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Post by Reefs on Nov 8, 2012 1:33:24 GMT -5
Where are the Colombian coffee pictures, Enigma? Que?? No entiende. Nevermind. Found something funny:
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Post by enigma on Nov 8, 2012 1:49:22 GMT -5
No entiende. Nevermind. Found something funny: Hehe. Well, I'll say there's never a dull moment. ;D
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Post by Reefs on Nov 8, 2012 2:36:34 GMT -5
Esponja - I don't know what to think about manifestations. basically: thoughts = feelings = manifestations = appearances thoughts ---> feelings ---> manifestations sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations happy thoughts ---> happy feelings ---> happy manifestations no thoughts ---> no feelings ---> no manifestations vicious cycle: sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> sh!tty thouhgts ---> .... that's how to break the cycle: sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> ?? ---> not so sh!tty thoughts ---> not so sh!tty feelings ---> not so sh!tty manifestations ---> not so sh!tty things to observe ---> ... That's my take on LOA. ;D
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Post by laughter on Nov 8, 2012 3:44:05 GMT -5
By manifestations, I mean having a thought/image of something you'd like to happen-say like a new bag for example, then it appearing. You get extra cash to buy it or someone buys it for you as a present...just an example. That's my take on LOA. ;D Having gone through most of my life as someone who had no idea of what they wanted has afforded me the opportunity to observe all sorts of highly improbable coincidences (aka: synchronicities). Fun stuff.
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Post by esponja on Nov 8, 2012 6:11:15 GMT -5
Esponja - I don't know what to think about manifestations. basically: thoughts = feelings = manifestations = appearances thoughts ---> feelings ---> manifestations sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations happy thoughts ---> happy feelings ---> happy manifestations no thoughts ---> no feelings ---> no manifestations vicious cycle: sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> sh!tty thouhgts ---> .... that's how to break the cycle: sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> sh!tty thoughts ---> sh!tty feelings ---> sh!tty manifestations ---> sh!tty things to observe ---> ?? ---> not so sh!tty thoughts ---> not so sh!tty feelings ---> not so sh!tty manifestations ---> not so sh!tty things to observe ---> ... That's my take on LOA. ;D Easy peezy lemon squeezy
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Post by esponja on Nov 8, 2012 6:57:08 GMT -5
Love it, was thinking about all this and 'surrendering' in general and today on my FB page, Tolle says "surrender is the simple but profound wisdom of yielding to rather than opposing the flow of life".
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Post by Reefs on Nov 8, 2012 7:14:58 GMT -5
Love it, was thinking about all this and 'surrendering' in general and today on my FB page, Tolle says "surrender is the simple but profound wisdom of yielding to rather than opposing the flow of life". maybe 'surrender' is the ?? part
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Post by esponja on Nov 8, 2012 7:39:35 GMT -5
Love it, was thinking about all this and 'surrendering' in general and today on my FB page, Tolle says "surrender is the simple but profound wisdom of yielding to rather than opposing the flow of life". maybe 'surrender' is the ?? part I think that's been my missing link maybe. Storytime (as Andrew would say), a cple of years ago we tried to sell our house and put in offers on a couple of new places that got rejected for one reason or another. Well, the first, which I loved now has a huge building next door to it blocking the light. We just couldn't sell our property despite being told how nice it was etc etc. A year later we tried again, we looked at one property in an area we thought we could never afford and the sale at both ends went smoothly and I have never been happier. I actually looked at one of my 'desires' from 'the secret' days and this property matches the description. I never got upset about the house not selling, always new it was about timing etc. Unrelated now, but today I wore a dress and struggled to match shoes, so wore any old ones, a friend has just given me (whilst writing this) a pair that don't fit her which are an exact match and brand new. Maybe I'm just noticing more..but pretty cool!
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Post by quinn on Nov 8, 2012 8:35:13 GMT -5
Love it, was thinking about all this and 'surrendering' in general and today on my FB page, Tolle says "surrender is the simple but profound wisdom of yielding to rather than opposing the flow of life". maybe 'surrender' is the ?? part That's exactly what I was going to ask. What's the ?? part? What I'm getting from the book is ?? = pretend. Go in a room and think up a scenario you want. That's the part that I'm WTF about. Years ago, I read the child's book - I forget the name, Sara something? - and it talked about picking out the positive things Sh!tty manifestations --> Shift attention to Not Sh!tty observations --> less Sh!tty manifestations Now this made sense to me. It's like with the media in the US - they only report bad news and we forget that if it's newsworthy, it's rare. So people walk around in a state of anxiety about how the world's going to hell, meanwhile they've got kind neighbors and good friends. Just an unbalanced situation. But this pretend business...it just doesn't sit right.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 8, 2012 10:42:13 GMT -5
That's exactly what I was going to ask. What's the ?? part? What I'm getting from the book is ?? = pretend. Go in a room and think up a scenario you want. That's the part that I'm WTF about. Years ago, I read the child's book - I forget the name, Sara something? - and it talked about picking out the positive things Sh!tty manifestations --> Shift attention to Not Sh!tty observations --> less Sh!tty manifestations Now this made sense to me. It's like with the media in the US - they only report bad news and we forget that if it's newsworthy, it's rare. So people walk around in a state of anxiety about how the world's going to hell, meanwhile they've got kind neighbors and good friends. Just an unbalanced situation. But this pretend business...it just doesn't sit right. The ?? part is very important in understanding where LOA teachings and non-duality teachings go separate ways. The LOA teachings take free will as granted because they are offered from a personal perspective to other persons. And persons can't do any other than feeling free with their will. So the ?? part would be 'exercising your free will' in the LOA teachings. The non-duality teachings take one more step back. They ask: where does that impulse to exercise your free will come from? That question has no answer. The impulse is just there. And when it's there, thoughts come, feelings come and the manifestation process gets going according to LOA. But that's hard to convey as a teaching to a person that has the feeling of free will in her/his blood and can't just conclude her/his way out of it. So although the non-duality teachings seem to have a better explanation, they are utterly 'useless' for everydaylife situations and get easily discarded. You can't give practical advice if you don't know who's pulling the strings. So non-duality teachings are basically void of practical advice. On the other hand, LOA teachings are full of practical advice because they go with the appearance of free will. And that's not so silly as many here might think. The person cannot get rid of having a personal vantage point with free will illusion, so the person might as well just go 'deliberately' with the illusion - kinda "if you can't beat them, join them!" thing. And that's usually my 'advice'.
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Post by quinn on Nov 8, 2012 11:19:29 GMT -5
The ?? part is very important in understanding where LOA teachings and non-duality teachings go separate ways. The LOA teachings take free will as granted because they are offered from a personal perspective to other persons. And persons can't do any other than feeling free with their will. So the ?? part would be 'exercising your free will' in the LOA teachings. The non-duality teachings take one more step back. They ask: where does that impulse to exercise your free will come from? That question has no answer. The impulse is just there. And when it's there, thoughts come, feelings come and the manifestation process gets going according to LOA. But that's hard to convey as a teaching to a person that has the feeling of free will in her/his blood and can't just conclude her/his way out of it. So although the non-duality teachings seem to have a better explanation, they are utterly 'useless' for everydaylife situations and get easily discarded. You can't give practical advice if you don't know who's pulling the strings. So non-duality teachings are basically void of practical advice. On the other hand, LOA teachings are full of practical advice because they go with the appearance of free will. And that's not so silly as many here might think. The person cannot get rid of having a personal vantage point with free will illusion, so the person might as well just go 'deliberately' with the illusion - kinda "if you can't beat them, join them!" thing. And that's usually my 'advice'. I need to let all that soak in and see what comes up. I actually see non-duality as immensely practical - the more notions that fall away, the more life is in my living. And the free-will notion is pretty much gone. I don't think I could resurrect it if I wanted to. At the same time, my body would be immensely grateful if I stopped smoking, so a little free-will might be helpful there ;D. Anyway, that was very clear. Thanks.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 9, 2012 7:23:43 GMT -5
The ?? part is very important in understanding where LOA teachings and non-duality teachings go separate ways. The LOA teachings take free will as granted because they are offered from a personal perspective to other persons. And persons can't do any other than feeling free with their will. So the ?? part would be 'exercising your free will' in the LOA teachings. The non-duality teachings take one more step back. They ask: where does that impulse to exercise your free will come from? That question has no answer. The impulse is just there. And when it's there, thoughts come, feelings come and the manifestation process gets going according to LOA. But that's hard to convey as a teaching to a person that has the feeling of free will in her/his blood and can't just conclude her/his way out of it. So although the non-duality teachings seem to have a better explanation, they are utterly 'useless' for everydaylife situations and get easily discarded. You can't give practical advice if you don't know who's pulling the strings. So non-duality teachings are basically void of practical advice. On the other hand, LOA teachings are full of practical advice because they go with the appearance of free will. And that's not so silly as many here might think. The person cannot get rid of having a personal vantage point with free will illusion, so the person might as well just go 'deliberately' with the illusion - kinda "if you can't beat them, join them!" thing. And that's usually my 'advice'. I need to let all that soak in and see what comes up. I actually see non-duality as immensely practical - the more notions that fall away, the more life is in my living. And the free-will notion is pretty much gone. I don't think I could resurrect it if I wanted to. At the same time, my body would be immensely grateful if I stopped smoking, so a little free-will might be helpful there ;D. Anyway, that was very clear. Thanks. Are you a smoker only in your waking state or are you a smoker in your dream state, too?
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Post by quinn on Nov 9, 2012 8:14:44 GMT -5
Are you a smoker only in your waking state or are you a smoker in your dream state, too? Not sure what you mean by waking state vs dream state. Some here call the whole shebang the dream state. When I'm meditating or doing a physical task or in places I'm used to not smoking (class, grocery store, etc.), it doesn't even come to mind to reach for a cig. When I'm doing my OCD thing with programming - de-bugging relentlessly - when the program's working, I look at the ashtray and it's practically full. I have no memory of lighting that many. So it's sort of a dream state. ;D Asleep and dreaming - am I ever smoking a cigarette in my dreams? Not that I can remember.
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Post by topology on Nov 9, 2012 8:22:12 GMT -5
Are you a smoker only in your waking state or are you a smoker in your dream state, too? Not sure what you mean by waking state vs dream state. Some here call the whole shebang the dream state. When I'm meditating or doing a physical task or in places I'm used to not smoking (class, grocery store, etc.), it doesn't even come to mind to reach for a cig. When I'm doing my OCD thing with programming - de-bugging relentlessly - when the program's working, I look at the ashtray and it's practically full. I have no memory of lighting that many. So it's sort of a dream state. ;D Asleep and dreaming - am I ever smoking a cigarette in my dreams? Not that I can remember. You're a frantic debugger? What is your attitude towards debugging (and programming for that matter)? It seems like it generates stress or tension for you, or puts you so out of aware of anything else that the body smokes its way through the experience.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 9, 2012 8:37:20 GMT -5
Are you a smoker only in your waking state or are you a smoker in your dream state, too? Not sure what you mean by waking state vs dream state. Some here call the whole shebang the dream state. When I'm meditating or doing a physical task or in places I'm used to not smoking (class, grocery store, etc.), it doesn't even come to mind to reach for a cig. When I'm doing my OCD thing with programming - de-bugging relentlessly - when the program's working, I look at the ashtray and it's practically full. I have no memory of lighting that many. So it's sort of a dream state. ;D Asleep and dreaming - am I ever smoking a cigarette in my dreams? Not that I can remember. That's good if you aren't a smoker in your dream state. That means it's not a central part of your current identity. A-H aren't against smoking at all if it's not done feeling guilty. They actually see it as beneficial to the body when it's done to relax the body - kinda raising vibration thingy. You could put the ashtray somewhere else where you have to get up to throw your ciggies in. Then you'll be aware of you smoking.
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