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Post by laughter on Aug 11, 2013 14:36:46 GMT -5
'perceptions' are indeed at the root of most of the conflict here, however, there's an definite escalation of the conflict when one (such as yourself), figures his perceptions are always correct and clear, while others are not. (** mutley snicker **)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 18:45:58 GMT -5
psssst Hey reefs... F*ck You! you sure your own charted course is working? its never too late to change course ya know. jes saying... I'm sure your charted course isn't working. Find another project.
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2013 19:02:27 GMT -5
This is very much to the point. It seems like I'm always addressing the apparent difference between what is perceived and what is there. Conversation with certain others becomes impossible precisely because of those differences, and it even sometimes results in my inability to even understand what is being said, as the perceptual world from which one is speaking is entirely foreign to me. Significant errors in this perceived world are the cause of conflict and suffering, and this is the illusion that is referred to, so it's important. I'm disagreeing with this. That you assume that conversation is impossible under any circumstances is telling. *Please quote where I said "any circumstances". *It's a statement. Where do find 'trying to fix the mind' happening? *I have no idea what you mean by " speak in circles"? *Do you see something else happening here other than mind? What is the experience of deep sleep like for you? *I haven't seen any switches. Are you referring to some kind of device? *Did I say anything about control?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:06:00 GMT -5
you sure your own charted course is working? its never too late to change course ya know. jes saying... I'm sure your charted course isn't working. Find another project. "I'd prefer not to deal with this issue at all, it's like shearing a pig, too much squeaking, too little wool" - Vladimir Putin
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:08:36 GMT -5
I'm sure your charted course isn't working. Find another project. "I'd prefer not to deal with this issue at all, it's like shearing a pig, too much squeaking, too little wool" - Vladimir Putin Putin? You're a real oddball.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Aug 11, 2013 19:13:42 GMT -5
you sure your own charted course is working? its never too late to change course ya know. jes saying... I'm sure your charted course isn't working. Find another project. Farmer has a charted course? It seemed at one point he was just noticing the profound and stabilizing in uncharted territory. You, on the other hand, seem to be caught up in trying to fulfill yourself with one of your parents' control mechanisms...not so profound, if you know what I mean. What kinds of things do you hope to 'gain' from your interactions here? Curious...is it working?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:18:35 GMT -5
I'm sure your charted course isn't working. Find another project. Farmer has a charted course? It seemed at one point he was just noticing the profound and stabilizing in uncharted territory. I musta been absent that day. You, on the other hand, seem to be caught up in trying to fulfill yourself with one of your parents' control mechanisms...not so profound, if you know what I mean. What kinds of things do you hope to 'gain' from your interactions here? Curious...is it working? Aren't you the guy who lives in the rain barrel masquerading as a third-world hovel? Didn't you write about getting robbed in a taxi the last time you were here? And you're curious about... Don't worry about me.
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2013 19:31:02 GMT -5
This is very much to the point. It seems like I'm always addressing the apparent difference between what is perceived and what is there. Conversation with certain others becomes impossible precisely because of those differences, and it even sometimes results in my inability to even understand what is being said, as the perceptual world from which one is speaking is entirely foreign to me. Significant errors in this perceived world are the cause of conflict and suffering, and this is the illusion that is referred to, so it's important. I agree that 'perceptions' are indeed at the root of most of the conflict here, however, there's an definite escalation of the conflict when one (such as yourself), figures his perceptions are always correct and clear, while others are not. *Show me the who posts his perspective with the understanding that it not correct, or even that it is unlikely that it is correct. How hard is it to set fire to that straw man?[/quote] *No. Do you think it's possible? *How can it stop mattering? One then has the freedom to imagine whatever nonsense he wants, accuse others arbitrarily, lead others astray with irrelevant, made up truths, lie without compunction, abandon fairness, justice, honesty, integrity? When what's true no longer matters, that what you've done. I suppose it feels free, but it can also border on evil. You don't have to rely on your perception in order to function in the world? You can just imagine plastic flowers in bushes or whatever you want, right? *I don't even agree with that. We diverged at the top of the page. *No, we can't know, but not knowing doesn't mean we're unconscious or misperceiving. *Do you have a whole series of these paintings? Ever thought about having a show? *I'm not talking about imagining/believing you are conscious. I don't have a solution for that.
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2013 19:33:28 GMT -5
I'm sure your charted course isn't working. Find another project. "I'd prefer not to deal with this issue at all, it's like shearing a pig, too much squeaking, too little wool" - Vladimir Putin Boy can I identify with that. Hehe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 19:35:53 GMT -5
"I'd prefer not to deal with this issue at all, it's like shearing a pig, too much squeaking, too little wool" - Vladimir Putin Boy can I identify with that. Hehe. It would have been perfect if he had said squealing, instead of squeaking.
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2013 19:40:54 GMT -5
I'm disagreeing with this. That you assume that conversation is impossible under any circumstances is telling. I'd have to say that you would be correct--that one cannot 'see' the 'nature of perception' if one is not perceiving clearly. But, isn't this like the mind trying to fix the mind? Ain't happenin'. Like Andrew, it is beginning to become clearer to me that 'it's ALL mind', to you, which would explain why you speak in circles as you do, and why so many of your posts are in dialogue with Andrew. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but may be the reason why you have so much difficulty communicating with others, here. In any event, the above makes sense, if all there is is the mental faculties (i.e., perception). I think that seeing the 'nature of perception' (not my term, remember, so I'm still working with it) happens from the same vantage point as that that 'sees the other for what the other is'. That which 'notices' is the same as that which 'sees the nature of perception'. Right, but again, 'to become fully conscious' is a mental thing, in your understanding. In mine, one does not 'become conscious' on the flip of a switch. To me, it's not something one can control. Besides, are we not already conscious? Under the first and common definition of 'conscious', were we not all conscious, we wouldn't even be able to type on a keyboard (unless, perhaps, we 'unconscious' ones typing in our sleep ). That whole 'conscious/unconscious' and 'noticing' thing has become your dogma, E, no less than the Catholic doctrine on transubstantiation. It also reeks of cause/effect. I could go on, but I'm sure it's pointless to do so, as I'm not trying to convince you of anything, here. Conscious in the context it's discussed here I'd say is in relation to how much suppression and self regulation is going on. In other words, in the absence of this suppression, one's subconscious can not remain a hidden, highly influential factor of one's perceptions and behavior. This is why the true goal of therapy whether one knows it or not is not to actively dig into one's psyche but rather to gain the confidence to stop habitually stuffing it down. Transparency and non-reactivity is the natural result of being willing to turn towards anything and everything. Interesting perspective. I agree.
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2013 19:43:15 GMT -5
'perceptions' are indeed at the root of most of the conflict here, however, there's an definite escalation of the conflict when one (such as yourself), figures his perceptions are always correct and clear, while others are not. (** mutley snicker **) Do you think that painting will sell in her next gallery showing?
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2013 19:47:03 GMT -5
Boy can I identify with that. Hehe. It would have been perfect if he had said squealing, instead of squeaking. Yeah, seems like that would have sounded better.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Aug 11, 2013 19:55:48 GMT -5
I'm sure your charted course isn't working. Find another project. Farmer has a charted course? It seemed at one point he was just noticing the profound and stabilizing in uncharted territory. I musta been absent that day. You, on the other hand, seem to be caught up in trying to fulfill yourself with one of your parents' control mechanisms...not so profound, if you know what I mean. What kinds of things do you hope to 'gain' from your interactions here? Curious...is it working? Aren't you the guy who lives in the rain barrel? You wrote about getting robbed the last time you were here? Don't worry about me. Dry season now, but yeah, just got back from the same city on the mainland, where all that went down. Seems that kind of taxi express thang is, unfortunately, more common these days. Heard a few more stories as people continued to warn others. All taxis should be ordered through hotels to minimize the potential. Nonetheless, interesting,,, god putting pistols in faces and demanding stuff. Dreamworldly like.... No worries, but you can wake up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 20:01:46 GMT -5
I musta been absent that day. Aren't you the guy who lives in the rain barrel? You wrote about getting robbed the last time you were here? Don't worry about me. Dry season now, but yeah, just got back from the same city on the mainland, where all that went down. Seems that kind of taxi express thang is, unfortunately, more common these days. Heard a few more stories as people continued to warn others. All taxis should be ordered through hotels to minimize the potential. Nonetheless, interesting,,, god putting pistols in faces and demanding stuff. Dreamworldly like.... No worries, but you can wake up. God putting pistols in faces and demanding stuff....Geez, you guys can spin anything. Maybe you should wake up first.
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