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Post by Beingist on Jun 19, 2013 14:50:33 GMT -5
We are talking about adults here and also not about lovers (I hope, or are you and Arisha and Tzu ...? ) Lovers? What the hell? Whoa. Where in the world did that come from?!?!
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Post by silver on Jun 19, 2013 15:00:50 GMT -5
Whoa. Where in the world did that come from?!?! You could ask Mr. Reefs, but I can tell you, it's simply his imagination working OT! like, wow, huh?! (I hope you did read his comment - OR did I read it wrong? I don't think I did.....)
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 19, 2013 21:08:30 GMT -5
Greetings.. Whoa. Where in the world did that come from?!?! LOL.. that's Reef's beliefs about provoking others to create the illusion he has something to contribute.. kinda like wearing the 'gang's colors', trying to provoke others so the rest of the gang can ridicule them under the pretense of all-knowing cosmic truth.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jun 19, 2013 21:16:17 GMT -5
Greetings.. Whoa. Where in the world did that come from?!?! LOL.. that's Reef's beliefs about provoking others to create the illusion he has something to contribute.. kinda like wearing the 'gang's colors', trying to provoke others so the rest of the gang can ridicule them under the pretense of all-knowing cosmic truth.. Be well.. <cosmic announcement> "earthling, you are creating a false story line and are therefore lying. truth is liberating! </cosmic announcement>
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Post by silver on Jun 19, 2013 21:21:41 GMT -5
You told me they were just words on a page - there is a need for balance around here. I suppose you could say she 'perpetrated her own kind of violence' because of what she perceived - and at times rightly so, because of the bullying that went on back then, and you know it. Do you believe there is such a thing as bullying? Or is it nonexistent? What if your kids came home from school and said that somebody was bullying them? How would you deal with it and feel about it? Have you ever dealt with that regarding your own children? Or another loved one? Does it exist in your world? You're okay with a little imbalance - or a lot - if it reinforces your own philosophies. We are talking about adults here and also not about lovers (I hope, or are you and Arisha and Tzu ...? ) This is gossip - suggesting some sort of dalliances are happening - that's a lie, bub - you have a lot of nerve saying that anyone else is the liar here. It may or may not be said for funnin', but I think it's quite childish.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 19, 2013 21:27:28 GMT -5
We are talking about adults here and also not about lovers (I hope, or are you and Arisha and Tzu ...? ) This is gossip - suggesting some sort of dalliances are happening - that's a lie, bub - you have a lot of nerve saying that anyone else is the liar here. It may or may not be said for funnin', but I think it's quite childish. Wow! Took you 2 days to catch up with that one. It was a silly joke, okay. Didn't expect to hit a nerve there. Just forgetaboutit.
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Post by silver on Jun 19, 2013 21:32:18 GMT -5
This is gossip - suggesting some sort of dalliances are happening - that's a lie, bub - you have a lot of nerve saying that anyone else is the liar here. It may or may not be said for funnin', but I think it's quite childish. Wow! Took you 2 days to catch up with that one. It was a silly joke, okay. Didn't expect to hit a nerve there. Just forgetaboutit. Yes. After the fact, you say it was a joke. I don't know how you figure I'm just now catching up. I wouldn't have said anything further if you hadn't. It's just another silly distraction. You're veering into name-calling territory is all.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 19, 2013 21:33:35 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. LOL.. that's Reef's beliefs about provoking others to create the illusion he has something to contribute.. kinda like wearing the 'gang's colors', trying to provoke others so the rest of the gang can ridicule them under the pretense of all-knowing cosmic truth.. Be well.. <cosmic announcement> "earthling, you are creating a false story line and are therefore lying. truth is liberating! </cosmic announcement> It's what you do, Reefs.. the story is as appropriate as your actions on this forum.. you've stated as much, that you provoke others, and it's plainly observable that the "musketeers" ridicule.. the story line stands against your objection.. 'truth' is not liberating, it's an attachment to beliefs about what the observer thinks truth is.. liberation is letting go of attachments/beliefs.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jun 19, 2013 21:44:39 GMT -5
Greetings.. <cosmic announcement> "earthling, you are creating a false story line and are therefore lying. truth is liberating! </cosmic announcement> It's what you do, Reefs.. the story is as appropriate as your actions on this forum.. you've stated as much, that you provoke others, and it's plainly observable that the "musketeers" ridicule.. the story line stands against your objection.. 'truth' is not liberating, it's an attachment to beliefs about what the observer thinks truth is.. liberation is letting go of attachments/beliefs.. Be well.. Sorry to interrupt your ongoing display of your attachments to certain buzzwords but the lines "creating a false storyline" and "truth is liberating" I borrowed from the Tathagata (now Steve).
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 19, 2013 21:53:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. It's what you do, Reefs.. the story is as appropriate as your actions on this forum.. you've stated as much, that you provoke others, and it's plainly observable that the "musketeers" ridicule.. the story line stands against your objection.. 'truth' is not liberating, it's an attachment to beliefs about what the observer thinks truth is.. liberation is letting go of attachments/beliefs.. Be well.. Sorry to interrupt your ongoing display of your attachments to certain buzzwords but the lines "creating a false storyline" and "truth is liberating" I borrowed from the Tathagata (now Steve). It would seem that it is you that are attached to the buzzwords, seeing as how you reuse them.. authenticity is so difficult for some people.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jun 20, 2013 16:20:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. The guy who wrote that assertion (not me) was using the word "mind" one way, you use it another. To remind you of how colossal a waste of time it is to quibble based on a difference of definition is perhaps a bit less of a waste of time than what you've been reminded of. Such is the nature of promoting beliefs, time is wasted in promoting.. less wasted in the experiencing of the Life being lived, yet the quibble serves the quibbler when on the other foot the same shoe is worn.. Be well.. On this statement, taken for what it says on it's face, out of the context of our conversation, I am in complete and unqualified agreement, which, of course, can be read as a statement of embedded irony depending on whether or not it is characterized as either stating a belief about belief or a report of experience. That this potential is explicitly recognized renders the embedding not unconscious, although the matter of intent is left to the reader. In the final analysis, it is a distinction without a difference, but one that you repetitively state to be imperative. Plainly stated, you name me a quibbler as well! I didn't realize there was a specific ongoing quibble between us in this spur of our ongoing conversation Now, conscious of the previously asserted nature of time that is spent quibbling, the logical choice to make here is to simply ignore your response beyond this, but in getting to the punchline of "To thine own self be true and it must follow as the night the day thou canst not then be false to any man.", the wise Pollonius: builds with this bit of advice: "Beware Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in, bear it that the opposèd may beware of thee." So I'll make you a deal tzu ... if you show me where exactly the quibble began and can demonstrate my indiscretion at having entered it, I'll then gladly join in it with glee and from this particular point of multi-self-contradiction: Greetings.. Yes, if the mind investigates the assertion "You are not your mind" and does so honestly and astutely it doesn't take long for it to abandon logic and reason as the tools for the investigation.There seems to be great effort being expended to establish as 'true' a condition imagined as true, but.. 'that which is' is mind, too.. but, i agree, if the mind investigates the assertion "You are not your mind" and does so honestly and astutely it doesn't take long for it to abandon logic and reason as the tools for the investigation, it becomes apparent that the assertion is imagined.. what is apparent, is that 'you' are mind and more, and are not defined by mind alone.. Be well.. ...to be clear ... at this juncture the quibble is only over whether or not there was a quibble, so to reference any words after these in response to my challenge would constitute an obvious instance of giraffe midwifery. I do hope that you understand the twin matters of olfactory dissonance and the implicit offer in response to the call embodied by this thread title that motivated me to move this out of the thread of it's origin
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 20, 2013 16:47:41 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Such is the nature of promoting beliefs, time is wasted in promoting.. less wasted in the experiencing of the Life being lived, yet the quibble serves the quibbler when on the other foot the same shoe is worn.. Be well.. On this statement, taken for what it says on it's face, out of the context of our conversation, I am in complete and unqualified agreement, which, of course, can be read as a statement of embedded irony depending on whether or not it is characterized as either stating a belief about belief or a report of experience. That this potential is explicitly recognized renders the embedding not unconscious, although the matter of intent is left to the reader. In the final analysis, it is a distinction without a difference, but one that you repetitively state to be imperative. Plainly stated, you name me a quibbler as well! I didn't realize there was a specific ongoing quibble between us in this spur of our ongoing conversation Now, conscious of the previously asserted nature of time that is spent quibbling, the logical choice to make here is to simply ignore your response beyond this, but in getting to the punchline of "To thine own self be true and it must follow as the night the day thou canst not then be false to any man.", the wise Pollonius: builds with this bit of advice: "Beware Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in, bear it that the opposèd may beware of thee." So I'll make you a deal tzu ... if you show me where exactly the quibble began and can demonstrate my indiscretion at having entered it, I'll then gladly join in it with glee and from this particular point of multi-self-contradiction: Greetings.. There seems to be great effort being expended to establish as 'true' a condition imagined as true, but.. 'that which is' is mind, too.. but, i agree, if the mind investigates the assertion "You are not your mind" and does so honestly and astutely it doesn't take long for it to abandon logic and reason as the tools for the investigation, it becomes apparent that the assertion is imagined.. what is apparent, is that 'you' are mind and more, and are not defined by mind alone.. Be well.. ... to be clear ... at this juncture the quibble is only over whether or not there was a quibble, so to reference any words after these in response to my challenge would constitute an obvious instance of giraffe midwifery. I do hope that you understand the twin matters of olfactory dissonance and the implicit offer in response to the call embodied by this thread title that motivated me to move this out of the thread of it's origin To be clear, your stipulation fails at inception.. the quibble is ongoing between schools of thought and deceptively clever ways of presenting offensive characterizations.. hence, your citation of midwifery comes from your CV (chuckle, snortle, chuckle).. challenge denied.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jun 20, 2013 16:52:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. There's a lot of different issues here that I'm not getting into, the point was that animals do experience a separation from one another. As i'm paying attention to what is happening, i notice that animals sometimes fight, that sometimes one animal consumes another.. it's unlikely that animals are debating what they experience, the experience speaks for itself.. Be well.. For the 2nd time, what do you hear it saying? What is the content of the conversation that you hear?
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Post by laughter on Jun 20, 2013 16:54:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. On this statement, taken for what it says on it's face, out of the context of our conversation, I am in complete and unqualified agreement, which, of course, can be read as a statement of embedded irony depending on whether or not it is characterized as either stating a belief about belief or a report of experience. That this potential is explicitly recognized renders the embedding not unconscious, although the matter of intent is left to the reader. In the final analysis, it is a distinction without a difference, but one that you repetitively state to be imperative. Plainly stated, you name me a quibbler as well! I didn't realize there was a specific ongoing quibble between us in this spur of our ongoing conversation Now, conscious of the previously asserted nature of time that is spent quibbling, the logical choice to make here is to simply ignore your response beyond this, but in getting to the punchline of "To thine own self be true and it must follow as the night the day thou canst not then be false to any man.", the wise Pollonius: builds with this bit of advice: "Beware Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in, bear it that the opposèd may beware of thee." So I'll make you a deal tzu ... if you show me where exactly the quibble began and can demonstrate my indiscretion at having entered it, I'll then gladly join in it with glee and from this particular point of multi-self-contradiction: ... to be clear ... at this juncture the quibble is only over whether or not there was a quibble, so to reference any words after these in response to my challenge would constitute an obvious instance of giraffe midwifery. I do hope that you understand the twin matters of olfactory dissonance and the implicit offer in response to the call embodied by this thread title that motivated me to move this out of the thread of it's origin To be clear, your stipulation fails at inception.. the quibble is ongoing between schools of thought and deceptively clever ways of presenting offensive characterizations.. hence, your citation of midwifery comes from your CV (chuckle, snortle, chuckle).. challenge denied.. Be well.. Oh, so you see our entire conversation as a quibble then. Well, glad I don't have to waste time on that one! You were wise to beware entry into that quarrel as the self-contradictions in what I quoted you on are fuel enough for another dozen or so pages of OHD.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 20, 2013 18:38:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. To be clear, your stipulation fails at inception.. the quibble is ongoing between schools of thought and deceptively clever ways of presenting offensive characterizations.. hence, your citation of midwifery comes from your CV (chuckle, snortle, chuckle).. challenge denied.. Be well.. Oh, so you see our entire conversation as a quibble then. Well, glad I don't have to waste time on that one! You were wise to beware entry into that quarrel as the self-contradictions in what I quoted you on are fuel enough for another dozen or so pages of OHD. To your credit, though.. the Giraffes you proudly parade are so smart and clever compared to such a dull wit as i.. There was no quarrel to enter, friend.. no consequence, no end.. Be well..
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