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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 4, 2013 9:11:34 GMT -5
Luck, grace ... whatever.  Trick is to play the short odds Bambi. The rational, thinking, reasoning mind has a proven track record of being the worst bookmaker in the biz.  Clickity-clack man! But, the mind expresses its power through attention and intention. We're carving up wholeness again. Mind Body Spirit Hi verbed. The problem, as I see it, is the tyranny of an out-of-control mind. Are you sure it isn't Consciousness that expresses its power of attention and intention over mind, to keep it pacified and in its proper place? There would be no carving up in this case, would there? |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 4, 2013 9:12:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. You got lucky. I've been trying ATA for a long time and nothing ever happened. Luck, grace ... whatever. Trick is to play the short odds Bambi. The rational, thinking, reasoning mind has a proven track record of being the worst bookmaker in the biz. Clickity-clack man! Grace: Fluid dynamic movement, yep.. The rational, thinking, reasoning mind is balanced by the still clear attentive mind, two sides of the same mind, and both are necessary for existing in harmony with the 'whole' environment.. Be well.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 9:22:41 GMT -5
But, the mind expresses its power through attention and intention. We're carving up wholeness again. Mind Body Spirit Hi verbed. The problem, as I see it, is the tyranny of an out-of-control mind. Are you sure it isn't Consciousness that expresses its power of attention and intention over mind, to keep it pacified and in its proper place? There would be no carving up in this case, would there? I agree with you about the tyranny of the out-of-control mind. For me, it seems like Consciousness is where everything happens. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 4, 2013 9:25:42 GMT -5
For me, it seems like Consciousness is where everything happens. For me too! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 9:28:24 GMT -5
For me, it seems like Consciousness is where everything happens. For me too! I know. I read your posts.  Looks like tzu just nailed mind's role pretty good. Tzu freaks me out at times with his clarity. I've learned I have to read his posts with an eye toward local/non-local awareness wholly integrated. Question (bambi), andrew, and a few others, too. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 4, 2013 9:53:24 GMT -5
I know. I read your posts. Looks like tzu just nailed mind's role pretty good. Tzu freaks me out at times with his clarity. Tzu make some valid points at times but I disagree with him when he asserts that stillness is simply another aspect of mind. As I see it, if the mind were the moon, inner stillness would be like the space which makes the existence of the moon possible. Consciousness is like that to me. The Inner Space in which everything, including mind, have existence, and without which couldn't exist at all. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 4, 2013 10:03:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. I know. I read your posts. Looks like tzu just nailed mind's role pretty good. Tzu freaks me out at times with his clarity. Tzu make some valid points at times but I disagree with him when he asserts that stillness is simply another aspect of mind. As I see it, if the mind were the moon, inner stillness would be like the space which makes the existence of the moon possible. Consciousness is like that to me. The Inner Space in which everything, including mind, have existence, and without which would couldn't exist at all. As mind becomes 'still', inactive, it harmonizes with the condition you are describing as 'stillness'.. mind is the window through which we, as physical manifestations, see/experience our existence and our relationship with 'that which is'.. the 'still mind' is like a clear/clean 'window'.. Be well.. |
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Post by enigma on Jul 4, 2013 13:24:22 GMT -5
Greetings.. That sounds confusing. I'm not sure what sort of understanding can happen without thought. The ego IS the 'you' to which you refer. "Unique history" is all it is. Ego is the story of 'you', and yes, it is illusion. Of course it sounds confusing to 'you', you believe "it's all imagination", which leaves your claim that the person is an 'illusion' as another of your imagined beliefs.. as for 'ego', that too is an imagined concept.. you might be interested in settling that imagination of yours down, and trying a bit of clarity.. i'm sure it's scary for guys like you, letting go of your beliefs, but.. it's so much better than trying to explain all of those contradictions and inconsistencies inherent in your imagined beliefs.. give it try, just 'let go' of all those attachments and beliefs, just look and see what's actually happening.. Be well.. I feel a sequel coming on.  You're doing something that Andrew has made a career out of. It's a TMT tar baby and distinguishes clarity from conceptual grasping. 'It's all imagination' is a pointer which you ingest with the mind and conclude that 'It's all a pointer' must be imagination too, which of course means that the idea that it's all imagination is all imagination, must be imagination too, ad infinitum, resulting in ambiguous paradox and know nothing confusion in the certainty of uncertainty. At least Andrew is willing to admit that's the result and give it a big ole bear hug. Surely it must make you a bit dizzy to do that, but there must be a sense of intellectual satisfaction that you've spotted the self evident truth or sumthin or you wouldn't do it, and then feed back that mental slag like it was pure gold for others to respect and admire. |
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Post by enigma on Jul 4, 2013 13:29:02 GMT -5
Mind doesn't construct anything. Ego is a subset of thoughts included in what we call mind. Ego is part of mind. Mind is not an entity, not conscious. You are conscious. When you think, this is called mind. You are the one who constructs ego. Hi enigma, What is that "You" You are talking about? What is it you didn't understand? The question is misconceived. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 4, 2013 13:32:37 GMT -5
Luck, grace ... whatever. Trick is to play the short odds Bambi. The rational, thinking, reasoning mind has a proven track record of being the worst bookmaker in the biz. Clickity-clack man! But, the mind expresses its power through attention and intention. We're carving up wholeness again. Mind Body Spirit If you can put a dent in it it ain't whole. The only thing that can be sliced up is an objectified shadow. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 4, 2013 13:32:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. Tzu make some valid points at times but I disagree with him when he asserts that stillness is simply another aspect of mind. As I see it, if the mind were the moon, inner stillness would be like the space which makes the existence of the moon possible. Consciousness is like that to me. The Inner Space in which everything, including mind, have existence, and without which would couldn't exist at all. As mind becomes 'still', inactive, it harmonizes with the condition you are describing as 'stillness'.. mind is the window through which we, as physical manifestations, see/experience our existence and our relationship with 'that which is'.. the 'still mind' is like a clear/clean 'window'.. Be well.. I agree with most of that. I wouldn't say that "we" are the physical manifestation though. I would say what we are is more akin to the "ghost" inside the machine. There is dependency when the pilot flies the fighter, a union of necessity, but it is a mistake to say that the pilot is the air craft, because the pilot has a life independent of the air craft, but the air craft has no "life" without the pilot to operate it. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 4, 2013 13:35:27 GMT -5
Greetings.. Luck, grace ... whatever. Trick is to play the short odds Bambi. The rational, thinking, reasoning mind has a proven track record of being the worst bookmaker in the biz. Clickity-clack man! Grace: Fluid dynamic movement, yep.. The rational, thinking, reasoning mind is balanced by the still clear attentive mind, two sides of the same mind, and both are necessary for existing in harmony with the 'whole' environment.. Be well.. (** let's go of the rope **) in a tug-o-war over the meaning of a word (or in this case, pair of words), losing is winning. |
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Post by enigma on Jul 4, 2013 13:46:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure what sort of understanding can happen without thought. Understanding is often wordless. The man walking down a sidewalk does not have to think at all about walking around a big pothole. Seeing alone informs him. There is a wordless, and therefore non-thinking way of understanding many things. When the light comes on the truth about the snake being just a piece of rope is clearly seen. Words, therefore thinking about it, are not required to realize this truth. Sure, can be. It depends on how you define understanding, thought and mind. Is understanding always conceptual? Can thought be wordless? Is mind what we call conceptualizing? I don't really want to get into definitions, BTW. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 13:49:23 GMT -5
But, the mind expresses its power through attention and intention. We're carving up wholeness again. Mind Body Spirit If you can put a dent in it it ain't whole. The only thing that can be sliced up is an objectified shadow. I'm not following you. How can we put a dent in spirit-mind-body? I suspect we're saying the same thing here. |
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Post by silver on Jul 4, 2013 13:56:14 GMT -5
For me, it seems like Consciousness is where everything happens. For me too! Is the mind not 'in' on this consciousness? Just asking... |
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