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Post by relinquish on Jul 4, 2013 5:33:22 GMT -5
Much of this I have said before. Just never quite like this.
It is the fundamental nature of the infinite, eternal ISness that is HERE and NOW to be intrinsically aware of the absolute causelessness that it is. There is only ISness. 'IT' is not a 'thing'. ISness IS pure awareness. Pure awareness IS Self.
Therefore, the fundamental occurrance is the forever boundless, stateless state of 'pure experiencing'. Self experiencing Self, which appears as 'seer' (emptiness) experiencing 'seen' (form). EVERYTHING that happens is essentially an 'apparent part' of the one forever effortless unfolding of this appearance. There is only this.
The many apparently separate vantage points of awareness that are apparently 'our personal perspectives' are themselves all finite, temporary reflections of the one absolute vantage field that is the impersonal perspective of 'the seer'.
These reflections emanate from extremely complex apparent parts of the 'the seen', known as life-forms. The most complex of these apparent life-forms are 'body/mind organisms', which are life-forms in which the process of memory and thought is taking place within 'their' brains.
From these finite, temporary perspectives, the illusory duality, difference, separation and manyness is 'seen and remembered' and instantly believed to be indisputably real.
From this belief, coupled with discrete 'physical sensations' that occurr within the entity as a result of it's capacity to reflect the impersonal gaze of the seer back upon itself from 'it's own' seen personal vantage point, the illusion of 'me' and 'not me' necessarily arises.
Actually, ALL is Self. Self IS.
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 4, 2013 10:03:40 GMT -5
Much of this I have said before. Just never quite like this. It is the fundamental nature of the infinite, eternal ISness that is HERE and NOW to be intrinsically aware of the absolute causelessness that it is. There is only ISness. 'IT' is not a 'thing'. ISness IS pure awareness. Pure awareness IS Self. Therefore, the fundamental occurrance is the forever boundless, stateless state of 'pure experiencing'. Self experiencing Self, which appears as 'seer' (emptiness) experiencing 'seen' (form). EVERYTHING that happens is essentially an 'apparent part' of the one forever effortless unfolding of this appearance. There is only this. The many apparently separate vantage points of awareness that are apparently 'our personal perspectives' are themselves all finite, temporary reflections of the one absolute vantage field that is the impersonal perspective of 'the seer'. These reflections emanate from extremely complex apparent parts of the 'the seen', known as life-forms. The most complex of these apparent life-forms are 'body/mind organisms', which are life-forms in which the process of memory and thought is taking place within 'their' brains. From these finite, temporary perspectives, the illusory duality, difference, separation and manyness is 'seen and remembered' and instantly believed to be indisputably real. From this belief, coupled with discrete 'physical sensations' that occurr within the entity as a result of it's capacity to reflect the impersonal gaze of the seer back upon itself from 'it's own' seen personal vantage point, the illusion of 'me' and 'not me' necessarily arises. Actually, ALL is Self. Self IS. Can you speak a bit more about the "discrete physical sensation"? What do those sensations point to, if anything?
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Post by relinquish on Jul 4, 2013 14:43:55 GMT -5
Much of this I have said before. Just never quite like this. It is the fundamental nature of the infinite, eternal ISness that is HERE and NOW to be intrinsically aware of the absolute causelessness that it is. There is only ISness. 'IT' is not a 'thing'. ISness IS pure awareness. Pure awareness IS Self. Therefore, the fundamental occurrance is the forever boundless, stateless state of 'pure experiencing'. Self experiencing Self, which appears as 'seer' (emptiness) experiencing 'seen' (form). EVERYTHING that happens is essentially an 'apparent part' of the one forever effortless unfolding of this appearance. There is only this. The many apparently separate vantage points of awareness that are apparently 'our personal perspectives' are themselves all finite, temporary reflections of the one absolute vantage field that is the impersonal perspective of 'the seer'. These reflections emanate from extremely complex apparent parts of the 'the seen', known as life-forms. The most complex of these apparent life-forms are 'body/mind organisms', which are life-forms in which the process of memory and thought is taking place within 'their' brains. From these finite, temporary perspectives, the illusory duality, difference, separation and manyness is 'seen and remembered' and instantly believed to be indisputably real. From this belief, coupled with discrete 'physical sensations' that occurr within the entity as a result of it's capacity to reflect the impersonal gaze of the seer back upon itself from 'it's own' seen personal vantage point, the illusion of 'me' and 'not me' necessarily arises. Actually, ALL is Self. Self IS. Can you speak a bit more about the "discrete physical sensation"? What do those sensations point to, if anything? I feel that these sensations are simply part and parcel of the whole discrete experience that is had by the entity while it is locally reflecting the non-local. They just so happen to naturally contribute very strongly to the belief in separation. Does that make sense?
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 4, 2013 16:50:31 GMT -5
Can you speak a bit more about the "discrete physical sensation"? What do those sensations point to, if anything? I feel that these sensations are simply part and parcel of the whole discrete experience that is had by the entity while it is locally reflecting the non-local. They just so happen to naturally contribute very strongly to the belief in separation. Does that make sense? OK, cool. I reread your post more carefully and I see what you are saying. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by relinquish on Jul 4, 2013 17:04:56 GMT -5
I feel that these sensations are simply part and parcel of the whole discrete experience that is had by the entity while it is locally reflecting the non-local. They just so happen to naturally contribute very strongly to the belief in separation. Does that make sense? OK, cool. I reread your post more carefully and I see what you are saying. Thanks for sharing! Thank you for reading!
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 4, 2013 18:57:24 GMT -5
Sounds like an astral projection practice, where you get out of your body and look at yourself. One of teachers had us do this early on our journeys. The times that I have been popped and fully awakened there was the oneness thing, but there was always also the sense of being me the individual at the same time.
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Post by relinquish on Jul 4, 2013 20:19:41 GMT -5
Sounds like an astral projection practice, where you get out of your body and look at yourself. One of teachers had us do this early on our journeys. The times that I have been popped and fully awakened there was the oneness thing, but there was always also the sense of being me the individual at the same time. What I'm trying to show is how it can't actually be possible for a real entity that is other than 'the oneness thing' to exist in reality. If this is case, then ANY sense of being a separate, independent self MUST be illusory. So I'm also trying to show how it is that this illusion arises and comes to be believed and felt to be real, and in turn, why it need not be, because it's not actually real.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 4, 2013 20:40:26 GMT -5
Greetings.. Sounds like an astral projection practice, where you get out of your body and look at yourself. One of teachers had us do this early on our journeys. The times that I have been popped and fully awakened there was the oneness thing, but there was always also the sense of being me the individual at the same time. What I'm trying to show is how it can't actually be possible for a real entity that is other than 'the oneness thing' to exist in reality. If this is case, then ANY sense of being a separate, independent self MUST be illusory. So I'm also trying to show how it is that this illusion arises and comes to be believed and felt to be real, and in turn, why it need not be, because it's not actually real. In the most compassionate way possible, you're way over-thinking this.. if you're thinking about a "oneness thing", your mind is distracted from what is actually happening, and this "oneness thing" ain't happening.. If someone is doing all of this minding about "oneness", illusion, what "MUST" be, etc.. they are not 'present', they are 'lost in thought' while Life is happening.. Oneness, separation, duality, non-duality.. ideas, concepts that distract and distort what 'is' MUST 'IS', 'cause MUST AIN'T don't sound right.. Be well..
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