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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 21:49:54 GMT -5
Fear panic and anxiety are tools of the ego. Fear panic and anxiety also come to us during what the mystics call dark days of the soul. It is a last ditch effort for the ego to remain in control of persons life, when that person has really gotten serious about their spiritual growth. Fantastic!
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Post by serpentqueen on Sept 5, 2013 21:50:04 GMT -5
Fear panic and anxiety are tools of the ego. Fear panic and anxiety also come to us during what the mystics call dark days of the soul. It is a last ditch effort for the ego to remain in control of persons life, when that person has really gotten serious about their spiritual growth. I don't think fear, panic and anxiety are always tools of the ego, but I may be wrong about this. I had a cancer scare this past week - turned out all okay. But yeah, I experienced fear and anxiety (not panic). I am just saying I am not sure it was my ego going on there. This was second cancer scare in my life; the first time was markedly different and much more ego was going on with it. This time was not the same, but fear and anxiety still arose, yet didn't take over my life every minute of the day, affecting all my relations and interactions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 21:56:00 GMT -5
.. incidentally right now my heart is breaking in all directions at once. It seems to me your heart has to break in order to grow bigger. It pleases me alot that you can be so honest an truthful about your heart expanding. This is a precious moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 22:08:29 GMT -5
Fear panic and anxiety are tools of the ego. Fear panic and anxiety also come to us during what the mystics call dark days of the soul. It is a last ditch effort for the ego to remain in control of persons life, when that person has really gotten serious about their spiritual growth. I don't think fear, panic and anxiety are always tools of the ego, but I may be wrong about this. I had a cancer scare this past week - turned out all okay. But yeah, I experienced fear and anxiety (not panic). I am just saying I am not sure it was my ego going on there. This was second cancer scare in my life; the first time was markedly different and much more ego was going on with it. This time was not the same, but fear and anxiety still arose, yet didn't take over my life every minute of the day, affecting all my relations and interactions. Many years ago, I looked into what might be death as I needed to know that which it new Nothing of. Your-scare is a good thing to use now that you know you dont have the cancer. Cancer can be the answer...one can dissolve the sence of self that isnt true by allowing Yogic death to occur. Remember The sage of Aranchala?
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Post by nowhereman on Sept 6, 2013 18:20:04 GMT -5
To quote a oldie but a goodie FEAR= False Evidence Appearing Real
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Post by silence on Sept 8, 2013 7:52:46 GMT -5
Fear panic and anxiety are tools of the ego. Fear panic and anxiety also come to us during what the mystics call dark days of the soul. It is a last ditch effort for the ego to remain in control of persons life, when that person has really gotten serious about their spiritual growth. I don't think fear, panic and anxiety are always tools of the ego, but I may be wrong about this. I had a cancer scare this past week - turned out all okay. But yeah, I experienced fear and anxiety (not panic). I am just saying I am not sure it was my ego going on there. This was second cancer scare in my life; the first time was markedly different and much more ego was going on with it. This time was not the same, but fear and anxiety still arose, yet didn't take over my life every minute of the day, affecting all my relations and interactions. What is ego if not that very process of projecting into the future and feeling threatened?
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Post by serpentqueen on Sept 8, 2013 10:17:24 GMT -5
I don't think fear, panic and anxiety are always tools of the ego, but I may be wrong about this. I had a cancer scare this past week - turned out all okay. But yeah, I experienced fear and anxiety (not panic). I am just saying I am not sure it was my ego going on there. This was second cancer scare in my life; the first time was markedly different and much more ego was going on with it. This time was not the same, but fear and anxiety still arose, yet didn't take over my life every minute of the day, affecting all my relations and interactions. What is ego if not that very process of projecting into the future and feeling threatened? If you suddenly come across a hungry tiger in your path, you will probably feel fear, anxiety, panic. Does that have anything to do with the ego? Or is it simply the natural response to physical threats? When a horse bolts because it is scared of the flames, or a mouse flees from the owl, where is the ego in that? There is a surge of biochemicals that occur when the body is faced with physical threats; we call this fear. In those moments, the horse, the mouse, the human are probably not thinking about the future at all - they aren't thinking either. They are simply acting automatically. What's more, it's been my experience that for some people, suffering from anxiety and other disorders, fear & anxiety can arise without any cause whatsoever. The mind may then step in and try to explain the source, creating a story, and that story may be framed in a way that it is happening to "me" i.e., ego. Even more interesting to me is that I can't help but notice that some of the most pleasurable experiences in life - falling in love, deep emotional intimacy, great sex, roller coaster rides, white water rafting -- come wrapped up with a big dose of fear and anxiety. Think about it. Would such experiences be half as good without fear and anxiety?
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Post by nowhereman on Sept 8, 2013 14:11:14 GMT -5
What is ego if not that very process of projecting into the future and feeling threatened? What's more, it's been my experience that for some people, suffering from anxiety and other disorders, fear & anxiety can arise without any cause whatsoever. The mind may then step in and try to explain the source, creating a story, and that story may be framed in a way that it is happening to "me" i.e., ego. Even more interesting to me is that I can't help but notice that some of the most pleasurable experiences in life - falling in love, deep emotional intimacy, great sex, roller coaster rides, white water rafting -- come wrapped up with a big dose of fear and anxiety. Think about it. Would such experiences be half as good without fear and anxiety? Fear by itself is a emotion and anxiety a feeling. However how we experience them has to do with our internal labeling. Most people experience fear as something to avoid or as a warning of some kind. But what happens to someone that was programmed to label fear as something very warm, close to the hear, and desirable? This type of person would want as much fear as they could obtain. The same would go for anxiety. It all comes down to what we label something to be.. Nowhereman
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Post by Beingist on Sept 8, 2013 15:31:59 GMT -5
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Post by vacant on Sept 8, 2013 16:43:49 GMT -5
Like E says (and Silence in different words), fear is necessary to run away from fatal trouble. It is part and package of life and as such it would futile to imagine or hope for life without it. Fear is something we have a natural built in function to dislike, but to be clear, I wouldn't fathom that liberation has anything to do with a life without fear, although I suspect that is a commonly held belief.
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Post by silence on Sept 8, 2013 18:35:04 GMT -5
If you suddenly come across a hungry tiger in your path, you will probably feel fear, anxiety, panic. Does that have anything to do with the ego? Or is it simply the natural response to physical threats? When a horse bolts because it is scared of the flames, or a mouse flees from the owl, where is the ego in that? There is a surge of biochemicals that occur when the body is faced with physical threats; we call this fear. In those moments, the horse, the mouse, the human are probably not thinking about the future at all - they aren't thinking either. They are simply acting automatically. Fear is clearly a survival mechanism that can operate without the use of complex thinking. Coming across a hungry tiger, becoming fearful and leaving immediately is not a problem. The ability for thought to attach to this survival mechanism and begin to indefinitely project future scenarios and probabilities of potential threats to an imagined center IS a problem. To hear news about potential cancer, and artificially induce fear within the body serves no useful purpose to the organism. The type of fear that is present in animals (including humans) to thwart danger is an automatic response that typically silences thought while ego is a movement of thought that triggers fear as a means to insure the survival of ego with the consideration of the body only as a type of parasite/host relationship. What's more, it's been my experience that for some people, suffering from anxiety and other disorders, fear & anxiety can arise without any cause whatsoever. The mind may then step in and try to explain the source, creating a story, and that story may be framed in a way that it is happening to "me" i.e., ego. There is a cause but it is typically because the line of thinking has become so repetitious and subtle that it no longer requires overt linguistic thinking to trigger the anxiety. Even more interesting to me is that I can't help but notice that some of the most pleasurable experiences in life - falling in love, deep emotional intimacy, great sex, roller coaster rides, white water rafting -- come wrapped up with a big dose of fear and anxiety. Think about it. Would such experiences be half as good without fear and anxiety? In the absence of gaining any sort of clear perspective on mind, finding oneself in situations that produce fear and thereby shut down most processes of thought is for most exhilarating. People will report that they have never felt more alive in the middle of combat situations or sky diving or whatever it is. The reason of course is not because of the fear but because as a last resort the body overrode the compulsion to live in ones imagination.
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2013 18:36:16 GMT -5
<tmt> We're not afraid of the hot stove, we need it to cook our bacon. That we've had the experience of being burned isn't why we don't hold our hands over a flame. As we stand on a corner of a busy street waiting for the light to change, we're not contemplating what would happen to our bones if we walked out into traffic.
E's definition of fear would have fear suffuse every second of being aware, but then, in the way that he uses the word aware, there is no (separate volitional) individual that has spent a single second of life in awareness. </tmt>
Just a word folks. Really. Just a word. Nothin' to see here. Move along. Nothing to fear.
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2013 18:39:03 GMT -5
If you suddenly come across a hungry tiger in your path, you will probably feel fear, anxiety, panic. Does that have anything to do with the ego? Or is it simply the natural response to physical threats? When a horse bolts because it is scared of the flames, or a mouse flees from the owl, where is the ego in that? There is a surge of biochemicals that occur when the body is faced with physical threats; we call this fear. In those moments, the horse, the mouse, the human are probably not thinking about the future at all - they aren't thinking either. They are simply acting automatically. Fear is clearly a survival mechanism that can operate without the use of complex thinking. Coming across a hungry tiger, becoming fearful and leaving immediately is not a problem. The ability for thought to attach to this survival mechanism and begin to indefinitely project future scenarios and probabilities of potential threats to an imagined center IS a problem. To hear news about potential cancer, and artificially induce fear within the body serves no useful purpose to the organism. The type of fear that is present in animals (including humans) to thwart danger is an automatic response that typically silences thought while ego is a movement of thought that triggers fear as a means to insure the survival of ego with the consideration of the body only as a type of parasite/host relationship. What's more, it's been my experience that for some people, suffering from anxiety and other disorders, fear & anxiety can arise without any cause whatsoever. The mind may then step in and try to explain the source, creating a story, and that story may be framed in a way that it is happening to "me" i.e., ego. There is a cause but it is typically because the line of thinking has become so repetitious and subtle that it no longer requires overt linguistic thinking to trigger the anxiety. Even more interesting to me is that I can't help but notice that some of the most pleasurable experiences in life - falling in love, deep emotional intimacy, great sex, roller coaster rides, white water rafting -- come wrapped up with a big dose of fear and anxiety. Think about it. Would such experiences be half as good without fear and anxiety? In the absence of gaining any sort of clear perspective on mind, finding oneself in situations that produce fear and thereby shut down most processes of thought is for most exhilarating. People will report that they have never felt more alive in the middle of combat situations or sky diving or whatever it is. The reason of course is not because of the fear but because as a last resort the body overrode the compulsion to live in ones imagination. It's tmt dude, just let the word have multiple definitions. One can argue that if you lose your balance on a narrow ledge on a mountain that if you take the time to feel fear then you're dead.
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Post by silence on Sept 8, 2013 18:47:07 GMT -5
Fear is clearly a survival mechanism that can operate without the use of complex thinking. Coming across a hungry tiger, becoming fearful and leaving immediately is not a problem. The ability for thought to attach to this survival mechanism and begin to indefinitely project future scenarios and probabilities of potential threats to an imagined center IS a problem. To hear news about potential cancer, and artificially induce fear within the body serves no useful purpose to the organism. The type of fear that is present in animals (including humans) to thwart danger is an automatic response that typically silences thought while ego is a movement of thought that triggers fear as a means to insure the survival of ego with the consideration of the body only as a type of parasite/host relationship. There is a cause but it is typically because the line of thinking has become so repetitious and subtle that it no longer requires overt linguistic thinking to trigger the anxiety. In the absence of gaining any sort of clear perspective on mind, finding oneself in situations that produce fear and thereby shut down most processes of thought is for most exhilarating. People will report that they have never felt more alive in the middle of combat situations or sky diving or whatever it is. The reason of course is not because of the fear but because as a last resort the body overrode the compulsion to live in ones imagination. It's tmt dude, just let the word have multiple definitions. One can argue that if you lose your balance on a narrow ledge on a mountain that if you take the time to feel fear then you're dead. The ability to artificially induce fear is at the core of human suffering.
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Post by laughter on Sept 8, 2013 18:49:49 GMT -5
It's tmt dude, just let the word have multiple definitions. One can argue that if you lose your balance on a narrow ledge on a mountain that if you take the time to feel fear then you're dead. The ability to artificially induce fear is at the core of human suffering. Excellent use of the word! You can have that meaning of it too! (** backs slowly toward the door **)
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