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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 22:43:24 GMT -5
Haha, what exactly do you imagine that I am making up? What do I imagine that you are making up?? Hmmm, I haven't really thought about it... So the post you made about the critters coming out when folks "make stuff up" was just kind of a random blurb, unrelated to your other posts here?
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 12, 2013 22:46:19 GMT -5
Greetings..
Hi Steven: I'm interested in your history/lineage with Tantra.. would you mind sharing your teachers and the lineage(s) of your knowledge?
Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 22:54:43 GMT -5
What do I imagine that you are making up?? Hmmm, I haven't really thought about it... So the post you made about the critters coming out when folks "make stuff up" was just kind of a random blurb, unrelated to your other posts here? It means I've dropped the desire to imagine what your making up...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 23:01:03 GMT -5
So the post you made about the critters coming out when folks "make stuff up" was just kind of a random blurb, unrelated to your other posts here? It means I've dropped the desire to imagine what your making up... :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:25:45 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi Steven: I'm interested in your history/lineage with Tantra.. would you mind sharing your teachers and the lineage(s) of your knowledge? Be well.. I've tried to avoid "lineages", as they seem to spend more effort on maintaining the lineage than practical application. However, contained in many lineages are many practical "methods", so in that regard, the lineage that has most informed me is the Trika School of Kashmir Shaivism, but more specifically the text: Vigyan Bhairav Tantra Within that text are the 112 Dh?ranas or Meditation entering techniques, within these 112 and their variations of application, are ALL meditation entering techniques. My first teacher of these techniques was Osho Rajneesh, though in 22 years of continuos "practice" of these methods, they were synthesized in a way that experience, and witnessing became the "teacher". The Tantric methods are what is called a Dh?rana Tantra can SEEM to be somewhat mystical to to the outside observer, but in reality Tantra is all about the practicalities of this "path". Think of it as a kind of 3 step process of your undoing. Dharana is a Sanskrit word that basically describes a very practical way of entering a meditative state, it is the beginning of meditation, in these "entry" methods, ones attention is so focused on a direct and singular experience that the habitual movement of our mind body is stopped, the methods are designed to make this easy, and to make it possible for one to enter into a kind of effortless practice that becomes a Dhy?na, and in turn Dhy?na opens to Samadhi, which is your complete undoing. These are some fancy sounding words, but really they are just describing a very practical approach that uses everyday experiences as a "gateway" to centering and your undoing. A Dh?rana, or Tantric Technique, is a method of altering one's habitual perspective in a way that breaks the chain of habitual Mind movement, and makes it easier to utterly focus on one experience VERY deeply. In Dh?rana, habitual movement is ceased, and attention is held on one experience, but there is still awareness of 3 phenomena: 1. Your own Awareness, or Beingness, or Essential Existence 2. The act, or engagement of oneself in a kind of focused meditative process. 3. The object of your attention, i.e. the experience that you are concentrating your attention upon With continued practice, Dhy?rana undoes oneself into Dhy?na, which is a deeper meditative state, wherein the Tantrica is only 2 phenomena: 1. Your own Awareness, or Beingness, or Essential Existence 2. The object of your attention, i.e. the experience that you are concentrating your attention upon In Dhy?na, the awareness of "Practice" or any kind of "doing" is no more, and one has undone practice into a kind of effortless practice, wherein there is no "doing", only observer and observed. With continued Dhy?na, one is undone still further into Samadhi, wherein only one phenomena remains: There is only an occurrence of phenomena, but the observer, or self, disappears, and is undone. There is no awareness of "Self". The self falls away and "you" are no more. There is only phenomena occurring in a sensory field, with nobody "home" to receive it, process it, have knowledge about it, or be familiar with it. Your very existence is undone so to speak. In the lineage of Trika Shaivism, where the 112 techniques were documented,they call this disappearance of self God Union, though I don't cling to that idea, it just is what it is with no definitions. The 112 Tantric methods of observation are not concerned with philosophy, or knowledge, or realization etc, they are about practicality. The practicality of using everyday experience to center and undo oneself. Largely they offer a way to "shift" ones perspective of common experience in such a way that the change of perspective makes it easier to "hold" ones attention on one phenomenon instead of having your attention continuously bouncing from place to place in a kind of habitual movement that one gets absorbed in. By holding attention on one phenomenon in a way that slightly shifts one habitual perspective of that phenomenon, one becomes "centered", and then drops the center. The 112 techniques and the variations of how to apply each have as much variation as all of human personalities and all of human experience in this realm if existence, meaning that there is an applicable technique for every personality and/or every activity of a lived life. Which means that every moment can be an opening to centering, being, and ultimately Samadhi. For the last 22 years I have applied these "techniques" of centering, and opening nearly continuously in every part of life, making a kind of continuos unbroken meditation. As a result of 22 years of "practice", I may be able to help some folks that are interested to learn the application of these methods of "undoing".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:37:53 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi Steven: I'm interested in your history/lineage with Tantra.. would you mind sharing your teachers and the lineage(s) of your knowledge? Be well.. As an aside Tzu, the Doctrines contained in the Trika school of Kashmiri Shaivism very much align with your Doctrines TZu, but I don't "hold" those or any other Doctrines.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:42:21 GMT -5
I need help to drop the notion of 'undoing'...
Wait a minute, maybe not...hehehe
Carry on...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:52:31 GMT -5
I need help to drop the notion of 'undoing'... Wait a minute, maybe not...hehehe Carry on... You probably Rez more with the words: "Letting go of" of back I'm glad you "backed away" from the word lawyering ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:59:46 GMT -5
I need help to drop the notion of 'undoing'... Wait a minute, maybe not...hehehe Carry on... You probably Rez more with the words: "Letting go of" of back I'm glad you "backed away" from the word lawyering ;-) I envision my fingers being pryed from some object when I hear the term 'Letting go of'... I prefer dropping like dropping a match that is burning my fingers... Of course they mean the same thing in regards to some negativity...hehe
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 19:25:31 GMT -5
Okay, for this week, while sitting and holding the eyeballs and the rest of your body perfectly still, begin to practice holding the Mind still for a few seconds at a time....an easy way to do this is to keep your body and your eyes very still as before, but very intently focus your attention on an imaginary shiny black stone inside the center of your tongue...the body and mind are connected, and conceptual thought is tied to your tongue, by keeping the tongue and your eyes and the rest of your body very still, and focusing on an imaginary stone inside your tongue, conceptual thoughts will be frozen, unable to move while intently focused on the imaginary stone....practice doing this until it is effortless, and until you aren't even aware of the imaginary stone in your tongue anymore.
To build in the exploration of looking and the eyes, and to make use of another tantric technique:
"Look upon some object, then slowly withdraw your sight from it, then slowly withdraw your thought from it. Then."
Get an empty bowl, and look very intently at it with the full attention of both your vision and your Mind...but look at the whole bowl at once, do not let your eyes roam around the surface of the bowl....while gazing at the whole bowl at once...slowly draw you sense of vision inward while still looking at the bowl....once you are feeling that you are drawing your vision inward, try to draw your thoughts of the bowl inward....keep "pulling inward on both your thoughts and your vision of the bowl while keeping your gaze on it...with a bit of practice, your sense of self, and looking will disappear, as if all that exists is an experience of unidentified visual phenomena.
Look at the bowl, while also "feeling" the bowl with your Mind...then first withdraw your vision from the bowl, and then your Mind's feeling from the bowl....once you have perfected it with the bowl, do this with random objects throughout the day for this week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 17:13:34 GMT -5
For this week, we will look at Sutra # 68 of the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra:
"As a hen mothers her chicks, mother particular knowings, particular doings, IN REALITY."
Have you ever watched the complete and total attention that a mother hen or goose gives to her chicks?
Or a cat when it is stalking its prey?
This Sutra is about total engagement with what is occurring right now.
" 'Mother' particular knowings, particular doings"
Whatsoever you are aware of doing: Thinking, looking, driving, talking, cooking....whatsoever you are doing, mother it with complete attention, complete doing. Be absolutely engaged in it with full attentiveness.
"In Reality"
This bit is crucial...."In Reality"
Look and see how often you are actually totally centered in this moment and what is going on or what you are doing right now....so much of our time is spent living in hopes and fears for some future thing or some past event, or what other people are doing, or have done, or will do, or should do.
Or, we can also get lost in other people's experience and live sorta vicariously through other's ideas and thoughts.
We can and do become like automations
When we hug our children or kiss our spouse we do it in a kind of automation because its whats expected...when we do our work, same thing.
When we watch a sunset we are not totally present in the act of watching, the mind wanders to thoughts about beauty or God or what needs done tomorrow, or how more people should watch sunsets.
When we talk to people we listen without being totally present in the act of listening, when we speak, same thing.
So much of our lives is spent in a kind of dream state where we are doing things in a kind of automation while the mind wanders away from this present reality of this moment's doing, thinking, watching, being etc...
This Sutra is about giving total attention to whatever knowing or doing or happening that is occurring right now, in reality, not a dream of past or future or other thoughts or things that are not right here right now.
There are two Chinese expressions, on is called Wu Wei. Loosely translated, this means "flow without attachment".
The second expression is "Kung Fu"...we associate Kung Fu with martial arts, but really it is not a martial arts expression, loosely translated, it mean Complete Doing, or acting with total attention...if you are washing the dishes with your complete attention then you are practicing Kung Fu.
This Sutra is about what I call "Wu Wei Kung Fu"
Flowing without attachment with complete attention on what you are doing or aware of internally or externally....this is Wu Wei Kung Fu
In advaita, these Sutras are called a Dh?rana, which simply means the giving of concentrated attention... it takes some effort to maintain Dh?rana and not wander into the dreamland of our mind, but this is the nature of "spiritual effort".
"Spiritual effort" or Sadhana, just means to be consistent in bring attention back to the Dh?rana, or the object of attention, instead of letting the mind wander off unattentively into dreamland.
The beauty of this Sutra, this Dh?rana, this object of attention, is that it incorporates daily normal life. Whatever you are doing or thinking at work, or at home, or at play, whatever, give it your total attention.
If you keep at it, this Dh?rana will become a Dhy?na, or meditation state where doing and effort disappear.
With consistency of Dhy?na, Dhy?na opens into an effortless relative Samadhi, where the doer and individuated self drop away and one merges into, or becomes centered in limitless subjectivity while whatever happening occurs.
Every activity is occurring opened into the boundless limitlessness of yourself.
" 'Mother' particular knowings, particular doings, IN REALITY. [this moment without imagination]"
This Sutra is a means for living life in the completeness and fullness of your total self, from the limitless undifferentiated self to the dish washing self, no separation....Total beyond Totalities.
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Post by topology on Aug 3, 2013 17:37:23 GMT -5
For this week, we will look at Sutra # 68 of the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra: "As a hen mothers her chicks, mother particular knowings, particular doings, IN REALITY."Have you ever watched the complete and total attention that a mother hen or goose gives to her chicks? Or a cat when it is stalking its prey? This Sutra is about total engagement with what is occurring right now. " 'Mother' particular knowings, particular doings" Whatsoever you are aware of doing: Thinking, looking, driving, talking, cooking....whatsoever you are doing, mother it with complete attention, complete doing. Be absolutely engaged in it with full attentiveness. "In Reality" This bit is crucial...."In Reality" Look and see how often you are actually totally centered in this moment and what is going on or what you are doing right now....so much of our time is spent living in hopes and fears for some future thing or some past event, or what other people are doing, or have done, or will do, or should do. Or, we can also get lost in other people's experience and live sorta vicariously through other's ideas and thoughts. We can and do become like automations When we hug our children or kiss our spouse we do it in a kind of automation because its whats expected...when we do our work, same thing. When we watch a sunset we are not totally present in the act of watching, the mind wanders to thoughts about beauty or God or what needs done tomorrow, or how more people should watch sunsets. When we talk to people we listen without being totally present in the act of listening, when we speak, same thing. So much of our lives is spent in a kind of dream state where we are doing things in a kind of automation while the mind wanders away from this present reality of this moment's doing, thinking, watching, being etc... This Sutra is about giving total attention to whatever knowing or doing or happening that is occurring right now, in reality, not a dream of past or future or other thoughts or things that are not right here right now. There are two Chinese expressions, on is called Wu Wei. Loosely translated, this means "flow without attachment". The second expression is "Kung Fu"...we associate Kung Fu with martial arts, but really it is not a martial arts expression, loosely translated, it mean Complete Doing, or acting with total attention...if you are washing the dishes with your complete attention then you are practicing Kung Fu. This Sutra is about what I call "Wu Wei Kung Fu" Flowing without attachment with complete attention on what you are doing or aware of internally or externally....this is Wu Wei Kung Fu In advaita, these Sutras are called a Dh?rana, which simply means the giving of concentrated attention... it takes some effort to maintain Dh?rana and not wander into the dreamland of our mind, but this is the nature of "spiritual effort". "Spiritual effort" or Sadhana, just means to be consistent in bring attention back to the Dh?rana, or the object of attention, instead of letting the mind wander off unattentively into dreamland. The beauty of this Sutra, this Dh?rana, this object of attention, is that it incorporates daily normal life. Whatever you are doing or thinking at work, or at home, or at play, whatever, give it your total attention. If you keep at it, this Dh?rana will become a Dhy?na, or meditation state where doing and effort disappear. With consistency of Dhy?na, Dhy?na opens into an effortless relative Samadhi, where the doer and individuated self drop away and one merges into, or becomes centered in limitless subjectivity while whatever happening occurs. Every activity is occurring opened into the boundless limitlessness of yourself. " 'Mother' particular knowings, particular doings, IN REALITY. [this moment without imagination]" This Sutra is a means for living life in the completeness and fullness of your total self, from the limitless undifferentiated self to the dish washing self, no separation....Total beyond Totalities. *peeks into the nursery and sees Steve playing with his toys* *closes the door quietly so as not to disturb him*
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 17:42:53 GMT -5
For this week, we will look at Sutra # 68 of the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra: "As a hen mothers her chicks, mother particular knowings, particular doings, IN REALITY."Have you ever watched the complete and total attention that a mother hen or goose gives to her chicks? Or a cat when it is stalking its prey? This Sutra is about total engagement with what is occurring right now. " 'Mother' particular knowings, particular doings" Whatsoever you are aware of doing: Thinking, looking, driving, talking, cooking....whatsoever you are doing, mother it with complete attention, complete doing. Be absolutely engaged in it with full attentiveness. "In Reality" This bit is crucial...."In Reality" Look and see how often you are actually totally centered in this moment and what is going on or what you are doing right now....so much of our time is spent living in hopes and fears for some future thing or some past event, or what other people are doing, or have done, or will do, or should do. Or, we can also get lost in other people's experience and live sorta vicariously through other's ideas and thoughts. We can and do become like automations When we hug our children or kiss our spouse we do it in a kind of automation because its whats expected...when we do our work, same thing. When we watch a sunset we are not totally present in the act of watching, the mind wanders to thoughts about beauty or God or what needs done tomorrow, or how more people should watch sunsets. When we talk to people we listen without being totally present in the act of listening, when we speak, same thing. So much of our lives is spent in a kind of dream state where we are doing things in a kind of automation while the mind wanders away from this present reality of this moment's doing, thinking, watching, being etc... This Sutra is about giving total attention to whatever knowing or doing or happening that is occurring right now, in reality, not a dream of past or future or other thoughts or things that are not right here right now. There are two Chinese expressions, on is called Wu Wei. Loosely translated, this means "flow without attachment". The second expression is "Kung Fu"...we associate Kung Fu with martial arts, but really it is not a martial arts expression, loosely translated, it mean Complete Doing, or acting with total attention...if you are washing the dishes with your complete attention then you are practicing Kung Fu. This Sutra is about what I call "Wu Wei Kung Fu" Flowing without attachment with complete attention on what you are doing or aware of internally or externally....this is Wu Wei Kung Fu In advaita, these Sutras are called a Dh?rana, which simply means the giving of concentrated attention... it takes some effort to maintain Dh?rana and not wander into the dreamland of our mind, but this is the nature of "spiritual effort". "Spiritual effort" or Sadhana, just means to be consistent in bring attention back to the Dh?rana, or the object of attention, instead of letting the mind wander off unattentively into dreamland. The beauty of this Sutra, this Dh?rana, this object of attention, is that it incorporates daily normal life. Whatever you are doing or thinking at work, or at home, or at play, whatever, give it your total attention. If you keep at it, this Dh?rana will become a Dhy?na, or meditation state where doing and effort disappear. With consistency of Dhy?na, Dhy?na opens into an effortless relative Samadhi, where the doer and individuated self drop away and one merges into, or becomes centered in limitless subjectivity while whatever happening occurs. Every activity is occurring opened into the boundless limitlessness of yourself. " 'Mother' particular knowings, particular doings, IN REALITY. [this moment without imagination]" This Sutra is a means for living life in the completeness and fullness of your total self, from the limitless undifferentiated self to the dish washing self, no separation....Total beyond Totalities. *peeks into the nursery and sees Steve playing with his toys* *closes the door quietly so as not to disturb him* You are far too Wise for me to comprehend. And your Logic is far to sound for me to penetrate.
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Post by topology on Aug 3, 2013 17:50:21 GMT -5
*peeks into the nursery and sees Steve playing with his toys* *closes the door quietly so as not to disturb him* You are far too Wise for me to comprehend. And your Logic is far to sound for me to penetrate. Give it a try, Steve. Where is my comment coming from? Why did I write it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 17:56:08 GMT -5
You are far too Wise for me to comprehend. And your Logic is far to sound for me to penetrate. Give it a try, Steve. Where is my comment coming from? Why did I write it? I love you brother, but I'm not interested in living through you or delving your psychology or motivations. This does not, BTW, mean that I am devaluing you ;-)
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