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Post by laughter on Aug 9, 2013 13:56:34 GMT -5
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and squawks like duck, then clearly it's a giraffe.
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Post by topology on Aug 9, 2013 15:00:10 GMT -5
I don't know about "running the (entire) show" but when it comes to enforcing minimum standards of health, living conditions, and interpersonal behavior, it becomes highly practical if not necessary. And then you have disputes over limited or shared resources. Someone upstream from your grazing cattle dumps their waste in the stream. Government is the enforcement of a will. When I interrupt your behavior, your execution of your will, so that my will dominates, I am governing you. I don't see a way out of having government, even in anarchist communities. One community can dominate another. So I would rather have a government that operates transparently, open to be participated in by all, is about dialogue, facilitating understanding and enforcing minimum standards of living. Is this a radical view in Lubbock? I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 18:27:51 GMT -5
that's true, if the one doing the calling out is seeing clearly. but amateurs usually make a mess of things. ;-) may be. and some in the group of six might bemoan their situation, and curse their lot in life. or one of them might have a brainstorm, create an item or service that the others want, attract some capital, on be off to the races... That's pretty much one of the crumbs -- also known as the American Dream. Might best be represented as a lottery. And if one of those six gets lucky creating a biz they are still within the same system -- the ratio of workers to profiters is the same. I was just having a little fun, and speaking theoretically. I know its a crony capitalist system, and that the pig men can never get enough slop. ;-) But essentially its always going to be a barter system regardless of what country you're in .. and as long as the grocer will trade his chicken for coins, I guess I'll keep toiling away in the mines so that I can continue to eat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 21:30:21 GMT -5
Is this a radical view in Lubbock? I have no idea. topo is interesting. A govt to oversea all the tiny world govts?
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Post by topology on Aug 10, 2013 2:48:43 GMT -5
topo is interesting. A govt to oversea all the tiny world govts? My precious! Gaullum!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 9:13:15 GMT -5
GREAT news, My long lost son has emailed me from a 280,000bc civilisation in Africa. This time travel interest is really paying off. Perhaps when I have more news you will join-me Topo?
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 11, 2013 21:33:03 GMT -5
Greetings..
When it is understood that the many are also a collective whole, that when you hurt one you hurt all and when you help one you help all, then.. the mindscape that used to believe it could justify abuse, oppression, and corruption becomes awakened to the understanding that cooperation is always more beneficial to more of participants than conflict.. i sense that if the same efforts that religions and politicians use to indoctrinate followers and believers were used to make this understanding clearly apparent in society, without attaching socio-religious politics to it, the result could dramatically improve the human condition..
Similarly, given the certainty that there are sufficient resources that no person should be malnourished or denied quality medical treatment, why is it not a reality.. the reason that has not already happened is lack of the above understanding, and the perceived lack of incentive/profit to distribute and maintain supplies and logistical support.. the capitalist model of profit without ethical responsibility depends on the caste/class system.. and, as much as poverty diminishes a persons quality of Life, disrespect for their contribution, whatever it is, to the functional society is a contributing factor to the civil and social unrest that, if left unresolved, will likely decline into violent revolution..
The capitalist's belief that they should be paid commensurate with their contribution to society, is flawed by the manipulated and corrupted scales of work/pay ratio models.. 'who deserves how much' is a broken model..
Enlightened Communism, 'one for all, and all for one', while respecting the one's uniqueness as long as it doesn't incite dissonant conflict.. is a system worthy of consideration..
Random thoughts... Be well..
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Post by silver on Aug 11, 2013 21:42:05 GMT -5
Greetings.. When it is understood that the many are also a collective whole, that when you hurt one you hurt all and when you help one you help all, then.. the mindscape that used to believe it could justify abuse, oppression, and corruption becomes awakened to the understanding that cooperation is always more beneficial to more of participants than conflict.. i sense that if the same efforts that religions and politicians use to indoctrinate followers and believers were used to make this understanding clearly apparent in society, without attaching socio-religious politics to it, the result could dramatically improve the human condition.. Similarly, given the certainty that there are sufficient resources that no person should be malnourished or denied quality medical treatment, why is it not a reality.. the reason that has not already happened is lack of the above understanding, and the perceived lack of incentive/profit to distribute and maintain supplies and logistical support.. the capitalist model of profit without ethical responsibility depends on the caste/class system.. and, as much as poverty diminishes a persons quality of Life, disrespect for their contribution, whatever it is, to the functional society is a contributing factor to the civil and social unrest that, if left unresolved, will likely decline into violent revolution.. The capitalist's belief that they should be paid commensurate with their contribution to society, is flawed by the manipulated and corrupted scales of work/pay ratio models.. 'who deserves how much' is a broken model.. Enlightened Communism, 'one for all, and all for one', while respecting the one's uniqueness as long as it doesn't incite dissonant conflict.. is a system worthy of consideration.. Random thoughts... Be well.. I hope to get a chance to quote you sometime - well said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 23:14:07 GMT -5
Greetings.. When it is understood that the many are also a collective whole, that when you hurt one you hurt all and when you help one you help all, then.. the mindscape that used to believe it could justify abuse, oppression, and corruption becomes awakened to the understanding that cooperation is always more beneficial to more of participants than conflict.. i sense that if the same efforts that religions and politicians use to indoctrinate followers and believers were used to make this understanding clearly apparent in society, without attaching socio-religious politics to it, the result could dramatically improve the human condition.. Similarly, given the certainty that there are sufficient resources that no person should be malnourished or denied quality medical treatment, why is it not a reality.. the reason that has not already happened is lack of the above understanding, and the perceived lack of incentive/profit to distribute and maintain supplies and logistical support.. the capitalist model of profit without ethical responsibility depends on the caste/class system.. and, as much as poverty diminishes a persons quality of Life, disrespect for their contribution, whatever it is, to the functional society is a contributing factor to the civil and social unrest that, if left unresolved, will likely decline into violent revolution.. The capitalist's belief that they should be paid commensurate with their contribution to society, is flawed by the manipulated and corrupted scales of work/pay ratio models.. 'who deserves how much' is a broken model.. Enlightened Communism, 'one for all, and all for one', while respecting the one's uniqueness as long as it doesn't incite dissonant conflict.. is a system worthy of consideration.. Random thoughts... Be well.. excellent post. nameste'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 23:21:00 GMT -5
Mind is YIN an YANG modalities. awareness exists before the mind was(is) created an dies an disperses back into the awareness it was originally created out of. Awareness is closer to God than Religions that are created by minds an grouped conciousness.
How then does awareness create (purposefully) incompleteness if One is aware they are GOD creating?
~Swami Halfcock.
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 12, 2013 4:20:03 GMT -5
Greetings.. Mind is YIN an YANG modalities. awareness exists before the mind was(is) created an dies an disperses back into the awareness it was originally created out of. Awareness is closer to God than Religions that are created by minds an grouped conciousness. How then does awareness create (purposefully) incompleteness if One is aware they are GOD creating? ~Swami Halfpenis. Awareness and mind arise mutually interdependent.. awareness is a description conceived by mind to describe an attribute of mind, no mind/no awareness.. same applies to 'God'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 4:29:06 GMT -5
Greetings.. Mind is YIN an YANG modalities. awareness exists before the mind was(is) created an dies an disperses back into the awareness it was originally created out of. Awareness is closer to God than Religions that are created by minds an grouped conciousness. How then does awareness create (purposefully) incompleteness if One is aware they are GOD creating? ~Swami Halfpenis. Awareness and mind arise mutually interdependent.. awareness is a description conceived by mind to describe an attribute of mind, no mind/no awareness.. same applies to 'God'.. Be well.. awareness is before 'mind' arises. If it wasn't for awareness, Who would awaken you in the morning when your mind is still un-concious? Awareness is greater when the mind remains at the centre of gravity.
God is number one idiot.
Be
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 12, 2013 4:35:43 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Awareness and mind arise mutually interdependent.. awareness is a description conceived by mind to describe an attribute of mind, no mind/no awareness.. same applies to 'God'.. Be well.. awareness is before 'mind' arises. If it wasn't for awareness, Who would awaken you in the morning when your mind is still un-concious? Awareness is greater when the mind remains at the centre of gravity.
Be
Mind is never 'unconscious', it is only informed by variations of awareness.. in deep sleep, or when anesthetized, awareness and information input, are absent, but consciousness is present, so when you awake what was there is there but you are not 'aware' of what occurred during the absence of awareness interval.. there is no 'greater'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 6:11:46 GMT -5
Greetings.. awareness is before 'mind' arises. If it wasn't for awareness, Who would awaken you in the morning when your mind is still un-concious? Awareness is greater when the mind remains at the centre of gravity.
Be
Mind is never 'unconscious', it is only informed by variations of awareness.. in deep sleep, or when anesthetized, awareness and information input, are absent, but consciousness is present, so when you awake what was there is there but you are not 'aware' of what occurred during the absence of awareness interval.. there is no 'greater'.. Be well.. so you distinquish the brains-mind of thought as not the mind, but the mind is what we are delivered into at birth... that which creates a 'separate-mind' which creates duality within non-dual Reality?
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Post by chinabelle on Aug 12, 2013 9:25:29 GMT -5
the mind is conditioned after birth. we are born free. That is who we are, That never leaves us. How can our being ever depart.. Heart mind is love,barriers come down... only one heart one love, simplicity..
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