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Post by amit on Jul 1, 2013 2:39:02 GMT -5
Try imagining that you are All There Is without any distinction or anything 'in' you to discriminate between. No 'in or out' to you whatsoever. Also imagine that you had the ability to become and manifest the very convincing appearance of difference when it was all only really you. You can also arrange for you as this 'creation' to forget that it is all you and really believe that it's separate with personal feelings of empowerment, the ability to choose, and the believe that choices have some real effect.
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1) Would you do it?
2) Would you put any safeguards in place to prevent suffering for instance? if so what would they be?
3) Any rules at all? for instance that it did not have to eat itself to 'survive', or just let it all hang out and see what happens?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 2:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by amit on Jul 1, 2013 2:57:47 GMT -5
Hi Wren, Nice play on symbiosis. Will add to one I already have about foxes and rabbits. Thanks. In my question above you would not be bound by symbiosis but is that the way you would set it up as the All Powerful Creator and just let it play out like that or would you have some other rules as well? amit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 3:01:33 GMT -5
Hi Wren, Nice play on symbiosis. Will add to one I already have about foxes and rabbits. Thanks. In my question above you would not be bound by symbiosis but is that the way you would set it up as the All Powerful Creator and just let it play out like that or would you have some other rules as well? amit Yeah I'd have a rule that asking questions about pretending to be All Powerful Creator were banned In fact no I wouldn't ban it as that would bring it into existence, I would make it impossible to ask such a question. Hmmm. Cheers amit.
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Post by amit on Jul 1, 2013 4:15:54 GMT -5
Hi Wren, Nice play on symbiosis. Will add to one I already have about foxes and rabbits. Thanks. In my question above you would not be bound by symbiosis but is that the way you would set it up as the All Powerful Creator and just let it play out like that or would you have some other rules as well? amit Yeah I'd have a rule that asking questions about pretending to be All Powerful Creator were banned In fact no I wouldn't ban it as that would bring it into existence, I would make it impossible to ask such a question. Hmmm. Cheers amit. Hi Wren, I'd create initial conditions that contained the potential for all and just let it play out. If Gods did not evolve I might be tempted to intervene and make you:) An old hippie like amit wouldn't stand a chance:) amit
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 1, 2013 5:21:30 GMT -5
Try imagining that you are All There Is without any distinction or anything 'in' you to discriminate between. No 'in or out' to you whatsoever. Also imagine that you had the ability to become and manifest the very convincing appearance of difference when it was all only really you. You can also arrange for you as this 'creation' to forget that it is all you and really believe that it's separate with personal feelings of empowerment, the ability to choose, and the believe that choices have some real effect. Questions:_ 1) Would you do it? 2) Would you put any safeguards in place to prevent suffering for instance? if so what would they be? 3) Any rules at all? for instance that it did not have to eat itself to 'survive', or just let it all hang out and see what happens? amit If it's an all-knowing creator then he wouldn't need to create anything because he would know in advance how everything would play out, how it would feel, etc. Only a stupid god would do your experiment. One who is not only not all-knowing but also too dumb to estimate the potential consequences, too curious or self-hating. There is always a possibility that he will create hell, a perfectly circular, contextually closed world where the same evil script is repeated ad infinitum unless an intervention occurs, but if god is thrown fully into this script then there would be no other to intervene.
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Post by amit on Jul 1, 2013 6:59:33 GMT -5
Try imagining that you are All There Is without any distinction or anything 'in' you to discriminate between. No 'in or out' to you whatsoever. Also imagine that you had the ability to become and manifest the very convincing appearance of difference when it was all only really you. You can also arrange for you as this 'creation' to forget that it is all you and really believe that it's separate with personal feelings of empowerment, the ability to choose, and the believe that choices have some real effect. Questions:_ 1) Would you do it? 2) Would you put any safeguards in place to prevent suffering for instance? if so what would they be? 3) Any rules at all? for instance that it did not have to eat itself to 'survive', or just let it all hang out and see what happens? amit If it's an all-knowing creator then he wouldn't need to create anything because he would know in advance how everything would play out, how it would feel, etc. Only a stupid god would do your experiment. One who is not only not all-knowing but also too dumb to estimate the potential consequences, too curious or self-hating. There is always a possibility that he will create hell, a perfectly circular, contextually closed world where the same evil script is repeated ad infinitum unless an intervention occurs, but if god is thrown fully into this script then there would be no other to intervene. Hi Bambi, Prior to manifesting difference there would be nothing in you to be stupid or not, yet you could call yourself stupid in the manifestation of difference if you wanted. Don't forget that in this experiment there is only you. You will always only be talking about yourself and all that might happen will only happen to you by your own hand so to speak. amit
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 1, 2013 7:08:58 GMT -5
Hi Bambi, Prior to manifesting difference there would be nothing in you to be stupid or not, yet you could call yourself stupid in the manifestation of difference if you wanted. Don't forget that in this experiment there is only you. You will always only be talking about yourself and all that might happen will only happen to you by your own hand so to speak. amit Prior to manifesting difference there is no possibility of having any intention. So if you refuse to let your god be called "stupid" because of that then you would also have to cancel the entire thought-experiment. If you still want your experiment then you also have to live with the consequence that your god might be stupid.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 1, 2013 7:30:12 GMT -5
The better way to think of god and his creation is with christianity, especially with the book of Job. So god tortures Job for no good reason, Job confronts him and god basically says that all creation is a mess with all the earthquakes, floods, diseases, wars, children dying, all this filth. God is not saying that Job should stop complaining and compare his fate to all the other atrocities. On the contrary, nowhere is god saying that Job's torture was for a perfect reason, god admits to being an idiot, and although Job's complaint is fully justified it's still totally useless.
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Post by zendancer on Jul 1, 2013 7:56:22 GMT -5
TMT
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 1, 2013 8:30:03 GMT -5
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Post by Reefs on Jul 1, 2013 9:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by amit on Jul 1, 2013 13:32:03 GMT -5
Hi Bambi, Prior to manifesting difference there would be nothing in you to be stupid or not, yet you could call yourself stupid in the manifestation of difference if you wanted. Don't forget that in this experiment there is only you. You will always only be talking about yourself and all that might happen will only happen to you by your own hand so to speak. amit Prior to manifesting difference there is no possibility of having any intention. So if you refuse to let your god be called "stupid" because of that then you would also have to cancel the entire thought-experiment. If you still want your experiment then you also have to live with the consequence that your god might be stupid. Hi Bambi, In the experiment described there is only you. There is no me and my God unless you appear as the illusion of a separate me and my God. In that appearance I cannot utter a single word unless you speak. amit
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Post by amit on Jul 1, 2013 13:36:59 GMT -5
The better way to think of god and his creation is with christianity, especially with the book of Job. So god tortures Job for no good reason, Job confronts him and god basically says that all creation is a mess with all the earthquakes, floods, diseases, wars, children dying, all this filth. God is not saying that Job should stop complaining and compare his fate to all the other atrocities. On the contrary, nowhere is god saying that Job's torture was for a perfect reason, god admits to being an idiot, and although Job's complaint is fully justified it's still totally useless. Hi Bambi, If such a god is believed in by you then yes for you it would be as you describe I guess. I would be interested to know what it is about that God that attracts you? amit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2013 13:51:04 GMT -5
I would be interested to know what it is about that God that attracts you? Keep it PG or tamer Bambi.
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