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Post by lolly on Jun 25, 2013 5:38:41 GMT -5
Hmmm... try copy and paste to url
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Post by Beingist on Jun 25, 2013 7:16:01 GMT -5
To our international friends here please take the American embodiment of the right of free speech in compensation for our export of McDonalds. Oh, that's rich!
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 25, 2013 8:36:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. Then there are two different notions of censure. The first notion of censure is being banned from the park. The second notion of censure is being asked to stay out of an aspect of the park. If there is a group of peeps who are wanting to talk to each other and the E and R peeps keep inserting themselves in the group, being asked to stay out of the group is the second kind of censure. Limiting speech is limiting speech. My understanding of the current limitation here is a prohibition on overt and insulting personal attacks not rooted in the content of the conversation. Anyway the analogy is getting convoluted because I'm trying to wrestle with your black and white perception of it being about censure and I'm trying to point out more of a grey scale or it being of a different color completely. I can see things from the opposing point of view and I understand it. Not that I necessarily agree with it. If anything my nature as peace maker has me trying to get the two sides to understand each other and I'm in the middle trying to translate. I don't see what they are asking for as complete censure. What they want is to feel like there is room to have a conversation with each other because they can't help themselves devolving into personal reactivity when you and Reefs engage from your perspectives. It's not saying they want to completely cut you out, I see there is still openness to interact with you, but they want space to be away from you while being here on the forum at the same time. I have two young kids, I completely get the idea of wanting space and room for other things while not wanting to completely cut my kids out of my life. A clear value-based choice is presented. The tradeoff is between the opportunity for taking responsibility for what one types here and the opportunity to interact in a mode rooted in the overt exclusion of some perspectives.It's a no-brainer. It seems to me that the issue is not about content, it seems to be about method.. when discussions are consistently derailed, regardless of content, the derailing has the effect of limiting the process of discussing whatever content is being discussed.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jun 25, 2013 9:32:06 GMT -5
Hmmm... try copy and paste to url THANK GOD I'M AMERICAN! (...haven't read the article yet btw ...)
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Post by laughter on Jun 25, 2013 9:35:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. Limiting speech is limiting speech. My understanding of the current limitation here is a prohibition on overt and insulting personal attacks not rooted in the content of the conversation. A clear value-based choice is presented. The tradeoff is between the opportunity for taking responsibility for what one types here and the opportunity to interact in a mode rooted in the overt exclusion of some perspectives.It's a no-brainer. It seems to me that the issue is not about content, it seems to be about method.. when discussions are consistently derailed, regardless of content, the derailing has the effect of limiting the process of discussing whatever content is being discussed.. Be well.. Well what do you have to say with top's evaluation there? Are you able to help yourself from: devolving into personal reactivity when "E and Reefs engage from their perspectives" ?
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 9:44:02 GMT -5
Hmmm... try copy and paste to url THANK GOD I'M AMERICAN! (...haven't read the article yet btw ...)No, no, no. Thank God I'm a county boy!
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Post by laughter on Jun 25, 2013 9:45:23 GMT -5
THANK GOD I'M AMERICAN! (...haven't read the article yet btw ...)No, no, no. Thank God I'm a county boy! life ain't nuthin' but a funny funny riddle!
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 9:50:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. It seems to me that the issue is not about content, it seems to be about method.. when discussions are consistently derailed, regardless of content, the derailing has the effect of limiting the process of discussing whatever content is being discussed.. Be well.. Well what do you have to say with top's evaluation there? Are you able to help yourself from: devolving into personal reactivity when "E and Reefs engage from their perspectives" ? Irrelevant - moot - impotent...............Their ways and means inherently are designed to hog-tie and stifle those with, what in their estimation is a decided nondualistic-type - even those who come here in all sincerity, to absorb, drink in, or otherwise learn about something they've never experienced or performed or even enjoyed before - thereby stunting and discouraging most, if not any new blood / those with even a miniscule amount of ability. Theretofore, it is only through such mesmerizations and brainwashing that they will 'come' to 'believe'. Tsk, tsk....just sick.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 9:59:43 GMT -5
Well what do you have to say with top's evaluation there? Are you able to help yourself from: "E and Reefs engage from their perspectives" ? Irrelevant - moot - impotent...............Their ways and means inherently are designed to hog-tie and stifle those with, what in their estimation is a decided nondualistic-type - even those who come here in all sincerity, to absorb, drink in, or otherwise learn about something they've never experienced or performed or even enjoyed before - thereby stunting and discouraging most, if not any new blood / those with even a miniscule amount of ability. Theretofore, it is only through such mesmerizations and brainwashing that they will 'come' to 'believe'. Tsk, tsk.... just sick. I prefer the power of love, meself....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 10:06:38 GMT -5
where you at bro? ;-)
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 10:12:20 GMT -5
Irrelevant - moot - impotent...............Their ways and means inherently are designed to hog-tie and stifle those with, what in their estimation is a decided nondualistic-type - even those who come here in all sincerity, to absorb, drink in, or otherwise learn about something they've never experienced or performed or even enjoyed before - thereby stunting and discouraging most, if not any new blood / those with even a miniscule amount of ability. Theretofore, it is only through such mesmerizations and brainwashing that they will 'come' to 'believe'. Tsk, tsk.... just sick. I prefer the power of love, meself.... You find these contradictory, I take it. ~smile~ Just think about a mother's love - to recognize when their child(ren) is sick - sometimes she can do something about it - sometimes she can't.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 10:31:56 GMT -5
You find these contradictory, I take it. ~smile~ Just think about a mother's love - to recognize when their child(ren) is sick - sometimes she can do something about it - sometimes she can't. If you look at the context, that's not the kind of 'sick' you were talking about. Wheeeeeeeee....
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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 10:36:00 GMT -5
You find these contradictory, I take it. ~smile~ Just think about a mother's love - to recognize when their child(ren) is sick - sometimes she can do something about it - sometimes she can't. If you look at the context, that's not the kind of 'sick' you were talking about. Wheeeeeeeee.... Oh, you're a mind reader, now, too?
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Post by laughter on Jun 25, 2013 13:59:56 GMT -5
Well what do you have to say with top's evaluation there? Are you able to help yourself from: "E and Reefs engage from their perspectives" ? Irrelevant - moot - impotent...............Their ways and means inherently are designed to hog-tie and stifle those with, what in their estimation is a decided nondualistic-type - even those who come here in all sincerity, to absorb, drink in, or otherwise learn about something they've never experienced or performed or even enjoyed before - thereby stunting and discouraging most, if not any new blood / those with even a miniscule amount of ability. Theretofore, it is only through such mesmerizations and brainwashing that they will 'come' to 'believe'. Tsk, tsk....just sick. who wrote the words that I'm responding to here? who had the feelings that drove their authoring? who thought the thoughts that were rendered into words? Reefs? Enigma? Me? ..... nope.
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Post by laughter on Jun 25, 2013 14:01:24 GMT -5
where you at bro? ;-) Everyone knows it's the shadow hedgies that used to own Godman Sachs ... Verizon's jest theys mouthpiece ...
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