thousand tiny crickets blended together into a continuous hum. It is always present, and it can be heard any time attention is turned to it. It is not an objectionable sound, and in the past I've used it as focus of ATA. After reading about tinnitus, I do not think it is a form of that affliction, but without having a simulation of the sound available as a recording, there's probably no way to know for sure. Most people who suffer from tinnitus consider what they hear highly objectionable and oftentimes debilitating. I became aware of the sound after I started meditating about thirty years ago, and I assumed that most people could hear the sound if it were described, and they listened for it, but apparently this is not the case. Today, Carol suggested that I ask the forum for some feedback, so I started this thread in an attempt to determine what other people experience in this regard. Hindus sometimes use the word "om" or "aum" as a symbol of universal vibratory sound, but I was unable to find anything specific that tied these words to a description of the sound itself. This is pure speculation, but perhaps the roaring sound that people hear when they hold a large seashell to their ear is what I call "universal sound" echoing in the shell and becoming magnified. Can anybody shed any light on this phenomena? How many people hear this sound? Your mind is looking for an explanation or a way to think about what is being perceived, trying to think about a sound that it has no conception for... We don't 'have' to think about everything...even though we do...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 20:42:52 GMT -5
This afternoon on the internet I checked out "universal sound," "transcendental sound," "background sound," and other combinations of words that might be used to signify the sound that can be heard behind all other sounds, without success. I've always called it "universal sound" because somewhere I came across that phrase, and it seemed to be referring to what I hear any time I turn attention to non-conceptual listening. Recently I asked several people if they could hear the sound, and only one or two (out of nine or ten) seemed to know what I was talking about. The sound might be described as the sound of a thousand tiny crickets blended together into a continuous hum. It is always present, and it can be heard any time attention is turned to it. It is not an objectionable sound, and in the past I've used it as focus of ATA. After reading about tinnitus, I do not think it is a form of that affliction, but without having a simulation of the sound available as a recording, there's probably no way to know for sure. Most people who suffer from tinnitus consider what they hear highly objectionable and oftentimes debilitating. I became aware of the sound after I started meditating about thirty years ago, and I assumed that most people could hear the sound if it were described, and they listened for it, but apparently this is not the case. Today, Carol suggested that I ask the forum for some feedback, so I started this thread in an attempt to determine what other people experience in this regard. Hindus sometimes use the word "om" or "aum" as a symbol of universal vibratory sound, but I was unable to find anything specific that tied these words to a description of the sound itself. This is pure speculation, but perhaps the roaring sound that people hear when they hold a large seashell to their ear is what I call "universal sound" echoing in the shell and becoming magnified. Can anybody shed any light on this phenomena? How many people hear this sound? Your mind is looking for an explanation or a way to think about a sound that it has no conception for... We don't 'have' to think about everything...even though we do... Where is that brown bear video that was circulating around here a while back? Might be useful for TRF....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 22:02:12 GMT -5
Universal Sound is there at the heart of all sounds, but this phenomena of "universal experience" at the heart of all sensate experience is there in other sensate experiences as well.
I have not identified the Universal Taste or the Universal Smell yet, but may spend some time on it in the future, possibly.
Universal Tactile, or Feel was an easy one though, and everybody has experienced it. Its a feeling of weight, or inward pull, inward gravity.
Zen guys describe it as a feeling of pressure on the skin coming from every direction pushing inward while entering Samadhi.
My own personal experience of it is a feeling of the body and my energy being pulled inward as if by some internal gravitational force.
Its a kind of "sinking into" one's self, that can be felt palpably.
Most feel it when they remain aware while falling asleep, it feels like a your body is sinking in on itself.
When conciously going into Samadhi the feeling increases until one feels like the weight of all of existence is centering on them, and being pulled inward in a kind of monumental gravitational pull.
To a lesser extent its felt as a sinking in when falling asleep, and a kind of "drawing inward", or turning inward that is felt in the body while being in a lesser or greater meditative state.
At its lightest it just feels like things are centered on your body, at its greatest it feels like the whole of existance is pushing inward on your body and being draw into the emptyness inside you.
The Universal Sight, or Vision is commonly experienced at dusk, or in periods of hyper alertness and calm, like after a very tramatic event.
But at dusk is when most people experience it, it looks as though there is simultaneous light and darkness pervading everything you look at with both light and empty stillness....and every thing that can be seen is both penetrated and within it....its a kind of pervading glow that if observed closely, is also a dark empty stillness.
Its like Universal Sound, in that, once you consciously experience it, you see it everywhere at any time just by paying attention.
I experience that these "Universal" sensate experiences, that are at the heart of every touch, every sound, every visionary field, and presumably at the heart of every smell and taste, is the pointer to our common essence...a kind of gateless gate to an "always there" essential nature.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 23:34:12 GMT -5
Greetings.. This afternoon on the internet I checked out "universal sound," "transcendental sound," "background sound," and other combinations of words that might be used to signify the sound that can be heard behind all other sounds, without success. I've always called it "universal sound" because somewhere I came across that phrase, and it seemed to be referring to what I hear any time I turn attention to non-conceptual listening. Recently I asked several people if they could hear the sound, and only one or two (out of nine or ten) seemed to know what I was talking about. The sound might be described as the sound of a thousand tiny crickets blended together into a continuous hum. It is always present, and it can be heard any time attention is turned to it. It is not an objectionable sound, and in the past I've used it as focus of ATA. After reading about tinnitus, I do not think it is a form of that affliction, but without having a simulation of the sound available as a recording, there's probably no way to know for sure. Most people who suffer from tinnitus consider what they hear highly objectionable and oftentimes debilitating. I became aware of the sound after I started meditating about thirty years ago, and I assumed that most people could hear the sound if it were described, and they listened for it, but apparently this is not the case. Today, Carol suggested that I ask the forum for some feedback, so I started this thread in an attempt to determine what other people experience in this regard. Hindus sometimes use the word "om" or "aum" as a symbol of universal vibratory sound, but I was unable to find anything specific that tied these words to a description of the sound itself. This is pure speculation, but perhaps the roaring sound that people hear when they hold a large seashell to their ear is what I call "universal sound" echoing in the shell and becoming magnified. Can anybody shed any light on this phenomena? How many people hear this sound? It is the frequency of all that 'is', happening.. the still mind hears/feels/senses it.. Be well.. First half of this is pretty good. www.spiritsound.com/aum.html.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 0:15:03 GMT -5
This afternoon on the internet I checked out "universal sound," "transcendental sound," "background sound," and other combinations of words that might be used to signify the sound that can be heard behind all other sounds, without success. I've always called it "universal sound" because somewhere I came across that phrase, and it seemed to be referring to what I hear any time I turn attention to non-conceptual listening. Recently I asked several people if they could hear the sound, and only one or two (out of nine or ten) seemed to know what I was talking about. The sound might be described as the sound of a thousand tiny crickets blended together into a continuous hum. It is always present, and it can be heard any time attention is turned to it. It is not an objectionable sound, and in the past I've used it as focus of ATA. After reading about tinnitus, I do not think it is a form of that affliction, but without having a simulation of the sound available as a recording, there's probably no way to know for sure. Most people who suffer from tinnitus consider what they hear highly objectionable and oftentimes debilitating. I became aware of the sound after I started meditating about thirty years ago, and I assumed that most people could hear the sound if it were described, and they listened for it, but apparently this is not the case. Today, Carol suggested that I ask the forum for some feedback, so I started this thread in an attempt to determine what other people experience in this regard. Hindus sometimes use the word "om" or "aum" as a symbol of universal vibratory sound, but I was unable to find anything specific that tied these words to a description of the sound itself. This is pure speculation, but perhaps the roaring sound that people hear when they hold a large seashell to their ear is what I call "universal sound" echoing in the shell and becoming magnified. Can anybody shed any light on this phenomena? How many people hear this sound? Hi Brother, ZD, think i bought this-up as the character acewall, years back here in ST. This sound we both hear, is used to bring conciousness away from fueling the five senses an focussing the same at ones brain centre. From there, it will appear that the physical body is dying some kind of death;its just that we are focussing on another plane (next plane) of conciousness, of which there are a few. By becoming at peace at each level of conciousness, one can slip into the next layer an so on.
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Post by freejoy on Sept 9, 2013 8:29:34 GMT -5
If you mean the sound in our heads like a ringing, buzzing, or humming, I hear that very easy when external noise is quite. I was just listening to it the other day wondering about it.
Once I read a small book about this sound. It seems it said it was our soul, etheric or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 14:56:56 GMT -5
From a website I found in quick google search:
"Ancient teachings and modern science agree: you, I, all living things, all things in existence are made up at their most essential level of vibrating, pulsing energy.
For millennia, mystics have recounted their experience of this energy, which is said to manifest in our hearing awareness as a humming vibration around and within everything else.
In the Sanskrit tradition, this sound is called "Anahata Nada," the "Unstruck Sound." Literally, this means "the sound that is not made by two things striking together." The point of this particular distinction is that all ordinary audible sounds are made by at least two elements: bow and string; drum and stick; two vocal cords; two lips against the mouthpiece of the trumpet; the double reed of the oboe; waves against the shore; wind against the leaves. All sounds within our range of hearing are created by things visible or invisible, striking each other or vibrating together, creating pulsing waves of air molecules which our ears and brain interpret as sound.
So, sound that is not made of two things striking together is the sound of primal energy, the sound of the universe itself. Joseph Campbell likens this unstruck vibration to the humming of an electrical transformer, or the (to our ears) unheard hummings of atoms and molecules.
And the ancients say that the audible sound which most resembles this unstruck sound is the syllable OM. Tradition has it that this ancient mantra is composed of four elements: the first three are vocal sounds: A, U, and M. The fourth sound, unheard, is the silence which begins and ends the audible sound, the silence which surrounds it.
There are several traditional and allegorical interpretations of this ancient sound."
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Post by serpentqueen on Sept 10, 2013 10:38:24 GMT -5
From a website I found in quick google search: "Ancient teachings and modern science agree: you, I, all living things, all things in existence are made up at their most essential level of vibrating, pulsing energy. For millennia, mystics have recounted their experience of this energy, which is said to manifest in our hearing awareness as a humming vibration around and within everything else.
In the Sanskrit tradition, this sound is called "Anahata Nada," the "Unstruck Sound." Literally, this means "the sound that is not made by two things striking together." The point of this particular distinction is that all ordinary audible sounds are made by at least two elements: bow and string; drum and stick; two vocal cords; two lips against the mouthpiece of the trumpet; the double reed of the oboe; waves against the shore; wind against the leaves. All sounds within our range of hearing are created by things visible or invisible, striking each other or vibrating together, creating pulsing waves of air molecules which our ears and brain interpret as sound. So, sound that is not made of two things striking together is the sound of primal energy, the sound of the universe itself. Joseph Campbell likens this unstruck vibration to the humming of an electrical transformer, or the (to our ears) unheard hummings of atoms and molecules. And the ancients say that the audible sound which most resembles this unstruck sound is the syllable OM. Tradition has it that this ancient mantra is composed of four elements: the first three are vocal sounds: A, U, and M. The fourth sound, unheard, is the silence which begins and ends the audible sound, the silence which surrounds it. There are several traditional and allegorical interpretations of this ancient sound." If sound is two things striking together, then there can be no such thing as a sound not made of two things striking together. Right now I'm hearing a background noise that sounds a lot like far-away cicadas.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 10, 2013 11:56:35 GMT -5
From a website I found in quick google search: "Ancient teachings and modern science agree: you, I, all living things, all things in existence are made up at their most essential level of vibrating, pulsing energy. For millennia, mystics have recounted their experience of this energy, which is said to manifest in our hearing awareness as a humming vibration around and within everything else.
In the Sanskrit tradition, this sound is called "Anahata Nada," the "Unstruck Sound." Literally, this means "the sound that is not made by two things striking together." The point of this particular distinction is that all ordinary audible sounds are made by at least two elements: bow and string; drum and stick; two vocal cords; two lips against the mouthpiece of the trumpet; the double reed of the oboe; waves against the shore; wind against the leaves. All sounds within our range of hearing are created by things visible or invisible, striking each other or vibrating together, creating pulsing waves of air molecules which our ears and brain interpret as sound. So, sound that is not made of two things striking together is the sound of primal energy, the sound of the universe itself. Joseph Campbell likens this unstruck vibration to the humming of an electrical transformer, or the (to our ears) unheard hummings of atoms and molecules. And the ancients say that the audible sound which most resembles this unstruck sound is the syllable OM. Tradition has it that this ancient mantra is composed of four elements: the first three are vocal sounds: A, U, and M. The fourth sound, unheard, is the silence which begins and ends the audible sound, the silence which surrounds it. There are several traditional and allegorical interpretations of this ancient sound." If sound is two things striking together, then there can be no such thing as a sound not made of two things striking together. Right now I'm hearing a background noise that sounds a lot like far-away cicadas. As Robertk pointed out, the sound we're hearing (hissing, crickets, cicadas, however-we-want-to-describe-it) is probably white noise, pink noise, or Brown noise (wiki describes all three) caused by something equivalent to Brownian motion--the vibratory energy of subatomic particles picked up by the auditory nerves. I was just curious how many people hear the sound, and apparently a lot of people do. From a random sampling of people I've talked to, it appears that about 50% hear the sound, and the other 50% may have such noisy/talkative minds that, although it's there, they've never noticed it. FWIW, it makes a great focus for ATA if someone can't just look at the world in silence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 12:46:49 GMT -5
If sound is two things striking together, then there can be no such thing as a sound not made of two things striking together. Right now I'm hearing a background noise that sounds a lot like far-away cicadas. As Robertk pointed out, the sound we're hearing (hissing, crickets, cicadas, however-we-want-to-describe-it) is probably white noise, pink noise, or Brown noise (wiki describes all three) caused by something equivalent to Brownian motion--the vibratory energy of subatomic particles picked up by the auditory nerves. I was just curious how many people hear the sound, and apparently a lot of people do. From a random sampling of people I've talked to, it appears that about 50% hear the sound, and the other 50% may have such noisy/talkative minds that, although it's there, they've never noticed it. FWIW, it makes a great focus for ATA if someone can't just look at the world in silence. I can tune into the shell sound during meditation. It seems like an artifact of our anatomy. It's harder to access during the day-to-day auditory environment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 15:43:56 GMT -5
If sound is two things striking together, then there can be no such thing as a sound not made of two things striking together. Right now I'm hearing a background noise that sounds a lot like far-away cicadas. As Robertk pointed out, the sound we're hearing (hissing, crickets, cicadas, however-we-want-to-describe-it) is probably white noise, pink noise, or Brown noise (wiki describes all three) caused by something equivalent to Brownian motion--the vibratory energy of subatomic particles picked up by the auditory nerves. I was just curious how many people hear the sound, and apparently a lot of people do. From a random sampling of people I've talked to, it appears that about 50% hear the sound, and the other 50% may have such noisy/talkative minds that, although it's there, they've never noticed it. FWIW, it makes a great focus for ATA if someone can't just look at the world in silence. I have no idea what the source of that sound is, but its sure that its somehow tied to being more sensitive, which usually happens when one has spent some time turning inward, and being more alert and aware. Also, the effects are pretty clear, in that concentrating one's attention upon it seems to bring a kind of calm expansion of awareness, and less absorbtion in mind spin. At a minimum it draws attention away from the appearance of change to a "sorta" tangible experience of something that appears to be universal. Although mystics throughout the ages have made some pretty good arguments over the "spiritual" import of the sound, its probably better to let all those ideas go and just explore it directly and personally.....try sitting and just immersing yourself in the sound, its wonderful! As a pseudo comparable alagory, one of the things I do everyday is sky gazing into the daylight sky. There is a phenomena wherein when you do this, little white to light blue glowing sparks, or dots of light will begin bouncing around in your visionary field. Many traditions have given this a kind of mystical importance, and my own experience with it results in a kind of expansion of conciousness and a crystal clear clarity that remains long after the sky gazing stops. Out of a curiousity very similar to ZD's in his google search about Universal Sound, I did my own Google search about those little sparks of light seen when gazing at a clear blue sky. Turns out that the little moving glowing dots are white blood cells inside the eye, and that when looking at a clear blue sky, with your attention kind of pulling inward, you can actually see the white blood cells moving around in your own retina....not dissimilar to the little black dots that boxers and althletes sometimes get as a result of bits of retina detaching from blows to the head. Needless to say, I spent a few minutes mourning the loss of a more romantisized view of what those little glowing dots are, but that loss of romance only lasted the few minutes it took to go back outside and gaze at the sky again until the dots returned, and the same feeling of expanded clear awareness returned. The point is that regardless of the explanation of the phenomena, the effect still remains.... What I find with all of these type of phenomena, is that their wonder and "usefulness" does not come from some kind of imagined origin, but from the simple fact that they occur when one is drawing one's awareness inward with some degree of alertness and a quieter mind, and that these phenomena seem to help a great deal with keeping one's awareness alertly turned inward with a still mind... and thats where the "magic" really is ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 16:46:05 GMT -5
If sound is two things striking together, then there can be no such thing as a sound not made of two things striking together. Right now I'm hearing a background noise that sounds a lot like far-away cicadas. As Robertk pointed out, the sound we're hearing (hissing, crickets, cicadas, however-we-want-to-describe-it) is probably white noise, pink noise, or Brown noise (wiki describes all three) caused by something equivalent to Brownian motion--the vibratory energy of subatomic particles picked up by the auditory nerves. I was just curious how many people hear the sound, and apparently a lot of people do. From a random sampling of people I've talked to, it appears that about 50% hear the sound, and the other 50% may have such noisy/talkative minds that, although it's there, they've never noticed it. FWIW, it makes a great focus for ATA if someone can't just look at the world in silence. You can't have silence without sound or the sense of hearing... Where there is silence there is sound and where there is sound there is silence... It's something that is perceived when one see's the world of thought...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 17:06:22 GMT -5
As Robertk pointed out, the sound we're hearing (hissing, crickets, cicadas, however-we-want-to-describe-it) is probably white noise, pink noise, or Brown noise (wiki describes all three) caused by something equivalent to Brownian motion--the vibratory energy of subatomic particles picked up by the auditory nerves. I was just curious how many people hear the sound, and apparently a lot of people do. From a random sampling of people I've talked to, it appears that about 50% hear the sound, and the other 50% may have such noisy/talkative minds that, although it's there, they've never noticed it. FWIW, it makes a great focus for ATA if someone can't just look at the world in silence. You can't have silence without sound or the sense of hearing... Where there is silence there is sound and where there is sound there is silence... It's something that is perceived when one see's the world without thought... The "silence" of which ZD speaks is silence of the mind, i.e. without "thought"... As an aside, have you become a robot? i.e responding unconsciously in a knee jerk fashion from an extremely rigid and clung to belief system about perceived and perceiver? Hold on, I'll answer for you ;-) TRF: "Belief in a perceiver and perceived is a perception. And your view that I have become a robot that is only capable of responding from a fixed position is the result of you being absorbed in the perceived." :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 17:44:38 GMT -5
You can't have silence without sound or the sense of hearing... Where there is silence there is sound and where there is sound there is silence... It's something that is perceived when one see's the world without thought... The "silence" of which ZD speaks is silence of the mind, i.e. without "thought"... As an aside, have you become a robot? i.e responding unconsciously in a knee jerk fashion from an extremely rigid and clung to belief system about perceived and perceiver? Hold on, I'll answer for you ;-) TRF: "Belief in a perceiver and perceived is a perception. And your view that I have become a robot that is only capable of responding from a fixed position is the result of you being absorbed in the perceived." :-) Actually there is no perception without thought...the sense of sight, sense of hearing, sense of feeling...ATA...silence of mind...a world...all are thoughts... Most likely it's a safety valve so that one doesn't sh*t their pants and die of fright from perceiving the unknown... As an aside, you and Enigma share the same imagined clarity in which he knows what it's like to be a tree and you know what it's like to be TRF... You haven't secretly infiltrated the squirrel satsangs have you?!
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