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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2014 16:44:25 GMT -5
If it embarrasses you,or bothers you in any way, I could remove it, but then why did you make the letters so big? As you already know, we are the ones who end up talking about it or have, and I can't help myself because it's an issue that will remain undealt with in any appropriate, intelligent way - I mean, if sharon can express hope for a similar issue, there's hope for all, because it's all the same ball o' wax. I have no problem or discomfort with discussing anything. That's your projection onto me. I just want to know why you added my forum handle to it. I haven't posted in this thread for EONS months. So you're talking towards something you think you see in me, but you are avoiding talking to me. I'm not the one with discomfort in talking about that something. What is it you think you're talking to in me? Why did you add my name to the post? Jeebus! I'm ASKing, it's no projection, at all! I think you and Laffy have been over-using that word. This thread is still part of the forum and I use it when use it just like any other thread. If you didn't have discomfort, you wouldn't be giving me the impression that you are uncomfortable in some way, so just say whatever you have to say straight out. I think you're annoyed with me, and uh well, that stuff happens around here, sometimes. That's a funny way to put it, I don't think I'm talking to 'something' in you -- that's just odd way to say whatever. I think it's a way for you to hide or dodge away from the discomfort you feel in my having addressed you seemingly out of left field about this topic, so I won't do that anymore. My apologies.
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Post by topology on Jun 13, 2014 17:50:39 GMT -5
I have no problem or discomfort with discussing anything. That's your projection onto me. I just want to know why you added my forum handle to it. I haven't posted in this thread for EONS months. So you're talking towards something you think you see in me, but you are avoiding talking to me. I'm not the one with discomfort in talking about that something. What is it you think you're talking to in me? Why did you add my name to the post? Jeebus! I'm ASKing, it's no projection, at all! I think you and Laffy have been over-using that word. This thread is still part of the forum and I use it when use it just like any other thread. If you didn't have discomfort, you wouldn't be giving me the impression that you are uncomfortable in some way, so just say whatever you have to say straight out. I think you're annoyed with me, and uh well, that stuff happens around here, sometimes. That's a funny way to put it, I don't think I'm talking to 'something' in you -- that's just odd way to say whatever. I think it's a way for you to hide or dodge away from the discomfort you feel in my having addressed you seemingly out of left field about this topic, so I won't do that anymore. My apologies. You didn't ask me a question. You said: It's not just a one-sided thing, Top.It seemed like you were trying to relate what you had just posted back to our discussion over victim-hood. But you posted in this thread instead of in that thread. I wasn't active in this thread, so you ear-marking the post on sex-trafficking in my direction in this thread is ODD. I'm not clear on the point you're trying to make. It seems like to me the point you're trying to make is that you feel like there are genuine victims out there, people who are currently being abused, beaten, raped, etc. etc. I agree, all that bad and nasty stuff does happen and it needs to stop. What I've been talking about in terms of not perceiving and defining oneself as a victim, it is for when the victimization stops and the road to healing, recovery and moving on begins. In the case of these women being sex-slaves, they are in a bad situation because they don't have the physical strength to defend themselves against their aggressors and there is nobody around them to stick up for them and to prevent the abusers from abusing. -------------------------- But I'm going to draw a line, and its a line that you're probably not going to like. There is nobody in my life and in my local sphere of influence that is being sex-trafficked. It's not my responsibility to abandon my commitments to chase after the idea that there are people out there who are being trafficked. I don't doubt that if I went looking I would find them. But is it really MY responsibility to save them? Since you singled me out at the bottom of your post, what do you perceive as my responsibility towards the problem you are posting about?
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Post by laughter on Jun 13, 2014 19:10:01 GMT -5
So...if there were kids who shared as a matter of course, they should be put down and derided for it? What? This stuff doesn't fit in with your philosophy? What?? How does that denigrate the imaginary children?? toro! toro! it's an internet myth! toro! toro!
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2014 19:32:10 GMT -5
So...if there were kids who shared as a matter of course, they should be put down and derided for it? What? This stuff doesn't fit in with your philosophy? What?? How does that denigrate the imaginary children?? toro! toro! it's an internet myth! toro! toro! Well, if they are imaginary children, then you must be imaginary Laffy.
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2014 19:33:09 GMT -5
Jeebus! I'm ASKing, it's no projection, at all! I think you and Laffy have been over-using that word. This thread is still part of the forum and I use it when use it just like any other thread. If you didn't have discomfort, you wouldn't be giving me the impression that you are uncomfortable in some way, so just say whatever you have to say straight out. I think you're annoyed with me, and uh well, that stuff happens around here, sometimes. That's a funny way to put it, I don't think I'm talking to 'something' in you -- that's just odd way to say whatever. I think it's a way for you to hide or dodge away from the discomfort you feel in my having addressed you seemingly out of left field about this topic, so I won't do that anymore. My apologies. You didn't ask me a question. You said: It's not just a one-sided thing, Top.It seemed like you were trying to relate what you had just posted back to our discussion over victim-hood. But you posted in this thread instead of in that thread. I wasn't active in this thread, so you ear-marking the post on sex-trafficking in my direction in this thread is ODD. I'm not clear on the point you're trying to make. It seems like to me the point you're trying to make is that you feel like there are genuine victims out there, people who are currently being abused, beaten, raped, etc. etc. I agree, all that bad and nasty stuff does happen and it needs to stop. What I've been talking about in terms of not perceiving and defining oneself as a victim, it is for when the victimization stops and the road to healing, recovery and moving on begins. In the case of these women being sex-slaves, they are in a bad situation because they don't have the physical strength to defend themselves against their aggressors and there is nobody around them to stick up for them and to prevent the abusers from abusing. -------------------------- But I'm going to draw a line, and its a line that you're probably not going to like. There is nobody in my life and in my local sphere of influence that is being sex-trafficked. It's not my responsibility to abandon my commitments to chase after the idea that there are people out there who are being trafficked. I don't doubt that if I went looking I would find them. But is it really MY responsibility to save them? Since you singled me out at the bottom of your post, what do you perceive as my responsibility towards the problem you are posting about? Look, I'll make it real simple real quick: Stop messing around at st.org and go do your paper.
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Post by topology on Jun 13, 2014 19:39:16 GMT -5
You didn't ask me a question. You said: It's not just a one-sided thing, Top.It seemed like you were trying to relate what you had just posted back to our discussion over victim-hood. But you posted in this thread instead of in that thread. I wasn't active in this thread, so you ear-marking the post on sex-trafficking in my direction in this thread is ODD. I'm not clear on the point you're trying to make. It seems like to me the point you're trying to make is that you feel like there are genuine victims out there, people who are currently being abused, beaten, raped, etc. etc. I agree, all that bad and nasty stuff does happen and it needs to stop. What I've been talking about in terms of not perceiving and defining oneself as a victim, it is for when the victimization stops and the road to healing, recovery and moving on begins. In the case of these women being sex-slaves, they are in a bad situation because they don't have the physical strength to defend themselves against their aggressors and there is nobody around them to stick up for them and to prevent the abusers from abusing. -------------------------- But I'm going to draw a line, and its a line that you're probably not going to like. There is nobody in my life and in my local sphere of influence that is being sex-trafficked. It's not my responsibility to abandon my commitments to chase after the idea that there are people out there who are being trafficked. I don't doubt that if I went looking I would find them. But is it really MY responsibility to save them? Since you singled me out at the bottom of your post, what do you perceive as my responsibility towards the problem you are posting about? Look, I'll make it real simple real quick: Stop messing around at st.org and go do your paper. Given that it is Friday 7:30 pm my time, I'll take your admonition as a means of disengaging the discussion because its getting uncomfortable for you.
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Post by laughter on Jun 13, 2014 19:42:33 GMT -5
What?? How does that denigrate the imaginary children?? toro! toro! it's an internet myth! toro! toro! Well, if they are imaginary children, then you must be imaginary Laffy. .. it's just something you want to believe because the story makes you feel good. (toro! toro!)
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2014 19:46:13 GMT -5
Look, I'll make it real simple real quick: Stop messing around at st.org and go do your paper. Given that it is Friday 7:30 pm my time, I'll take your admonition as a means of disengaging the discussion because its getting uncomfortable for you. You wish!
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2014 19:48:12 GMT -5
Well, if they are imaginary children, then you must be imaginary Laffy. .. it's just something you want to believe because the story makes you feel good. (toro! toro!)
You're mistaken. There are plenty of stories that don't make me feel good that I believe. I really thought and I really believed you all (still do) that this philosophy could stand up to a modicum of reality...tsk tsk.
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Post by laughter on Jun 13, 2014 19:53:58 GMT -5
.. it's just something you want to believe because the story makes you feel good. (toro! toro!)
You're mistaken. There are plenty of stories that don't make me feel good that I believe. I really thought and I really believed you all (still do) that this philosophy could stand up to a modicum of reality...tsk tsk. That story is just a rumor, and likely has very little to do with reality, and the fact that you believe it because it makes you feel good has nothing to do with all the stories that you believe because sometimes you like to feel bad.
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2014 20:03:53 GMT -5
You're mistaken. There are plenty of stories that don't make me feel good that I believe. I really thought and I really believed you all (still do) that this philosophy could stand up to a modicum of reality...tsk tsk. That story is just a rumor, and likely has very little to do with reality, and the fact that you believe it because it makes you feel good has nothing to do with all the stories that you believe because sometimes you like to feel bad. Um, you're willing (willing!) to assume that I believe every last thing I post from the internet. Sure, I post it because it sounds good or interesting, but that doesn't mean I automatically believe it's true! How nice to have you around, the harbinger of truth, to set us all straight. You are a silly git. I don't necessarily want to feel either bad OR good.
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Post by topology on Jun 13, 2014 20:57:02 GMT -5
Given that it is Friday 7:30 pm my time, I'll take your admonition as a means of disengaging the discussion because its getting uncomfortable for you. You wish! Then explain why you earmarked that post with my forum name. What were you trying to tell me?
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Post by silver on Jun 13, 2014 21:01:47 GMT -5
You wish! Then explain why you earmarked that post with my forum name. What were you trying to tell me? We regulars hop all over the forum from one thread to the next without batting an eye. That was all I was doing, relating one conversation on one thread to another. Nothing mysterious about it, from what I can see. I'm not trying to tell you anything.
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Post by laughter on Jun 14, 2014 8:05:11 GMT -5
That story is just a rumor, and likely has very little to do with reality, and the fact that you believe it because it makes you feel good has nothing to do with all the stories that you believe because sometimes you like to feel bad. Um, you're willing (willing!) to assume that I believe every last thing I post from the internet. Sure, I post it because it sounds good or interesting, but that doesn't mean I automatically believe it's true! How nice to have you around, the harbinger of truth, to set us all straight. You are a silly git. I don't necessarily want to feel either bad OR good. Must you respond to everything in this dialog with yet another logical fallacy? Just because you might not believe everything you read, that you have believed several myths -- some negative, others positive -- is apparent just from reviewing the thread.
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Post by silver on Jun 14, 2014 8:11:51 GMT -5
Um, you're willing (willing!) to assume that I believe every last thing I post from the internet. Sure, I post it because it sounds good or interesting, but that doesn't mean I automatically believe it's true! How nice to have you around, the harbinger of truth, to set us all straight. You are a silly git. I don't necessarily want to feel either bad OR good. Must you respond to everything in this dialog with yet another logical fallacy? Just because you might not believe everything you read, that you have believed several myths -- some negative, others positive -- is apparent just from reviewing the thread. Well, if you must know, I was speaking tongue in cheek when I said you were the harbinger of truth...I don't think you have the truth about some of these stories and even expressed it and proved it may not have been the whole story, but there were important elements of truth. Why would you play down or discard the important bits as well as the made-up stuff? Doesn't the reasonably intelligent person take the parts that are important and true and discard the rest?
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