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Post by Beingist on Jun 27, 2013 13:22:56 GMT -5
The new area will be the unmoderated section, so if anything it would be "Mockery and Ridicule Zone". But I think Shawn is looking for a short description - a couple of paragraphs introduction perhaps? Ooh, I see Max had a go - that looks pretty close to what's needed. Perhaps it could be called "The Ruthless Truth Arena"... Well except for the Truth part... I'm wont to call it The Mosh Pit
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Post by topology on Jun 27, 2013 13:48:23 GMT -5
Shawn got back to me and has requested:Anyone want to give that a shot? This section is for unmoderated discussion. Discussion is free to wander wherever the participants take it. This includes examining, discussing and challenging any particular person's beliefs, reactions, disposition and behaviors. By choosing to enter this section you are engaging willingly. You are encouraged to examine any personal reactions you might have towards the content within this section. The moderator will not be responding to any personal complaints made about posters' contributions here. You are free to not engage in this section and you have the ability to put particular posters on your ignore list, located in your personal profile. The only moderation that will occur will be to keep the forum in compliance with the requirements put forward by proboards.com in their terms of service. The following will not be allowed: - Spamming
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Post by laughter on Jun 27, 2013 15:11:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds like the plan. Sounds like when the spiritual egos get angry they go into the adult area and when they feel hurt they go back into the kids area. That ensures maximum ego stability.
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Post by laughter on Jun 27, 2013 15:35:06 GMT -5
Shawn got back to me and has requested:Anyone want to give that a shot? This section is for unmoderated discussion. Discussion is free to wander wherever the participants take it. This includes examining, discussing and challenging any particular person's beliefs, reactions, disposition and behaviors. By choosing to enter this section you are engaging willingly. You are encouraged to examine any personal reactions you might have towards the content within this section. The moderator will not be responding to any personal complaints made about posters' contributions here. You are free to not engage in this section and you have the ability to put particular posters on your ignore list, located in your personal profile. The only moderation that will occur will be to keep the forum in compliance with the requirements put forward by proboards.com in their terms of service. The following will not be allowed: - Spamming
- Advertisements
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With respect to the list, you might want to qualify the phrase "The following" with "without limitation". The reference to the Proboards terms should be strengthened and you should make clear that you're not relaxing those restrictions. The portion of the TOS that appear to me to be the most applicable are para's 18 (OBJECTIONABLE CONTENT) and 19 (PROHIBITED USES), and 18 links to something PB refers to as "Community Guidlines" . If I were to reduce that content to a list of prohibitions it would be: (a-g are directly from TOS para 18 and relate to content) (a) are libelous, defamatory, abusive, or threatening, excessively violent, harassing, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or pornographic; (b) constitute child pornography; (c) solicit personal information from or exploit in a sexual or violent manner anyone under the age of 18; (d) incite, encourage or threaten physical harm against another; (e) promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of people; (f) glamorize the use of hard core illegal substances and drugs; (g) violate any provision of this Agreement or any other ProBoards agreement or policy 19 (a) "stalk" or otherwise harass any person, or contact any person who has requested not to be contacted; 19 (c) impersonate, or otherwise misrepresent affiliation, connection or association with, any person or entity; And the list from the guidelines, absent those duplicative of para 18 of the TOS: Infringes the rights, including without limitation the copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other proprietary rights, of any third party, or violates any agreement between you and a current or former employers concerning the intellectual property you create or created during your employment; Consists of or contains viruses, Trojan horses, worms, malicious code or other harmful or destructive content; Is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy or pornographic, that may constitute child pornography, or that may solicit personal information from or exploit in a sexual or violent manner anyone under the age of 18; Depicts excessive violence, contains comments or images that are offensive, abusive, threatening, harassing or menacing, or that incites, encourages or threatens physical harm against another; Promotes or glorifies racial intolerance, uses hate and/or racist terms, or signifies hate towards any person or group of people; Advocates the violent overthrow of the government of the United States or other conduct that could constitute a fraud or other criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national, or foreign law or regulation; Glamorizes the use of illegal substances and drugs; Promotes gambling or casinos; Promotes the buying, selling, or trading of firearms or weapons; Violates in any way applicable laws or regulations, including without limitation laws designed to regulate unsolicited email or other electronic advertising, in any jurisdiction where the Website or Services are marketed or provided; Has a detrimental effect to the goodwill and good standing of ProBoards or any of its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, consultants, agents, contractors or representatives; or Is generally offensive or in bad taste, as determined by ProBoards.
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Post by laughter on Jun 27, 2013 15:47:52 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but you're a constant inspiration. Is it a true that you never mock? or insult? or rant? or lie? I know you do all these and more, and yeah, sometimes it's 'for the good' of someone - but by no means is all of it constructive or however you might put a similar sentiment. I guess we love each other, else we wouldn't spend quite so much time being 'at' each other. You know what I mean? Don't sell me short - because we are all part of the same unit or oneness thing-a-ma-bob. Right? But, given some of the stuff you and other nonduallies say, are you really insulted when I say stuff? You were unhappy when I first came here and was all emo with poetry and stuff and I thought you were just trying real hard to get rid of me. I still think that, in spite of what others said that your severe confrontational style was all about. And you said as much last night. I can't help but chuckle at the notion that it's a lot like the two main characters in the movie, What About Bob?' *shrug* What I'm saying is that some squeaky wheels put on a broken record since years that only E & R mock. Which is a lie. Almost everyone is mocking. And there is a lot of mocking coming from others towards E & R. You included. Also Peter and Top. So it looks more than a bit disingenuous to just pin the entire "anti mocking and how can we stay asleep forever campaign" on the misbehavior of 2 guys when what they are doing isn't much different from what everyone else is doing anyway. I'm also sure you would behave much differently if Top wouldn't always play the helper. There's a lot of venom coming from your direction on a daily basis. You are quite capable of taking your stance. You don't have to be afraid of anyone. My guess is that when the moderating starts there will be some subjects of that moderation that will express some surprise.
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Post by silver on Jun 27, 2013 17:49:35 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that some squeaky wheels put on a broken record since years that only E & R mock. Which is a lie. Almost everyone is mocking. And there is a lot of mocking coming from others towards E & R. You included. Also Peter and Top. So it looks more than a bit disingenuous to just pin the entire "anti mocking and how can we stay asleep forever campaign" on the misbehavior of 2 guys when what they are doing isn't much different from what everyone else is doing anyway. I'm also sure you would behave much differently if Top wouldn't always play the helper. There's a lot of venom coming from your direction on a daily basis. You are quite capable of taking your stance. You don't have to be afraid of anyone. Why is what's coming from your direction not venom and mine is? Mystery of the Century...NOT. At least you yourself termed it 'misbehavior of 2 guys...'
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 27, 2013 19:36:07 GMT -5
It appears people have been taking their selfs rather seriously around these here parts. Two discussion areas, huh? Like a swimming pool on the ocean kinda thang. I guess it was bound to happen when people are trying to understand non-duality, rather than trying to see what's being pointed to, or at least what's seemingly in the way.
Oh well, let's see what happens.
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Post by silver on Jun 27, 2013 19:45:38 GMT -5
It appears people have been taking their selfs rather seriously around these here parts. Two discussion areas, huh? Like a swimming pool on the ocean kinda thang. I guess it was bound to happen when people are trying to understand non-duality, rather than trying to see what's being pointed to, or at least what's seemingly in the way. Oh well, let's see what happens. This seems to indicate you think that all who subscribe to a non-duality way or philosophy are incapable of inaccurate pointing-out and can't possibly steer anybody wrong - the spotlight is on the 'teachers' of nondual things. That's not the reality of the situation. It's not the students' faults. After all, we're just a bunch of peeps.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 27, 2013 19:54:45 GMT -5
Why is what's coming from your direction not venom and mine is? Mystery of the Century...NOT. At least you yourself termed it 'misbehavior of 2 guys...' Those two guys and a couple other mockindudes were the only ones who stuck up for me when Andrew called me an idiot. I was so hurt and lost. Nobody seemed to care. Of course, now I see that Andrew only meant it to help me see past my reified ways. He meant no harm or ill will, because I know he is such a good, dignified, and wholesome separate-but-sometimes-not-separate person.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 27, 2013 20:21:35 GMT -5
It appears people have been taking their selfs rather seriously around these here parts. Two discussion areas, huh? Like a swimming pool on the ocean kinda thang. I guess it was bound to happen when people are trying to understand non-duality, rather than trying to see what's being pointed to, or at least what's seemingly in the way. Oh well, let's see what happens. This seems to indicate you think that all who subscribe to a non-duality way or philosophy are incapable of inaccurate pointing-out and can't possibly steer anybody wrong - the spotlight is on the 'teachers' of nondual things. That's not the reality of the situation. It's not the students' faults. After all, we're just a bunch of peeps. Who is steering who wrong? There's no subscription; it's a way of pointing. Listen, if you wanna try to pull me into some drama of how 'others' are treating 'you/others' in a certain way and how those reactions are making any real sense (other than somewhat interesting in some tragio-comedic way, for whatever non-reason), you've got your work cut out for you. If I felt like you, I wouldn't bother, and be more focused on what was being pointed to. That feeling would start to make more sense, and that understanding would give way to more insight on why you feel pushed and pulled by things seemingly out of your control. Who knows? But you won't even try. Suffering is happening, and you're blaming elseness that you're manufacturing. I'm being honest and sincere here. Non-duality is pointer said in the dream, saying the dream is just a dream. You're saying and demanding it's not a dream, which amplifies your REM to the point of dizziness. Stick with that, if that's what helps you deal with it, but it will fail. Deal with your dream in any way you dream necessary; you will fail. You'll have to wake up to see where the pointers have been and will always point to. G'luck.
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Post by silver on Jun 27, 2013 20:45:51 GMT -5
This seems to indicate you think that all who subscribe to a non-duality way or philosophy are incapable of inaccurate pointing-out and can't possibly steer anybody wrong - the spotlight is on the 'teachers' of nondual things. That's not the reality of the situation. It's not the students' faults. After all, we're just a bunch of peeps. Who is steering who wrong? There's no subscription; it's a way of pointing. Listen, if you wanna try to pull me into some drama of how 'others' are treating 'you/others' in a certain way and how those reactions are making any real sense (other than somewhat interesting in some tragio-comedic way, for whatever non-reason), you've got your work cut out for you. If I felt like you, I wouldn't bother, and be more focused on what was being pointed to. That feeling would start to make more sense, and that understanding would give way to more insight on why you feel pushed and pulled by things seemingly out of your control. Who knows? But you won't even try. Suffering is happening, and you're blaming elseness that you're manufacturing. I'm being honest and sincere here. Non-duality is pointer said in the dream, saying the dream is just a dream. You're saying and demanding it's not a dream, which amplifies your REM to the point of dizziness. Stick with that, if that's what helps you deal with it, but it will fail. Deal with your dream in any way you dream necessary; you will fail. You'll have to wake up to see where the pointers have been and will always point to. G'luck. I have no clue what you just said about dreams and all that. I'm sure it was meaningful to you, but I just wouldn't know. Sorry.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Jun 27, 2013 21:37:32 GMT -5
Who is steering who wrong? There's no subscription; it's a way of pointing. Listen, if you wanna try to pull me into some drama of how 'others' are treating 'you/others' in a certain way and how those reactions are making any real sense (other than somewhat interesting in some tragio-comedic way, for whatever non-reason), you've got your work cut out for you. If I felt like you, I wouldn't bother, and be more focused on what was being pointed to. That feeling would start to make more sense, and that understanding would give way to more insight on why you feel pushed and pulled by things seemingly out of your control. Who knows? But you won't even try. Suffering is happening, and you're blaming elseness that you're manufacturing. I'm being honest and sincere here. Non-duality is pointer said in the dream, saying the dream is just a dream. You're saying and demanding it's not a dream, which amplifies your REM to the point of dizziness. Stick with that, if that's what helps you deal with it, but it will fail. Deal with your dream in any way you dream necessary; you will fail. You'll have to wake up to see where the pointers have been and will always point to. G'luck. I have no clue what you just said about dreams and all that. I'm sure it was meaningful to you, but I just wouldn't know. Sorry. All good. BTW, that bird looks like a Galapagos yellow finch. Cute little buggers.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 23:20:20 GMT -5
It appears people have been taking their selfs rather seriously around these here parts. Two discussion areas, huh? Like a swimming pool on the ocean kinda thang. I guess it was bound to happen when people are trying to understand non-duality, rather than trying to see what's being pointed to, or at least what's seemingly in the way. Oh well, let's see what happens. Especially the no distinctions folks are suddenly into delineating and divvying up experience.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 27, 2013 23:31:08 GMT -5
Why is what's coming from your direction not venom and mine is? Mystery of the Century...NOT. At least you yourself termed it 'misbehavior of 2 guys...' Those two guys and a couple other mockindudes were the only ones who stuck up for me when Andrew called me an idiot. I was so hurt and lost. Nobody seemed to care. Of course, now I see that Andrew only meant it to help me see past my reified ways. He meant no harm or ill will, because I know he is such a good, dignified, and wholesome separate-but-sometimes-not-separate person. Andrew is a little on the edge these days. Usually he's a master of subliminal insults, so when he calls you an idiot it's code red already and he couldn't hold himself together any longer. Might have something to do with the fact that the self-discipline contrived behavior requires is a little exhausting in the long run as we can see here:
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Post by Reefs on Jun 28, 2013 0:22:21 GMT -5
This section is for unmoderated discussion. Discussion is free to wander wherever the participants take it. This includes examining, discussing and challenging any particular person's beliefs, reactions, disposition and behaviors. By choosing to enter this section you are engaging willingly. You are encouraged to examine any personal reactions you might have towards the content within this section. The moderator will not be responding to any personal complaints made about posters' contributions here. You are free to not engage in this section and you have the ability to put particular posters on your ignore list, located in your personal profile. The only moderation that will occur will be to keep the forum in compliance with the requirements put forward by proboards.com in their terms of service. The following will not be allowed: - Spamming
- Advertisements
- Pornography
- Hate Speech
With respect to the list, you might want to qualify the phrase "The following" with "without limitation". The reference to the Proboards terms should be strengthened and you should make clear that you're not relaxing those restrictions. The portion of the TOS that appear to me to be the most applicable are para's 18 (OBJECTIONABLE CONTENT) and 19 (PROHIBITED USES), and 18 links to something PB refers to as "Community Guidlines" . If I were to reduce that content to a list of prohibitions it would be: (a-g are directly from TOS para 18 and relate to content) (a) are libelous, defamatory, abusive, or threatening, excessively violent, harassing, obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or pornographic; (b) constitute child pornography; (c) solicit personal information from or exploit in a sexual or violent manner anyone under the age of 18; (d) incite, encourage or threaten physical harm against another; (e) promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of people; (f) glamorize the use of hard core illegal substances and drugs; (g) violate any provision of this Agreement or any other ProBoards agreement or policy 19 (a) "stalk" or otherwise harass any person, or contact any person who has requested not to be contacted; 19 (c) impersonate, or otherwise misrepresent affiliation, connection or association with, any person or entity; And the list from the guidelines, absent those duplicative of para 18 of the TOS: Infringes the rights, including without limitation the copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other proprietary rights, of any third party, or violates any agreement between you and a current or former employers concerning the intellectual property you create or created during your employment; Consists of or contains viruses, Trojan horses, worms, malicious code or other harmful or destructive content; Is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy or pornographic, that may constitute child pornography, or that may solicit personal information from or exploit in a sexual or violent manner anyone under the age of 18; Depicts excessive violence, contains comments or images that are offensive, abusive, threatening, harassing or menacing, or that incites, encourages or threatens physical harm against another; Promotes or glorifies racial intolerance, uses hate and/or racist terms, or signifies hate towards any person or group of people; Advocates the violent overthrow of the government of the United States or other conduct that could constitute a fraud or other criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national, or foreign law or regulation; Glamorizes the use of illegal substances and drugs; Promotes gambling or casinos; Promotes the buying, selling, or trading of firearms or weapons; Violates in any way applicable laws or regulations, including without limitation laws designed to regulate unsolicited email or other electronic advertising, in any jurisdiction where the Website or Services are marketed or provided; Has a detrimental effect to the goodwill and good standing of ProBoards or any of its affiliates, officers, directors, employees, consultants, agents, contractors or representatives; or Is generally offensive or in bad taste, as determined by ProBoards.
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