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Post by Beingist on Jul 10, 2013 22:14:41 GMT -5
Ego sum qui sum
"I am Who am".
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Post by silence on Jul 10, 2013 23:19:05 GMT -5
You're God, You're not God, God is dead, God is everything. All can be discarded.
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Post by JacobIsrael on Jul 11, 2013 8:52:51 GMT -5
ARE WE GOD? My prayer has always been “Teach me the truth no matter what the cost.” Because it is only the TRUTH that can set us all free… The question I have now is… Just who am I praying to? If the only God there is, is within me to begin with. JACOB www.jacobisrael.com Yes, your prayer has been to be 'taught' the truth... Now you are realizing that you 'are' the truth... Take a deep breath and enjoy...  Oh, I have understood this for some time... and I have been breathing and enjoying all the winds of this life! Right on Trf |
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Post by JacobIsrael on Jul 11, 2013 8:54:46 GMT -5
Ego sum qui sum"I am Who am". You know the "name" of God (Elohyim) in the scriptures is "I am that I am" --- But the interesting thing about this expression is not about existence... but about being able to exist any way you like... Those words "I am that I am" actually translate into the words "I will be whatever I will be" === we create!  Much love Beingist |
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Post by JacobIsrael on Jul 11, 2013 8:55:22 GMT -5
You're God, You're not God, God is dead, God is everything. All can be discarded. And all can be taken up again  |
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Post by Beingist on Jul 11, 2013 9:11:28 GMT -5
Ego sum qui sum"I am Who am". You know the "name" of God (Elohyim) in the scriptures is "I am that I am" --- But the interesting thing about this expression is not about existence... but about being able to exist any way you like... Those words "I am that I am" actually translate into the words "I will be whatever I will be" === we create! Much love Beingist It does, does it? (, he said incredulously). |
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Post by JacobIsrael on Jul 11, 2013 9:13:49 GMT -5
You know the "name" of God (Elohyim) in the scriptures is "I am that I am" --- But the interesting thing about this expression is not about existence... but about being able to exist any way you like... Those words "I am that I am" actually translate into the words "I will be whatever I will be" === we create! Much love Beingist It does, does it? (, he said incredulously). As Solomon would say... "it's all vanity and chasing after the wind"... so we might as well enjoy it LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 10:57:04 GMT -5
It does, does it? (, he said incredulously). As Solomon would say... "it's all vanity and chasing after the wind"... so we might as well enjoy it LOL Yes, when I drop chasing after the wind, the wind usually finds me... |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 11, 2013 11:05:03 GMT -5
Jacob: Since you rely upon the Bible to some degree, consider this quote by Christ, "Ye are all gods." He did not say, "You are God." In another quote he said, "My Father and I are One." He did not say, "I am the Father." If you encounter the One who Christ called "My Father," you will not say, "That's me." You will more likely say, "Forgive me for ever thinking that I am You." Zendancer, Jesus didn't say Ye are Gods, David wrote that. It is found in the Psalms, 82 I believe... Also the word Gods is Elohyim which is the same word for GOD... In the beginning GOD(Elohyim) created... Elohyim is a plural word denoting many... Which is why the scriptures read LET US (plural) make man in OUR (PLURAL) image... Also, Jesus said very clearly to his disciples when they asked him to "show us the Father" --- Jesus said, "How long have I been with you and you don't know... If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" --- In the book of of 2nd John I believe, the statement is made "As Christ is so are WE in this world" --- Now the scriptures I know very, very well. And I hope you haven't made a "god" out of them yourself... I understand the idea of us being God seems very controversial, because we have been programmed to believe that God is somewhere far away from us... But I can assure you, and have written extensively on the subject, the scriptures paint the picture of God being all there is... and who we think we are are simply a creation of who we all ARE ALREADY WITHIN. Much love friend! Thanks for the comment. Jacob: No, I do not think God is far away from us, but my point is more subtle than what your response indicates. From my POV you can legitimately say, "God and I are one," because God (in the way I'm using the term) is all there is, but it would not be correct to say, "I am God." This is what the poem by Tung Shan is pointing to--"he is the same as me, yet I am not him." Steve, Silence, and others on this thread are pointing in the same direction. They are saying, in essence, "Let go of all concepts and words in favor of direct perception." What I'm saying is about as far as words can meaningfully go, and perhaps I should stop here without explaining anything further. Ha ha. If these words don't resonate, then ignore them. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 11, 2013 12:41:34 GMT -5
Zendancer, Jesus didn't say Ye are Gods, David wrote that. It is found in the Psalms, 82 I believe... Also the word Gods is Elohyim which is the same word for GOD... In the beginning GOD(Elohyim) created... Elohyim is a plural word denoting many... Which is why the scriptures read LET US (plural) make man in OUR (PLURAL) image... Also, Jesus said very clearly to his disciples when they asked him to "show us the Father" --- Jesus said, "How long have I been with you and you don't know... If you have seen me, you have seen the Father" --- In the book of of 2nd John I believe, the statement is made "As Christ is so are WE in this world" --- Now the scriptures I know very, very well. And I hope you haven't made a "god" out of them yourself... I understand the idea of us being God seems very controversial, because we have been programmed to believe that God is somewhere far away from us... But I can assure you, and have written extensively on the subject, the scriptures paint the picture of God being all there is... and who we think we are are simply a creation of who we all ARE ALREADY WITHIN. Much love friend! Thanks for the comment. Jacob: No, I do not think God is far away from us, but my point is more subtle than what your response indicates. From my POV you can legitimately say, "God and I are one," because God (in the way I'm using the term) is all there is, but it would not be correct to say, "I am God." This is what the poem by Tung Shan is pointing to--"he is the same as me, yet I am not him." Steve, Silence, and others on this thread are pointing in the same direction. They are saying, in essence, "Let go of all concepts and words in favor of direct perception." What I'm saying is about as far as words can meaningfully go, and perhaps I should stop here without explaining anything further. Ha ha. If these words don't resonate, then ignore them. Jesus does in fact say that He and the Father are one, "before Abraham was I AM", and similar statements throughout the NT, but he also seems to be careful to maintain a certain level of distinction between him and the Father as well ("My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work") ("By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me") (What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, `I am God's Son'?) (For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it) (All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him). What ZD points to is this very finely pointed distinction that Jesus himself makes. |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 11, 2013 13:39:57 GMT -5
Jacob: No, I do not think God is far away from us, but my point is more subtle than what your response indicates. From my POV you can legitimately say, "God and I are one," because God (in the way I'm using the term) is all there is, but it would not be correct to say, "I am God." This is what the poem by Tung Shan is pointing to--"he is the same as me, yet I am not him." Steve, Silence, and others on this thread are pointing in the same direction. They are saying, in essence, "Let go of all concepts and words in favor of direct perception." What I'm saying is about as far as words can meaningfully go, and perhaps I should stop here without explaining anything further. Ha ha. If these words don't resonate, then ignore them. Jesus does in fact say that He and the Father are one, "before Abraham was I AM", and similar statements throughout the NT, but he also seems to be careful to maintain a certain level of distinction between him and the Father as well ("My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work") ("By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me") (What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, `I am God's Son'?) (For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it) (All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him). What ZD points to is this very finely pointed distinction that Jesus himself makes. Eggzactamente! |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 11, 2013 16:06:16 GMT -5
Greetings.. Jacob: No, I do not think God is far away from us, but my point is more subtle than what your response indicates. From my POV you can legitimately say, "God and I are one," because God (in the way I'm using the term) is all there is, but it would not be correct to say, "I am God." This is what the poem by Tung Shan is pointing to--"he is the same as me, yet I am not him." Steve, Silence, and others on this thread are pointing in the same direction. They are saying, in essence, "Let go of all concepts and words in favor of direct perception." What I'm saying is about as far as words can meaningfully go, and perhaps I should stop here without explaining anything further. Ha ha. If these words don't resonate, then ignore them. ("My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work") ("By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me") (What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, `I am God's Son'?) (For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it) (All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him). What ZD points to is this very finely pointed distinction that Jesus himself makes. Jesus. as portrayed in the bible, is aware that he is Part and Whole simultaneously.. experiencing which or both by where he directs his attention.. " For where your treasure (attention) is, there will your heart (experience) be also".. Be well.. |
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Post by silence on Jul 11, 2013 16:58:31 GMT -5
Jesus. as portrayed in the bible, is aware that he is Part and Whole simultaneously.. experiencing which or both by where he directs his attention.. [/quote] That wouldn't be your interpretation to fit your beliefs now would it? |
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Post by topology on Jul 11, 2013 18:36:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. Jesus does in fact say that He and the Father are one, "before Abraham was I AM", and similar statements throughout the NT, but he also seems to be careful to maintain a certain level of distinction between him and the Father as well ("My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work") ("By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me") (What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, `I am God's Son'?) (For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it) (All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him). What ZD points to is this very finely pointed distinction that Jesus himself makes. Jesus. as portrayed in the bible, is aware that he is Part and Whole simultaneously.. experiencing which or both by where he directs his attention.. " For where your treasure (attention) is, there will your heart (experience) be also".. Be well.. *Top imagines which part of God he is* *Top lays back in a swaying hammock and enjoys the ride swinging to and fro* *As it gets cold outside, the hammock squeezes tight keeping Top warm* *As it gets warm outside, the hammock hangs loose, letting the breeze cool Top off* Ah, to be such a wonderful part of God. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 11, 2013 20:11:57 GMT -5
Greetings.. Jesus. as portrayed in the bible, is aware that he is Part and Whole simultaneously.. experiencing which or both by where he directs his attention.. LOL.. in case you missed the footnotes, the bible was written to fit into a particular culture's beliefs.. Be well.. |
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