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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2013 22:09:59 GMT -5
I'm glad to interject... I was away and now I came back... and it may seem that I chose that trip, but actually, I needed to get out of here, and I'm glad I did, yet I also came back and it's quite appropriate this post appears beneath an image of the dark cloud that precedes it. I'm not here because it's where I want to be you see, I'm here because it's necessary to endure it to get something else I want, a means to another end, so it seems to me that my choice for one thing gives rise to that which I do not choose. It "seems" as though we have a choice to act on our preferences or not, but that we have no choice in what our preferences are :-)
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Post by lolly on Jul 15, 2013 6:23:45 GMT -5
I'm glad to interject... I was away and now I came back... and it may seem that I chose that trip, but actually, I needed to get out of here, and I'm glad I did, yet I also came back and it's quite appropriate this post appears beneath an image of the dark cloud that precedes it. I'm not here because it's where I want to be you see, I'm here because it's necessary to endure it to get something else I want, a means to another end, so it seems to me that my choice for one thing gives rise to that which I do not choose. It "seems" as though we have a choice to act on our preferences or not, but that we have no choice in what our preferences are :-) It's not that we have no choices, it's obvious we make decisions all the time, but volition is what perpetuates the individual. The statement that 'you have no volition' is ludicrous because you are re-becoming due to volition. The choiceless awareness, 'just looking', effectively strips one of indentified definition, and there is nothing there that can be preserved. The irony is, that makes you impervious.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 15, 2013 10:18:22 GMT -5
It "seems" as though we have a choice to act on our preferences or not, but that we have no choice in what our preferences are :-) It's not that we have no choices, it's obvious we make decisions all the time, but volition is what perpetuates the individual. The statement that 'you have no volition' is ludicrous because you are re-becoming due to volition. The choiceless awareness, 'just looking', effectively strips one of indentified definition, and there is nothing there that can be preserved. The irony is, that makes you impervious. The statement 'you have no volition' is ludicrous, because there is no 'you' that really has volition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 12:05:31 GMT -5
It "seems" as though we have a choice to act on our preferences or not, but that we have no choice in what our preferences are :-) It's not that we have no choices, it's obvious we make decisions all the time, but volition is what perpetuates the individual. The statement that 'you have no volition' is ludicrous because you are re-becoming due to volition. The choiceless awareness, 'just looking', effectively strips one of indentified definition, and there is nothing there that can be preserved. The irony is, that makes you impervious. I think I probably land right in the middle of this whole volition debate, limited volition seems about right ;-) Meaning that yes, choices are made, but in most cases those choices seem to be limited relative to our preferences that we have no volition in choosing. However, we do seem to have volition to just.....STOP
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Post by lolly on Jul 15, 2013 18:18:22 GMT -5
Personally, I'm like a heavy meditator dude and practice for the sake of daily well-being as opposed to striving for enlightenment. Well-being isn't really an endeavour though, it's more like stop endeavouring. Problems occur in the psyche when something is disallowed passage, thoughts and emotions that get stopped up reiterate and become habitually reactive... that doesn't mean all this needs to be resolved prior to self realisation, because the true state of consciousness is as it is now. Enlightemnent is different in that the release of knots, blocks and emotional complexes allows more and more purity to rise through the psycho/physical structure, which is a sensation of pure unadulterated joy, yet one can be observer of that process with a calm and balanced mind rather that being overwhelmed by it. The individual is reformed as reactivity in this moment perpetuates the next moment's identity. The irony is, if one volitionally attempts to stop, they can't, because volition affects change rather than sees it as it happens to be.
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Post by topology on Jul 15, 2013 18:30:40 GMT -5
It's not that we have no choices, it's obvious we make decisions all the time, but volition is what perpetuates the individual. The statement that 'you have no volition' is ludicrous because you are re-becoming due to volition. The choiceless awareness, 'just looking', effectively strips one of indentified definition, and there is nothing there that can be preserved. The irony is, that makes you impervious. I think I probably land right in the middle of this whole volition debate, limited volition seems about right ;-) Meaning that yes, choices are made, but in most cases those choices seem to be limited relative to our preferences that we have no volition in choosing. However, we do seem to have volition to just.....STOP STOP what?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 19:30:18 GMT -5
I think I probably land right in the middle of this whole volition debate, limited volition seems about right ;-) Meaning that yes, choices are made, but in most cases those choices seem to be limited relative to our preferences that we have no volition in choosing. However, we do seem to have volition to just.....STOP STOP what? Movement
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 19:31:37 GMT -5
And to some extent: Participation, Doing, Being, Engagement, Knowing, etc..
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