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Post by amit on Jul 16, 2013 17:08:04 GMT -5
Hi tzu, One can see how the Holographic Universe/Mind idea relates to the concept of non-duality but only ideas. For me there are no absolutes so "reality" is no more than another idea for me. hmmm ... breakfast just appeared here ... Hi laughter, "breakfast just appeared here" Apparently. Only joking in terms of how you see it but it wouldn't be a joke for me. amit
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Post by laughter on Jul 16, 2013 17:19:12 GMT -5
hmmm ... breakfast just appeared here ... Hi laughter, "breakfast just appeared here" Apparently. Only joking in terms of how you see it but it wouldn't be a joke for me. amit Amit my friend, to be perfectly honest that was a description of actuality ... I had a glass of iced tea when I read your reply this morning and was gonna type something like (** ice cubes jingle **) but right then my wife brought me a plate of eggs and fruit and stuff ... "ahh, breakfast has appeared". That it fit in as a joke was a bonus! If theories like the HU catch the attention of someone who mistakes appearances for actuality then in my opinion they've served well. When they spin up the thinker and obscure actuality, on the other hand ... hmmm, another story! The mind looks good on a diet.
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Post by amit on Jul 16, 2013 17:21:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, One can see how the Holographic Universe/Mind idea relates to the concept of non-duality but only ideas. For me there are no absolutes so "reality" is no more than another idea for me. My senses pick up that stuff appears to be happening, but only apparently. I have no idea what is actually going on and don't see how I could. There is bound to be some data that I'm not aware of somewhere in the Universe that relates to whats going on so there is no point going there for me. Its sufficient that I have some ideas about whats going on but that's nothing like saying I'm in touch with 'reality'. Even if my mind was still it would only be my idea about the degree of its stillness. I guess it depends on the character, even a strong feeling of stillness and clear seeing would not be convincing for me so I don't bother with any of it. I would spend too much time wondering whether my mind was still or not and whether I was seeing clearly. It would be a burden. Could you say something about whether any such doubtful thoughts arise for you around a still mind and clear seeing? amit I guess characters I'm not sure i understand the question.. the still mind is curious in that it allows information to be experienced, i am not trying to have a 'still mind' anymore, it happens as the opportunities happen, so there's no 'doubt'.. Why do you "guess characters"? Be well.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. Its an academic interest mainly. I prefer to hear from the character 'itself' to have a sense of how 'it' thinks and feels. Its how I get a sense of knowing folk and them me. I use the words "It" an "Itself" as for me its a construction for defensive purposes. That may not be the case for others but nevertheless I explore it for a stage can be reached where what is behind the construction can be seen and related to. It usually requires a lot of trust and much more difficult in a place such as this. It happens a lot in my face to face relationships I'm glad to say. Do you have any interest in that sort of stuff? amit
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 16, 2013 20:16:37 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I'm not sure i understand the question.. the still mind is curious in that it allows information to be experienced, i am not trying to have a 'still mind' anymore, it happens as the opportunities happen, so there's no 'doubt'.. Why do you "guess characters"? Be well.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. Its an academic interest mainly. I prefer to hear from the character 'itself' to have a sense of how 'it' thinks and feels. Its how I get a sense of knowing folk and them me. I use the words "It" an "Itself" as for me its a construction for defensive purposes. That may not be the case for others but nevertheless I explore it for a stage can be reached where what is behind the construction can be seen and related to. It usually requires a lot of trust and much more difficult in a place such as this. It happens a lot in my face to face relationships I'm glad to say. Do you have any interest in that sort of stuff? amit I'm curious.. why do you construct something, then explore it to see what's behind it? Currently, my interest is in your intention, what are you trying to accomplish? Be well..
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Post by amit on Jul 17, 2013 1:31:47 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu, Understood. Thanks. Its an academic interest mainly. I prefer to hear from the character 'itself' to have a sense of how 'it' thinks and feels. Its how I get a sense of knowing folk and them me. I use the words "It" an "Itself" as for me its a construction for defensive purposes. That may not be the case for others but nevertheless I explore it for a stage can be reached where what is behind the construction can be seen and related to. It usually requires a lot of trust and much more difficult in a place such as this. It happens a lot in my face to face relationships I'm glad to say. Do you have any interest in that sort of stuff? amit I'm curious.. why do you construct something, then explore it to see what's behind it? Currently, my interest is in your intention, what are you trying to accomplish? Be well.. Hi tzu, "why do you construct something". The construction is required for defensive purposes and presented to the world to varying degrees depending on the level of perceived threat. I am keenly aware of this construction in my own life for the mind, which created it, monitors it for effectiveness. It is a completely false facade and bears no relation to 'who I am' in a sense that does not feel false. That "who I am" is interesting. It feels like The Mind 'Watching', taking a keen interest in the well-being of the character. Mind can vary anything about the character, the way it looks, the way it speaks, but not the way it feels. Feeling seems like it abides with Mind and not with the character (Ego for shorthand) its creation which is merely a facade. In my view this is where the confusion arises when mind is regarded as having no feeling. For me it is only mind that has feeling. It is the facade it creates that does not. The mind can make it appear as though the character has feeling but that is only part of the facade. Do you have anything like this going on? Do you have a sense that you present differently in different situations and why that might be? "my interest is in your intention, what are you trying to accomplish?" If a relationship can be established where the defenses are known and acknowledged then the mind in each becomes known to the other. It is a connection that seems to be beyond the facade. For me there is intention to develop that wherever possible as relating on the level of the facade is a limited experience. It is not the end of the characters in the relationship, in fact playing around with each others character becomes fun as they are no longer needed for defense but retained to varying degrees for other relationships. Once the defenses are down in that way it is devastating should the relationship break up so it is not surprising that one is reluctant to relax them. This is all to with love of course for if there is love (The more unconditional the better) the less the need for defenses. amit
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Post by amit on Jul 17, 2013 1:48:22 GMT -5
Greetings.. I'm curious.. why do you construct something, then explore it to see what's behind it? Currently, my interest is in your intention, what are you trying to accomplish? Be well.. Hi tzu, "why do you construct something". The construction is required for defensive purposes and presented to the world to varying degrees depending on the level of perceived threat. I am keenly aware of this construction in my own life for the mind, which created it, monitors it for effectiveness. It is a completely false facade and bears no relation to 'who I am' in a sense that does not feel false. That "who I am" is interesting. It feels like The Mind 'Watching', taking a keen interest in the well-being of the character. Mind can vary anything about the character, the way it looks, the way it speaks, but not the way it feels. Feeling seems like it abides with Mind and not with the character (Ego for shorthand) its creation which is merely a facade. In my view this is where the confusion arises when mind is regarded as having no feeling. For me it is only mind that has feeling. It is the facade it creates that does not. The mind can make it appear as though the character has feeling but that is only part of the facade. Do you have anything like this going on? Do you have a sense that you present differently in different situations and why that might be? "my interest is in your intention, what are you trying to accomplish?" If a relationship can be established where the defenses are known and acknowledged then the mind in each becomes known to the other. It is a connection that seems to be beyond the facade. For me there is intention to develop that wherever possible as relating on the level of the facade is a limited experience. It is not the end of the characters in the relationship, in fact playing around with each others character becomes fun as they are no longer needed for defense but retained to varying degrees for other relationships. Once the defenses are down in that way it is devastating should the relationship break up so it is not surprising that one is reluctant to relax them. This is all to with love of course for if there is love (The more unconditional the better) the less the need for defenses. amit PS. It feels like there are times, desperate times, when the mind breaks through the facade with very strong feeling. All careful construction is gone. In fact the character gets smashed for varying periods of time often referred to as a mental breakdown. It still looks like it is the character feeling but at those times the character is gone and the organism is at its most vulnerable. amit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 1:59:46 GMT -5
Hi tzu, "why do you construct something". The construction is required for defensive purposes and presented to the world to varying degrees depending on the level of perceived threat. I am keenly aware of this construction in my own life for the mind, which created it, monitors it for effectiveness. It is a completely false facade and bears no relation to 'who I am' in a sense that does not feel false. That "who I am" is interesting. It feels like The Mind 'Watching', taking a keen interest in the well-being of the character. Mind can vary anything about the character, the way it looks, the way it speaks, but not the way it feels. Feeling seems like it abides with Mind and not with the character (Ego for shorthand) its creation which is merely a facade. In my view this is where the confusion arises when mind is regarded as having no feeling. For me it is only mind that has feeling. It is the facade it creates that does not. The mind can make it appear as though the character has feeling but that is only part of the facade. Do you have anything like this going on? Do you have a sense that you present differently in different situations and why that might be? "my interest is in your intention, what are you trying to accomplish?" If a relationship can be established where the defenses are known and acknowledged then the mind in each becomes known to the other. It is a connection that seems to be beyond the facade. For me there is intention to develop that wherever possible as relating on the level of the facade is a limited experience. It is not the end of the characters in the relationship, in fact playing around with each others character becomes fun as they are no longer needed for defense but retained to varying degrees for other relationships. Once the defenses are down in that way it is devastating should the relationship break up so it is not surprising that one is reluctant to relax them. This is all to with love of course for if there is love (The more unconditional the better) the less the need for defenses. amit PS. It feels like there are times, desperate times, when the mind breaks through the facade with very strong feeling. All careful construction is gone. In fact the character gets smashed for varying periods of time often referred to as a mental breakdown. It still looks like it is the character feeling but at those times the character is gone and the organism is at its most vulnerable. amit Amit... You just laid out a very hierarchical view of things, and your reasoning and methods of trying to work with the hierarchies that you laid out....several different areas of hierarchical views actually.....try to go back and look at what you just wrote with an objective eye and see if you can identify the hierarchies that you've created. Fundamentally, you are doing nothing different than anyone else here, but when they explain their hierarchies and methods for dealing with them, you describe them as too much of a burden, but your own hierarchies and methods of dealing with them are not too much of a burden....can you see how this is true of most people here? Each has their own hierarchies, and their own way of "dealing" or interacting with them, and each finds the others hierarchies and way of dealing with them to be "too much of a burden". Haha, it's all Mind stuff, and in that Mind stuff is a kind of prison, a sleep, a dream.
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Post by amit on Jul 17, 2013 2:34:33 GMT -5
Amit... You just laid out a very hierarchical view of things, and your reasoning and methods of trying to work with the hierarchies that you laid out....several different areas of hierarchical views actually.....try to go back and look at what you just wrote with an objective eye and see if you can identify the hierarchies that you've created. Fundamentally, you are doing nothing different than anyone else here, but when they explain their hierarchies and methods for dealing with them, you describe them as too much of a burden, but your own hierarchies and methods of dealing with them are not too much of a burden....can you see how this is true of most people here? Each has their own hierarchies, and their own way of "dealing" or interacting with them, and each finds the others hierarchies and way of dealing with them to be "too much of a burden". Haha, it's all Mind stuff, and in that Mind stuff is a kind of prison, a sleep, a dream. Hi Steven, I guess so. If it is believed that having to do nothing for connection is a burden then yes it will be a burden for those characters. amit
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Post by amit on Jul 17, 2013 2:49:18 GMT -5
Amit... You just laid out a very hierarchical view of things, and your reasoning and methods of trying to work with the hierarchies that you laid out....several different areas of hierarchical views actually.....try to go back and look at what you just wrote with an objective eye and see if you can identify the hierarchies that you've created. Fundamentally, you are doing nothing different than anyone else here, but when they explain their hierarchies and methods for dealing with them, you describe them as too much of a burden, but your own hierarchies and methods of dealing with them are not too much of a burden....can you see how this is true of most people here? Each has their own hierarchies, and their own way of "dealing" or interacting with them, and each finds the others hierarchies and way of dealing with them to be "too much of a burden". Haha, it's all Mind stuff, and in that Mind stuff is a kind of prison, a sleep, a dream. Hi Steven, PS. Developing the sort of relationships I have been describing has no relevance for connection to All that is One. No activity has any relevance for that. amit
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