the difference between Mooji and JedmcKenna

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i just completed this essay, and i think it is an answer to your question...how to distinguish true from false...i am not a follower of any of these teachers i mention here, though my practice resembles that off the teaching of Sri Aurobindo...

the difference between Mooji and mcKenna is that Mooji has done and still does practice a type of spiritual discipline which includes humility.That is why he is flooded with grace all the time, and an open mind can feel his divine impartial love flow from him.

Andrew Cohen is different again..he believes in hierarchy but appears to be putting himself and his realisation on the summit.

In REALITY, his realisation is very mediocre, and only a starting point in the yoga of Sri Aurobindo...which his Buddy Ken Wilber quotes and uses terms from, like ´´supramental´´ and ´´supermind´´, but actually they have never experienced these states let alone realised them, although they claim they have.It is easy to mistake a powerful experience for the ultimate one...Sri Aurobindo warns for that again and again.That is probably why Cohens students never get to read S.A....too many difficult questions for our selfproclaimed evolutionary superguru mr Cohen..At best he is filling in some details Aurobindo prepared for by calling down the Supramental into the earth plane.

I much prefer Mooji because he doesnt come with grandiose claims like Cohen does.

McKenna is just an escapist...''i am free,i have found the ultimate Truth, fuck you all, goodbeye''.

All three have realised Nirvana but each has a quite different take on what it means.

Sri Aurobindo

One might say there are as many nirvana's as there are yogi's.The basis is the same, the interpretation different.No one but Sri Aurobindo points this out.That is why this is all so confusing for students of enlightenment.

Another important observation: the difference between a free man and a MASTER...

A Master is a completely different category altogether.He has integrated the Soul into all Chakra´s or vice versa.There are very few of those.Satprem is one,he is already very advanced here,(see the interview´´satprem english´´ on youtube) but he reached the summit many years after the interview.

Then there are the ´´masters´ who have certain ´´siddhi´s´´, occult powers, which can be very impressive, like healing, manifesting things, moving objects without toching them etc.

These can be masters of the dark side, or they can be of good nature but still do not transmit any light at all.One sees this in the tantric schools,

and Tibetan buddism too.And the LSD culture .like Alex Grey is a good example.He has a 3rd eye siddhi, but not much more, and certainly not integral.

The problem is always :´´how do i know if a master is true? ´´

Unmixed, almost blinding light...all pervading...this still can be tricky (see my essay on andrew harvey, soon to be published) but it is the surest sign of purity.Usually accompanied with a very refined joy, or love.

Love even purer than what Mooji transmits, though i have no doubt Mooji is a true teacher.But he is not a Master.

Ultimately, a master can reshape his body...and is immortal.They exist but are rare and do not advertise...they work on deep levels ...where creation begins or has just begun, and try to guide earth into safe havens.Till now, dark forces dominate our daily lives and our habits and are driving our planet to the brink of extinction.You can help beat them by purifying yourself.

According to Sri Aurobindo, a first necessary step is to ´´pass through´´ Nirvana.Most teachers however get stuck there, they think it is the endstation.

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Mar 27, 2013 6:46:05 GMT -5 @leftook said:

i just completed this essay, and i think it is an answer to your question...how to distinguish true from false...i am not a follower of any of these teachers i mention here, though my practice resembles that off the teaching of Sri Aurobindo...

the difference between Mooji and mcKenna is that Mooji has done and still does practice a type of spiritual discipline which includes humility.That is why he is flooded with grace all the time, and an open mind can feel his divine impartial love flow from him.

Andrew Cohen is different again..he believes in hierarchy but appears to be putting himself and his realisation on the summit.

In REALITY, his realisation is very mediocre, and only a starting point in the yoga of Sri Aurobindo...which his Buddy Ken Wilber quotes and uses terms from, like ´´supramental´´ and ´´supermind´´, but actually they have never experienced these states let alone realised them, although they claim they have.It is easy to mistake a powerful experience for the ultimate one...Sri Aurobindo warns for that again and again.That is probably why Cohens students never get to read S.A....too many difficult questions for our selfproclaimed evolutionary superguru mr Cohen..At best he is filling in some details Aurobindo prepared for by calling down the Supramental into the earth plane.

I much prefer Mooji because he doesnt come with grandiose claims like Cohen does.

McKenna is just an escapist...''i am free,i have found the ultimate Truth, x you all, goodbeye''.

All three have realised Nirvana but each has a quite different take on what it means.

Sri Aurobindo

One might say there are as many nirvana's as there are yogi's.The basis is the same, the interpretation different.No one but Sri Aurobindo points this out.That is why this is all so confusing for students of enlightenment.

Another important observation: the difference between a free man and a MASTER...

A Master is a completely different category altogether.He has integrated the Soul into all Chakra´s or vice versa.There are very few of those.Satprem is one,he is already very advanced here,(see the interview´´satprem english´´ on youtube) but he reached the summit many years after the interview.

Then there are the ´´masters´ who have certain ´´siddhi´s´´, occult powers, which can be very impressive, like healing, manifesting things, moving objects without toching them etc.

These can be masters of the dark side, or they can be of good nature but still do not transmit any light at all.One sees this in the tantric schools,

and Tibetan buddism too.And the LSD culture .like Alex Grey is a good example.He has a 3rd eye siddhi, but not much more, and certainly not integral.

The problem is always :´´how do i know if a master is true? ´´

Unmixed, almost blinding light...all pervading...this still can be tricky (see my essay on andrew harvey, soon to be published) but it is the surest sign of purity.Usually accompanied with a very refined joy, or love.

Love even purer than what Mooji transmits, though i have no doubt Mooji is a true teacher.But he is not a Master.

Ultimately, a master can reshape his body...and is immortal.They exist but are rare and do not advertise...they work on deep levels ...where creation begins or has just begun, and try to guide earth into safe havens.Till now, dark forces dominate our daily lives and our habits and are driving our planet to the brink of extinction.You can help beat them by purifying yourself.

According to Sri Aurobindo, a first necessary step is to ´´pass through´´ Nirvana.Most teachers however get stuck there, they think it is the endstation.

I liked reading your analysis leftook. I've always thought Nirvana=endstation too (and BTW, don't consider my self even close to this). E.G. it seems like Buddha taught that. Where would you put Nisargadatta, Maharshi, Adyashanti, Byron Katie? Just wondering. Also, do you think it's possible for a Master to teach effectively via internet forum such as this?

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thank you maxdprophet

my analysis is not complete but it goes some way into the direction of what i wanted to convey, to shed some light on this confusion that existed in me and must exist in many others as well..

i have to look up adyashanti, not sure i know of (her?)..the others are not masters but they are free for sure...these teachers can be very helpful...wether they (or similar)can be of help to you on a forum like this depends on your receptivity and the kind of teaching...some have a powerful´´presence´´ which you can become aware of, around you, or in the heart, or above you..this depends on many things not easily explained. ...usually however i (used to)think you need to have had some personal contact to be able to recognise and ´´water´´ (as in flowering), the connection...i am new to this forum (this was my first posting) and i do not know who are the teachers here so i cant say anything about it. A lot depends on sincerity of the student, and the ´´personal power´´ of the teacher.

with ´´kind of teaching´´ i mean what they say, what they advise you to do or not do...it may depend partly on a personal chemistry, some have an intellectual approach, others go for a more ´´emotional´´ one.
their ´´inner presence´´ you can use as a guide...it shows which movements in your thought and feeling are heplful and which are not.They can be contradictory to each other..so it is good to stick with one teacher until you have gained a lot of experience.

when you read the words their presence filters through into you...even if you are not (yet ) aware of it.

I read ´´Sri Aurobindo or the adventure of consciousness´´ when I was 18, and at some point i saw a bluewhite light emanating from the book...i didmissed it (it was just a glimpse) as ...well i didnt take it seriously. Now, 40 years later, i know it was his Presence, Light, shining through it.

for the record, i am not a teacher,(have no intention of becoming one-but i am glad to share some of my knowledge) i am almost not enlightened,(this has also to do with the path i follow--too much to explain here) but i have a gift of often spotting the deeper truth of things...and i have had many experiences both spiritual and occult...if i shift attention, focus, i am silent...



I recommend you get a copy of ´´Sri Aurobindo or the adventure of consciousness´´ it is a book of an extraordinary man ,about an even more remarkable man who kept out of the limelight.A true Master. Aurobindo is not an easy read (except ´´letters on yoga´´, he wrote thousands of letters to his students..) (Satprem is very readable) and the book explains a lot about nirvana and the following stages, which, as i said, most teachers or freed men never get to. And he was the first to connect the concept of evolution with spirituality, and set out a path to reach the next stage (or species if you like) of earth evolution.An all inclusive teaching.But many traditional teacher find him a rebel and dont like him.(because he says we have to SAVE and transform earth, instead of escape from it)

there are free downloads since 2009 of many of sri aurobindo´s works.gooogle SABDA books click on selected works.´´Letters on yoga´´ vol 1 is among them.there is a chapter ´´planes and parts of the being´´

ignore the many sanskrit terms he uses....you will still get the drift of what he is saying...

if you are into poetry, download ´´savitri´´ - it is my main tool of personal growth...just reading it i get inundated with light.I do little else for spiritual practice,(except awareness and service-karma yoga) Aurobindo wrote it for that purpose.Mantric poetry.

i see you are a staff member here, could you tell me who are the teachers on this forum?

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sorry, maxdprophet, i see you arent staff, still, my question...could you tell me who are the teachers on this forum?

for an idea of what i mean with REALITY

imagine an ocean, like the pacific...multiply this by a 1000...the depth, the totally silent surface...it is love,joy, light, peace,power, in short, consciousness... almost solid...somewhere there is a square meter of very,very thin oil floating on top of it...that oil is our entire universe...is it an illusion?

Sri aurobindo says we can use consciousness to transform ourselves, our planet, our universe...this immortal Being, manifesting in a body...identical to a body..not as some mental concept but as solid experience...

john wheeler , jedMcKenna f.i. arent interested in that...for them the illusion is too overwhelming...which leaves earth in a limbo...4 billion years of evolution, just to escape?or to ´´enjoy the ride´´?

we dont think so...there is work to do...Nirvana?fine, but just to gain freedom to work more effectively...it is a fantastic adventure...

it is the ancient Vedic approach (all is consciousness) contra the advaita approach(non dualism)all except Maya is consciousness...
aurobindo added the concept of evolution...now it all makes sense...we are gointo be physically immortal..as a species...or the next species...

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Mar 28, 2013 7:53:26 GMT -5 @leftook said:

sorry, maxdprophet, i see you arent staff, still, my question...could you tell me who are the teachers on this forum?

for an idea of what i mean with REALITY

imagine an ocean, like the pacific...multiply this by a 1000...the depth, the totally silent surface...it is love,joy, light, peace,power, in short, consciousness... almost solid...somewhere there is a square meter of very,very thin oil floating on top of it...that oil is our entire universe...is it an illusion?

Sri aurobindo says we can use consciousness to transform ourselves, our planet, our universe...this immortal Being, manifesting in a body...identical to a body..not as some mental concept but as solid experience...

john wheeler , jedMcKenna f.i. arent interested in that...for them the illusion is too overwhelming...which leaves earth in a limbo...4 billion years of evolution, just to escape?or to ´´enjoy the ride´´?

we dont think so...there is work to do...Nirvana?fine, but just to gain freedom to work more effectively...it is a fantastic adventure...

it is the ancient Vedic approach (all is consciousness) contra the advaita approach(non dualism)all except Maya is consciousness...
aurobindo added the concept of evolution...now it all makes sense...we are gointo be physically immortal..as a species...or the next species...

Cool. I'll have to check some of his stuff out. I like the evolution idea. Reminds me of what Ken Wilber goes on about?

As far as teachers here... the name of the forum spiritualteachers comes directly from the website spiritualteachers.org. Shawn Nevins, who created that site, put up his own reviews of teachers he has had some interaction or experience with. Folks interested in his site then wanted to get together and talk about stuff so he attached this forum to it with the same name.

So there aren't any specific teachers per se. It sounds like you've poked around a little. There's an area where specific teachers are discussed. The general topic area is the most active. For the most part, folks that come here are interested in discussing 'spiritual' topics with a heavy slant in the nonduality range. There is generally a spirit of just having an open and honest dialogue -- standing 'shoulder to shoulder' and helping one another (hopefully) see each other's misunderstandings or particular quirks of communication. There's been a bit of a debate raging as to whether nonduality is too narrow of a topic or not.

It can be a tough crowd for those who claim to be at some special level of attainment or whatever. In my short tenure here I've seen several folks who claim some certain level of awakening or enlightenment or whatever get whipped up into a firestorm of drama, sometimes exploding into colorful fireballs of litigious accusations.

Zendancer is someone here who I would call a teacher. His message is most clearly identified as a teaching. There is a group of others that are viewed by some as teachers but whom I would characterize as a chorus of sorts -- like the greek chorus you find in ancient plays. They challenge and comment, holding up a mirror and such. Look at Enigma, Silence, laughter, reefs, top...There are others like andrew and arisha who seem mostly displeased at the nature of the message and question of those aformentioned. They also have 'teachings' they could offer but mostly challenge the challengers. Tzujanli goes there to, I'd say.

Then there are the rest, who I am too lazy to categorize. But really, I think the main spirit here is to learn from each other (though some will vociferously debate the actuality of this). It's a fun hangout on the whole.

Sri Auribindo hasn't come up much -- maybe you could start a thread in the Spiritual Teachers area and list some of the helpful ideas and pointers and references you have in mind?

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The difference between Mooji and JedmcKenna is that Mooji has done and still does practice a type of spiritual discipline which includes humility.That is why he is flooded with grace all the time, and an open mind can feel his divine impartial love flow from him.

Andrew Cohen is different again..he believes in hierarchy but appears to be putting himself and his realisation on the summit.

In REALITY, his realisation is very mediocre, and only a starting point in the yoga of Sri Aurobindo...which his Buddy Ken Wilber quotes and uses terms from, like ´´supramental´´ and ´´supermind´´, but actually they have never experienced these states let alone realised them, although they claim they have.(see my posting  andrew cohen, some commebnts on his teaching)

It is easy to mistake a powerful experience for the ultimate one...Sri Aurobindo warns for that again and again.That is probably why Cohens students never get to read S.A....too many difficult questions for our selfproclaimed evolutionary superguru mr Cohen..At best he is filling in some details Aurobindo prepared for by calling down the Supramental into the earth plane.

I much prefer Mooji because he doesnt come with grandiose claims like Cohen does.

McKenna is just an escapist...''i am free,i have found the ultimate Truth, fuc.k you all, goodbeye''.

All three have realised Nirvana but each has a quite different take on what it means.

Sri Aurobindo

One might say there are as many nirvana's as there are yogi's.The basis is the same, the interpretation different.Due to path,background, past experiences.
No one but Sri Aurobindo points this out.That is why this is all so confusing for students of enlightenment.

Another important observation: the difference between a free man and a MASTER...

A Master is a completely different category altogether.

He has integrated the Soul into all Chakra´s or vice versa.There are very few of those.Satprem is one,he is already very advanced here,(see the interview´´satprem english´´ on youtube) but he reached the summit many years after the interview.

Then there are the ´´masters´ who have certain ´´siddhi´s´´, occult powers, which can be very impressive, like healing, manifesting things, moving objects without touching them etc.

These can be masters of the dark side, or they can be of good nature but still do not transmit any light at all.One sees this in the tantric schools,

and Tibetan buddism too.
And the LSD culture .Alex Grey is a good example.He has a 3rd eye siddhi, but not much more, and certainly not integral.

The problem is always :´´how do i know if a master is true? ´´

Unmixed, almost blinding light...all pervading...this still can be tricky , but it is the surest sign of purity.Usually accompanied with a very refined joy, or love.And an incredible FRESHNESS in the heart.

Love even purer than what Mooji transmits, though i have no doubt Mooji is a true teacher.But he is not a Master.

Till now, dark forces dominate our daily lives and our habits and are driving our planet to the brink of extinction.You can help beat them by purifying yourself.

According to Sri Aurobindo, a first necessary step is to ´´pass through´´ Nirvana.Most teachers however get stuck there, they think it is the endstation.


for an idea of what i mean with REALITY

imagine an ocean, like the pacific...multiply this by a 1000...the depth,width, the totally silent surface...it is love,joy, light, peace,power, in short, consciousness... almost solid...somewhere there is a square meter of very,very thin oil floating on top of it...when sunlight reflects on it you see rainbow colors....that thin layer of oil is our entire universe...is it an illusion?


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[stardustpilgrim]

As far as I know, Jed just writes books. He or she may or may not be known by another name, probably has or has had students by that other name. All the stuff in the books can do, being conceptual, is point to something else. Everybody has to do their own work, we have to overcome our own crap. Even if we had Buddha or Jesus as our teacher, we still have to overcome our own crap.
sdp

[brokenyogi]

Cohen is trapped in Aurobindo's "intermediate zone". The death trap of narcissistic Gurus.

[silence]

I know this one! Mooji is black.

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May 11, 2013 20:37:00 GMT -5 silence said:

I know this one! Mooji is black.

[silence]

May 12, 2013 5:28:13 GMT -5 ???????? ???????????? said:

May 11, 2013 20:37:00 GMT -5 silence said:

I know this one! Mooji is black.