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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 15:03:33 GMT -5
I'd ask the obvious question, but who cares... what's the obvious question? I missed the two dots. The questioner has disappeared...
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 2, 2013 15:03:45 GMT -5
Anyone that can upset you and keep you thinking of them is taking your power. It is a person that has done little or no personal work. They do not know source,and spiritually speaking you should feel sorry for them. If you pay them no attention at all they will still need to feed off of someone, so they will move on to someone weaker then they are. When their pain and suffering gets strong enough they will start asking questions, or they will just simply check out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 15:09:29 GMT -5
Yeah, me too. 2nd Battalion - 1978 You? I was me tooing about knowing I can do anything as a result of my time in service.
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Post by james on Jul 2, 2013 15:13:38 GMT -5
Anyone that can upset you and keep you thinking of them is doing you a favor. It indicates that you probably need to do some personal work. Maybe it indicates you do not know source after all, and spiritually speaking you are kidding yourself. If you pay this issue no attention at all you still probably need to learn the lesson, so the universe is likely to feed it back to you repeatedly. When your pain and suffering gets strong enough you start asking questions like 'perhaps it's me, not them? maybe i'm not as spiritual as i thought i was', or you will just simply check out. Just experimenting with an alternative take... (I've modified your quote)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 15:13:39 GMT -5
Anyone that can upset you and keep you thinking of them is taking your power. It is a person that has done little or no personal work. They do not know source,and spiritually speaking you should feel sorry for them. If you pay them no attention at all they will still need to feed off of someone, so they will move on to someone weaker then they are. When their pain and suffering gets strong enough they will start asking questions, or they will just simply check out. Excellent post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 15:38:44 GMT -5
Anyone that can upset you and keep you thinking of them is taking your power. It is a person that has done little or no personal work. They do not know source,and spiritually speaking you should feel sorry for them. If you pay them no attention at all they will still need to feed off of someone, so they will move on to someone weaker then they are. When their pain and suffering gets strong enough they will start asking questions, or they will just simply check out. While we are in duality consciousness we are cut off from feeling what other people feel.
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Post by quinn on Jul 2, 2013 15:58:34 GMT -5
look it .. for several years I was one of the biggest "E-haters" here. I thought he was a smug, wanna-be guru, who spoke down to people, and never would budge an inch. It drove me fricking crazy .. mostly because of how serious I am about this journey, and because "his way" of doing things didn't match "my way" of thinking how it should be. I wrote nasty comments, deleted my accounts, tried to stay away .. but couldn't. But, deep down, I knew I was the one full of sh!t, and that is a difficult thing to admit. that trauma whipped my a$$. and one day it was just gone. Yeah, I'd say I'm grateful for anything that gets one's goat. It indicates work - of a certain nature - that can be done. Giraffes, in E's terminology. Projections, stories, ego. If I think E's full of sh1t, I'm full of sh1t. I'm looking in the mirror. I recently had a small ego problem with E. I have recently just kicked addiction to porn and masturbation (a very strange journey that was), and mentioned it to E in passing since he asked why I was absent from the board. His reply, to my ego, was pretty much that he knew all about so-called-addiction and it was all just silliness. My immediate reaction was (subconsciously) 'how dare he try to diminish this monumental personal hurdle I've just overcome? what the hell does he know about addiction anyway?'. 10 seconds later I'm thanking him in my mind for showing me that bit of my subconscious that is clinging onto a story (uniqueness, specialness, all sorts of connotations there). By the way if anyone is having problems with porn/masturbation/escort/stripper/sex type addiction, feel free to PM me. Maybe I can help, because I've been there. Edit: Converted sentences to speak purely from my own experience. I can't speak for anybody else. :-) Hey, James. Addiction is something I'm working with too. I'm curious about something. Seems there needs, at some point, to be a dose of 'will-power' to turn a tide like that. How does that fit in with your understanding of personal control, whatever that understanding is? [side note]Just occurred to me that will-power and willingness have the same base.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 16:30:56 GMT -5
Anyone that can upset you and keep you thinking of them is taking your power. It is a person that has done little or no personal work. They do not know source,and spiritually speaking you should feel sorry for them. If you pay them no attention at all they will still need to feed off of someone, so they will move on to someone weaker then they are. When their pain and suffering gets strong enough they will start asking questions, or they will just simply check out. The only way this works is if you give your power away. No one can take it.
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Post by james on Jul 2, 2013 16:34:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd say I'm grateful for anything that gets one's goat. It indicates work - of a certain nature - that can be done. Giraffes, in E's terminology. Projections, stories, ego. If I think E's full of sh1t, I'm full of sh1t. I'm looking in the mirror. I recently had a small ego problem with E. I have recently just kicked addiction to porn and masturbation (a very strange journey that was), and mentioned it to E in passing since he asked why I was absent from the board. His reply, to my ego, was pretty much that he knew all about so-called-addiction and it was all just silliness. My immediate reaction was (subconsciously) 'how dare he try to diminish this monumental personal hurdle I've just overcome? what the hell does he know about addiction anyway?'. 10 seconds later I'm thanking him in my mind for showing me that bit of my subconscious that is clinging onto a story (uniqueness, specialness, all sorts of connotations there). By the way if anyone is having problems with porn/masturbation/escort/stripper/sex type addiction, feel free to PM me. Maybe I can help, because I've been there. Edit: Converted sentences to speak purely from my own experience. I can't speak for anybody else. :-) Hey, James. Addiction is something I'm working with too. I'm curious about something. Seems there needs, at some point, to be a dose of 'will-power' to turn a tide like that. How does that fit in with your understanding of personal control, whatever that understanding is? [side note]Just occurred to me that will-power and willingness have the same base. I tried to give up but found that it was literally impossible. I would convince myself and others that I wouldn't do it, I'd make lists of pros and cons, and I would put time/cost/privacy/convenience barriers in place to doing it, but at a certain point I would still HAVE to do it, no matter the inconvenience, cost, risk, damage to relationships, employment etc. What felt like a tsunami of energy buildup would bear down on me and literally command me to release that energy in the expected habitual direction. And so I did. It was literally unimaginable that I could not. (all this trying to give up was after decades of convincing myself that it wasn't actually a big problem, I could give up any time, I just chose not to - boy was I wrong about that) All my rational mind's ideas about how I was not going to do it this time were swept away like dust, every time. I became desperate, and the more I tried to give up, the more intense the compulsions became, and the more desperate I became... it became intolerable Eventually I became quite exhausted and broken. I realized that I couldn't do it with the rational mind (willpower). I stopped fighting it, and started contemplating life without 'my precious', which was frightening - I actually grieved quite badly. It was then that things started easing up. I can only explain it as grace, because it is not a result of 'willpower'. There's been much in my life that I can only put down to grace. Losing depression, giving up smoking, giving up alcohol, giving up drugs, letting go of emotional bondages.... I can't claim credit for any of it. Neuroscience claims that the more dopamine hits you get, the lower your willpower actually is to abstaining from future dopamine hits of from the same source. This is related to the rats in the cage that push the pleasure pedal to the exclusion of food, thereby quite literally 'dying of pleasure'. I don't hold a belief in volition. The idea that people can do what they want seems ridiculous to me. Reactions (which include a lack of reaction) seem rather obviously to me be a result of conditioning. However, I do feel in most of my activities a 'sense of control'. But I do not believe it is ACTUALLY control. Just like I see the idea of a personal self as being pretty ludicrous. And yet the sensation of having a self continues to exist. There is an energetic sense of there being 'a me' inside this body (particularly behind the eyes) and a sense of that me making decisions. Still, appearances can be deceptive, eh? :-) Some things that might well have fed into me abstaining and then recovering from addiction: Doing what I don't want to do, not doing what I do want to do, going on a 'paleo' diet (still on it after 3 months, I have so much more energy), no tea/coffee, exercise, praying, ego work. I only mention these because they are likely contributing factors since I was doing them around the same time. In the end, we may think 'I gave up' or 'I know how I gave up', but these are things, IMO, that the human mind cannot know. It can only think it knows.
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Post by topology on Jul 2, 2013 16:34:47 GMT -5
Anyone that can upset you and keep you thinking of them is taking your power. It is a person that has done little or no personal work. They do not know source,and spiritually speaking you should feel sorry for them. If you pay them no attention at all they will still need to feed off of someone, so they will move on to someone weaker then they are. When their pain and suffering gets strong enough they will start asking questions, or they will just simply check out. The only way this works is if you give your power away. No one can take it. Yes. If anything that's one of the milk from thorns people can take away from Enigma and Reefs, "practice" not losing your balance, energy or power to them. The practice is just realizing when you have, why and staying aware the next time around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 16:44:23 GMT -5
The only way this works is if you give your power away. No one can take it. Yes. If anything that's one of the milk from thorns people can take away from Enigma and Reefs, "practice" not losing your balance, energy or power to them. The practice is just realizing when you have, why and staying aware the next time around. One day there will not be a next time around. Don't be bring any lamenting with.
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Post by topology on Jul 2, 2013 16:54:55 GMT -5
Yes. If anything that's one of the milk from thorns people can take away from Enigma and Reefs, "practice" not losing your balance, energy or power to them. The practice is just realizing when you have, why and staying aware the next time around. One day there will not be a next time around. Don't be bring any lamenting with. Can't be bringing any lamenting if one is busy pushing up daisies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 16:58:04 GMT -5
One day there will not be a next time around. Don't be bring any lamenting with. Can't be bringing any lamenting if one is busy pushing up daisies. What colour daisies?
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Post by topology on Jul 2, 2013 17:02:51 GMT -5
Can't be bringing any lamenting if one is busy pushing up daisies. What colour daisies? I'm partial to the pink/purple, myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 17:05:54 GMT -5
What colour daisies? I'm partial to the pink/purple, myself. They are very handsome Gerberas man, they'd be honoured to be covering your grave. Summer burials only though
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