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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 9, 2013 13:08:02 GMT -5
Aaah yes, the question. That's the important part. The question I have is what to do about the lingering desires. I still find myself wanting to drink and flirt with the ladies (love the cuties). I'll find myself in a state of complete contentedness, and then I'll run out in to the world and get drunk or find a girl to spend time with. It seems like pushing these desires away results in more struggle. The desire to be free of desire is yet another means of control fueled by hope. My question is how to work with this? And while I recognize everything to be appearances arising within awareness (or awareness itself), I still get pulled into my old patterns from time to time. I feel stuck. Everything I do seems totally futile. I am tired of waiting... hoping. What are you waiting & hoping for? I can relate to what you are describing. The way I look at it, there's a difference between desiring a soul mate who will "complete" you and make you permanently and forever happy, and simply enjoying the heck out of life and embracing whatever/whomever happens to present herself to be enjoyed... Once you realize you are complete all on your own, you are then free to go out and enjoy anyone's company that floats your boat, forever short or long the duration of the relationship. I, for one, am all for relationships. Consciousness itself is relationship - relationship between perceiver/perceived; observer/observed; subject/object, self/other... etc... so... go for it... see yourself reflected in another's eyes.. frankly, there is nothing better. Of course, this other need not be a lover -- it could be anyone at all.. Life doesn't care what you experience; you have total freedom. If you want to squander it in the bottle, you are free to do that and life won't judge or care. If you want to flit from one cutie to the next rather than settle down or live piously alone, life doesn't care. Life has no preference for what is experienced. Even longing, waiting, hoping is just another experience. Yes, suffering too. Life does seem to have a funny way of presenting to you whatever it is you need at any given moment. The trick is in recognizing that it's already there. In other words, if life didn't think you needed a girl to spend time with, you wouldn't be finding girls who are eager to spend time with you. So.. relax and enjoy. The cool thing about life is you just can't go wrong. You can't make a mistake. It's all good. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:16:56 GMT -5
I have no idea where you gathered all this from my short post, but you are spot on! What are you waiting & hoping for? I was waiting for enlightenment to happen sometime in the future. Now, I'm not really sure what I'm doing. I can relate to what you are describing. The way I look at it, there's a difference between desiring a soul mate who will "complete" you and make you permanently and forever happy, and simply enjoying the heck out of life and embracing whatever/whomever happens to present herself to be enjoyed... I agree 100% I made a deal with the universe that I would no longer try to rearrange my life around spirituality, and that I would just embrace whatever came. Since then, life has become very interesting, and very easy. Can't help but wonder if life is easy and enjoyable if I just sit back and enjoy the ride. Regarding girls, I find myself fixed on a single girl now. She is fascinating, and overall just a beautiful creature. I know it will pass, but I will enjoy while it lasts. I spent so many years in relationships and dating girls with my eyes closed. I was needy and dependent. Things have taken an interesting turn now that I understand myself better. Fear based / need-based relationships are destined for failure.Life does seem to have a funny way of presenting to you whatever it is you need at any given moment. The trick is in recognizing that it's already there. In other words, if life didn't think you needed a girl to spend time with, you wouldn't be finding girls who are eager to spend time with you. So.. relax and enjoy. I have no idea what life thinks, but right now I am very grateful. And thanks, maybe I will relax and enjoy. |
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Post by silence on Aug 9, 2013 18:07:27 GMT -5
There's a movement of mind that requires struggle. This movement is usually called ego. Mind as a whole does not require. struggle and so the absence of struggle and incessant grasping can be quite pleasant and revealing. The struggle does not come to an end because one side wins but rather that one stops seeing themselves on either (or both) sides of the rope. On the topic of sex, every darn animal is interested in it whether it's being conceptualized or not. It's not some sort of mistake. Sex is a really hard one to understand, because the drive for it comes from so many places. Some people use it as their source of power which is a down fall all of it's own, like a drug. The ego wants it to make itself feel good. The body has hormones which it wants to generate. It is also a drive that comes from our DNA and it's need to keep the spiceses going. The most important drive for sex truly is spiritual in nature. The kundalini energy is our sexual energy. When we use that energy in what we think is the normal way, we send that energy down and out threw the genital area. This energy is needed in another way for our awakening. The trick is to send the energy up and out the top of the head. The orgasm is 10 to 20 time the normal and will last from a half an hour to an hour long. And the act of sex is really not needed at all. This is why our need for sex is so intense, our sub-conscious and our higher self know what it is for and they keep driving us to search and experience. Because we are in duality we think that we need someone outside of ourselves to be whole and complete. A soul mate will never satisfy, what we are really looking for is authentic self. I'd say it's not nearly that complicated. Sex like other things can spin out of control into a pleasure addiction but it's not meant to be mastered and made to go away or secretly a search for our true self or anything. |
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Post by silence on Aug 9, 2013 18:24:53 GMT -5
I don't know if you know what you're talking about, but your post made me happy. Curious to hear your experience. I'm not a spiritual dude, I just found myself in an existential rut wondering what all of this was. It was only recently until I started wondering about desire. I was stuck in a rut of meaninglessness realizing that nothing would make me happy. I felt like I had hit rock bottom. Now I find myself springing to life again. Realizing how amazing things are. I'm a but surprised in my interest in being with girls again. I had completely lost interest at some point because I came to realize they wouldn't make me happy and that sex was empty. Girls are beautiful creatures. Superior to males, IMO, because they are more honest and emotionally expressive. I can't help but love them. The power of futility, hehe. Existential questions are all misconceived anyway. Niz used to say: " I appeal to you with my folded hands, don't get into spirituality!" So, there.  There's truly no better example of that warning than Andrew. |
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Post by Ishtahota on Aug 9, 2013 20:51:48 GMT -5
Sex is a really hard one to understand, because the drive for it comes from so many places. Some people use it as their source of power which is a down fall all of it's own, like a drug. The ego wants it to make itself feel good. The body has hormones which it wants to generate. It is also a drive that comes from our DNA and it's need to keep the spiceses going. The most important drive for sex truly is spiritual in nature. The kundalini energy is our sexual energy. When we use that energy in what we think is the normal way, we send that energy down and out threw the genital area. This energy is needed in another way for our awakening. The trick is to send the energy up and out the top of the head. The orgasm is 10 to 20 time the normal and will last from a half an hour to an hour long. And the act of sex is really not needed at all. This is why our need for sex is so intense, our sub-conscious and our higher self know what it is for and they keep driving us to search and experience. Because we are in duality we think that we need someone outside of ourselves to be whole and complete. A soul mate will never satisfy, what we are really looking for is authentic self. I'd say it's not nearly that complicated. Sex like other things can spin out of control into a pleasure addiction but it's not meant to be mastered and made to go away or secretly a search for our true self or anything. It does help to have the experiences and the training. |
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Post by silence on Aug 10, 2013 0:09:52 GMT -5
I'd say it's not nearly that complicated. Sex like other things can spin out of control into a pleasure addiction but it's not meant to be mastered and made to go away or secretly a search for our true self or anything. It does help to have the experiences and the training. What? |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 10, 2013 0:20:17 GMT -5
The power of futility, hehe. Existential questions are all misconceived anyway. Niz used to say: " I appeal to you with my folded hands, don't get into spirituality!" So, there. Did he really say that? That's funny! Good advice, though.  He did! It's in "Consciousness and the Absolute". |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 10, 2013 0:22:24 GMT -5
I'd say the point Niz was making with sincerity and earnestness is muy importante here. Earnestness is the main ingredient necessary on the seeker's part of the equation. Earnestness, however, cannot be created by the seeker, so 'fake it until you make it' won't do it. So, what are you gonna do?  While one's coping mechanisms are perceived to be working, earnestness is kept at arms length. Qué? Como?  |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 10, 2013 0:23:45 GMT -5
I'd say the point Niz was making with sincerity and earnestness is muy importante here. Earnestness is the main ingredient necessary on the seeker's part of the equation. Earnestness, however, cannot be created by the seeker, so 'fake it until you make it' won't do it. So, what are you gonna do? Wait until there's enough suffering? Well, the spiritually correct version is 'wait until the mango drops'...  |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 10, 2013 0:40:21 GMT -5
I have no idea where you gathered all this from my short post, but you are spot on! What are you waiting & hoping for? I was waiting for enlightenment to happen sometime in the future. Now, I'm not really sure what I'm doing. I can relate to what you are describing. The way I look at it, there's a difference between desiring a soul mate who will "complete" you and make you permanently and forever happy, and simply enjoying the heck out of life and embracing whatever/whomever happens to present herself to be enjoyed... I agree 100% I made a deal with the universe that I would no longer try to rearrange my life around spirituality, and that I would just embrace whatever came. Since then, life has become very interesting, and very easy. Can't help but wonder if life is easy and enjoyable if I just sit back and enjoy the ride. Regarding girls, I find myself fixed on a single girl now. She is fascinating, and overall just a beautiful creature. I know it will pass, but I will enjoy while it lasts. I spent so many years in relationships and dating girls with my eyes closed. I was needy and dependent. Things have taken an interesting turn now that I understand myself better. Fear based / need-based relationships are destined for failure.Life does seem to have a funny way of presenting to you whatever it is you need at any given moment. The trick is in recognizing that it's already there. In other words, if life didn't think you needed a girl to spend time with, you wouldn't be finding girls who are eager to spend time with you. So.. relax and enjoy. I have no idea what life thinks, but right now I am very grateful. And thanks, maybe I will relax and enjoy."So hop on the world is swinging don't sit and twiddle your thumbs get up and meet those pretty girls girls girls..." |
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Post by Reefs on Aug 10, 2013 0:42:26 GMT -5
The power of futility, hehe. Existential questions are all misconceived anyway. Niz used to say: " I appeal to you with my folded hands, don't get into spirituality!" So, there. There's truly no better example of that warning than Andrew. Yup. Andrew even trumps alexplatups from Pavlina. |
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Post by topology on Aug 10, 2013 2:19:47 GMT -5
There's truly no better example of that warning than Andrew. Yup. Andrew even trumps alexplatups from Pavlina. what exactly does "get into spirituality" mean? |
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Post by Beingist on Aug 10, 2013 10:47:02 GMT -5
There's truly no better example of that warning than Andrew. Yup. Andrew even trumps alexplatups from Pavlina. Indeed, that guy (alexplatups) was something else, entirely. |
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 10, 2013 14:32:11 GMT -5
Seamless, you're just an ordinary seeker like everyone else. Everything you've said in this thread I've already heard a million times from others. I made a deal with the universe lol |
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Post by enigma on Aug 11, 2013 19:59:32 GMT -5
Did he really say that? That's funny! Good advice, though. He did! It's in "Consciousness and the Absolute". But peeps enjoy the circus.  |
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