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Post by amit on Jul 17, 2013 2:30:21 GMT -5
Hi Steven, Thanks. Accepted as your view. amit Hi Amit, What can you say about Samadhi? And how does your Character relate to that? Hi Steven, Not much from my own consideration of it. I hear what you say however and based on that have difficulty seeing that it has a relevance but that is not saying that it has no relevance for others. Could you say more about what you consider its relevance to be? In terms of my character it would be a terrible burden. It involves doing something for a relevance I don't see and that I have no resonance with whatsoever. This is not saying that it has no resonance for others. My mind considers everything that comes its way and decides whether it is useful for me. I trust it and value its attempt to conserve energy. My view is that I was conditioned to believe that I needed to do something to solve feeling disconnected. I have found that to be very unhelpful and ultimately false for me, as after a resonance with All is One, disconnection is impossible so no activity required about that. amit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 3:26:29 GMT -5
if we have a mind, we will dream dreams based on unprocessed earlier ideas an unmet desires. example... I considered a thought not too-long ago an wondered if 'Now' was the righttime to become a vegitarian like my beloved. She's never liked meat; my 'I' was conditioned in ealier-life to become a Hunter an a very effective-one.
In my dream, first... I chop off my right index finger with a blow from the blade in my left-hand an dont think much about it, just travel-on along wiff me dream. Further along in me dream, im at a banquet of hot food delicasies(asian style)an im walking slowly down the length of the table,appreciating which of the wonderfully clourful foods i would sample...an there, beside the meats on bamboo skewers lays an index finger in back bean sauce. Mmm,not ever havin eaten a finger before, I pick-up the morsel in me left hand an chew upon it...crunching away untill i become aware of the thought, 'thats my finger im eating!'
Rather than awakening to myself(as in concious-dreaming)and flying off an going where i might wanna/rather be...i decides to taste my finger, me mouth full of juices an saliva. At that point, fear arose, that i maybe sick if i swallowed the masturcated juices, but being a deep an meaningful person, i decided to go ahead...I forced me self to swollow the chewed-up grissle an saliva, an 'actualised a stomach' an felt the food drop into me belly.
i suprised myself that i wasnt sick at all, that i was just playing along with me thoughts an woke up out of me dream state, an back in the world.
Now, about no-mind...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 3:42:09 GMT -5
no amount of forgetfullness is going to help us loose our mind. Once created, the mind stays on, adding to its storeage of ideas untill ripe an full, an then it pops. Like a bubble bursts, fragments of substance returns to base, where the mind set-out from in the begining, when we awaken each morning. When we awaken, we must awaken as awarely as we can without giving Power to our minds(if we still have one) Stay in the realm of dreams, before the greatest dream is created...that of your mind. In a state of conciousness prior to mind-empowerment, one becomes more aware of the causal-plane, an will spend longer amounts of time there, enjoying the state prior to joy...ie, before having a reason to be happy, such as scoring a new girlfriend.lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 9:50:26 GMT -5
Hi Amit, What can you say about Samadhi? And how does your Character relate to that? Hi Steven, Not much from my own consideration of it. I hear what you say however and based on that have difficulty seeing that it has a relevance but that is not saying that it has no relevance for others. Could you say more about what you consider its relevance to be? In terms of my character it would be a terrible burden. It involves doing something for a relevance I don't see and that I have no resonance with whatsoever. This is not saying that it has no resonance for others. My mind considers everything that comes its way and decides whether it is useful for me. I trust it and value its attempt to conserve energy. My view is that I was conditioned to believe that I needed to do something to solve feeling disconnected. I have found that to be very unhelpful and ultimately false for me, as after a resonance with All is One, disconnection is impossible so no activity required about that. amit How does your resonance with "all is one" make you feel....how does feeling connected make you feel physically and emotionally?
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Post by laughter on Jul 17, 2013 11:40:46 GMT -5
To All, Thanks. If you could elaborate a little more about what it may be in your character that attracted you to 1) or 2) above. For instance was it anything like Serpentqueen had to say about having or not having discipline? There may be other aspects of character that you feel are relevant to the choice, not just discipline. I did not mean to exclude those who regard themselves as no longer seekers. Presumably you were seekers at some point. amit Yoga for back pain and Toll's book "The Power of Now" for insomnia when I saw practice as an end to something. At that time I didn't even consider it "practice", just some tools for feeling better. Tolle particularly -- for the first time in my adult life I bought a book that wasn't about science and history. There's a backstory as to why. Tolle's prescription of "watch the thinker" has been by "arouse the mind without resting it on anything", "ATA" and "refuse all thoughts but I AM", but that's after the fact of realizing the imperative futility of practice.
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Post by lolly on Jul 18, 2013 5:28:03 GMT -5
What you practice you improve.
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Post by laughter on Jul 19, 2013 9:18:39 GMT -5
What you practice you improve. This implicates the imperative aspect of "imperative futility". In recognizing either the interconnectedness of all things, or if instead, looking outward with an eye free of the first thought, free of separation, the effect of every apparent action or even in-action (just being) of every apparent object on every other is quite pronounced. In those instants the choices that are made (which are really only ever one choice) do appear to effect this apparent interdependence. The fact that the mind perceives a choice with no chooser is only of consequence to the thinking mind.
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Post by lolly on Jul 23, 2013 7:17:12 GMT -5
What you practice you improve. This implicates the imperative aspect of "imperative futility". In recognizing either the interconnectedness of all things, or if instead, looking outward with an eye free of the first thought, free of separation, the effect of every apparent action or even in-action (just being) of every apparent object on every other is quite pronounced. In those instants the choices that are made (which are really only ever one choice) do appear to effect this apparent interdependence. The fact that the mind perceives a choice with no chooser is only of consequence to the thinking mind. meditation has numerous benefits, so it works It's simple... you take no action and the breathing just happens... you take action and you can breathe deeper faster slower shallower, through the nose, mouth, or hold the breath as you choose. Then you stop choosing and the breath continues just happening.
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Post by laughter on Jul 23, 2013 7:37:46 GMT -5
This implicates the imperative aspect of "imperative futility". In recognizing either the interconnectedness of all things, or if instead, looking outward with an eye free of the first thought, free of separation, the effect of every apparent action or even in-action (just being) of every apparent object on every other is quite pronounced. In those instants the choices that are made (which are really only ever one choice) do appear to effect this apparent interdependence. The fact that the mind perceives a choice with no chooser is only of consequence to the thinking mind. meditation has numerous benefits, so it works It's simple... you take no action and the breathing just happens... you take action and you can breathe deeper faster slower shallower, through the nose, mouth, or hold the breath as you choose. Then you stop choosing and the breath continues just happening. Sure seem that way.
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Post by lolly on Jul 23, 2013 7:53:36 GMT -5
meditation has numerous benefits, so it works It's simple... you take no action and the breathing just happens... you take action and you can breathe deeper faster slower shallower, through the nose, mouth, or hold the breath as you choose. Then you stop choosing and the breath continues just happening. Sure seem that way. ;) You notice you're breathing anyway, then you can change it if you want. Isn't it that easy?
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