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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2014 20:00:29 GMT -5
Nothing within the dream can tell us anything objective, or anything 'prior to' the dream. It's ALL dream stuff. a.k.a.: mind cannot escape mind No more than a character in a movie can jump off the screen and join the audience. Mind IS the dream, the content of which may be about escaping from the dream.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 30, 2014 21:59:37 GMT -5
Greetings.. There's an interpretation of QM theory alternative to Copenhagen that's called "many worlds" and the upshot of it is that any quantum event that is possible does occur in some parallel Universe -- this is an attempt to salvage material realism. Here it becomes an amusing pun in that in your interpretation of the model applied to the experiment we have Schrodinger's world and the world of Schrodinger's cat ... but when the box top is lifted they are the same world. Well, including all other possible iterations, including those in which they are not the same world, right? Yeah, objectivity is no more, and the physicist is collecting unemployment. He can't become the subject of his own objectivity, which is the spiritual problem. That which I am can never be objectified. And so both the scientific and the spiritual explorations collapse into a little greasy spot when the questions simply cease to be asked, because they no longer make any sense. You objectify "That which" 'you think you are', every time you talk about it.. advaita collapses into when it is realized that Life has no need for its illusions and beliefs, when the attachment to the game of talking about beliefs is let go, advaita goes away, philosophical physics goes away, stories about what people believe go away.. when beliefs and stories are let go, what is left is Life happening to you, through you, as you.. and 'you' are the occasion of that happening.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2014 22:25:33 GMT -5
There's an interpretation of QM theory alternative to Copenhagen that's called "many worlds" and the upshot of it is that any quantum event that is possible does occur in some parallel Universe -- this is an attempt to salvage material realism. Here it becomes an amusing pun in that in your interpretation of the model applied to the experiment we have Schrodinger's world and the world of Schrodinger's cat ... but when the box top is lifted they are the same world. Well, including all other possible iterations, including those in which they are not the same world, right? My understanding is that the multiplicity of probability only holds prior to observation: "same world" means that Schrodinger observes the cat, the cat, if it's still alive, observes Schrodinger, and at that instant the question of whether or not the quantum event fired and broke the vial is answered "no" for both of them. Yeah, objectivity is no more, and the physicist is collecting unemployment. He can't become the subject of his own objectivity, which is the spiritual problem. That which I am can never be objectified. And so both the scientific and the spiritual explorations collapse into a little greasy spot when the questions simply cease to be asked, because they no longer make any sense. Greasy spots make peeps slip!
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2014 23:04:20 GMT -5
Greetings.. Well, including all other possible iterations, including those in which they are not the same world, right? Yeah, objectivity is no more, and the physicist is collecting unemployment. He can't become the subject of his own objectivity, which is the spiritual problem. That which I am can never be objectified. And so both the scientific and the spiritual explorations collapse into a little greasy spot when the questions simply cease to be asked, because they no longer make any sense. You objectify "That which" 'you think you are', every time you talk about it.. advaita collapses into when it is realized that Life has no need for its illusions and beliefs, when the attachment to the game of talking about beliefs is let go, advaita goes away, philosophical physics goes away, stories about what people believe go away.. when beliefs and stories are let go, what is left is Life happening to you, through you, as you.. and 'you' are the occasion of that happening.. Be well.. Ya know, the funny thing is, I never studied Advaita. I don't really know what it is, but I get the impression it knows me, and so I guess I honor that.
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2014 23:12:22 GMT -5
Well, including all other possible iterations, including those in which they are not the same world, right? My understanding is that the multiplicity of probability only holds prior to observation: "same world" means that Schrodinger observes the cat, the cat, if it's still alive, observes Schrodinger, and at that instant the question of whether or not the quantum event fired and broke the vial is answered "no" for both of them. Well, yeah, but that's only one outcome, one universe. Are you saying no other outcomes happened? Where did the parallel universes go? Yeah, objectivity is no more, and the physicist is collecting unemployment. He can't become the subject of his own objectivity, which is the spiritual problem. That which I am can never be objectified. And so both the scientific and the spiritual explorations collapse into a little greasy spot when the questions simply cease to be asked, because they no longer make any sense. Well, that's what the grease remover is for, I guess.
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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2014 23:21:31 GMT -5
My understanding is that the multiplicity of probability only holds prior to observation: "same world" means that Schrodinger observes the cat, the cat, if it's still alive, observes Schrodinger, and at that instant the question of whether or not the quantum event fired and broke the vial is answered "no" for both of them. Well, yeah, but that's only one outcome, one universe. Are you saying no other outcomes happened? Where did the parallel universes go? Yeah, objectivity is no more, and the physicist is collecting unemployment. He can't become the subject of his own objectivity, which is the spiritual problem. That which I am can never be objectified. And so both the scientific and the spiritual explorations collapse into a little greasy spot when the questions simply cease to be asked, because they no longer make any sense. Well, that's what the grease remover is for, I guess. The parallel universe idea is an alternative to Copenhagen -- my sense of it is that it preserves objective physical reality -- anything that can happen does happen, but I never looked into it all that deeply.
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Post by enigma on Jan 31, 2014 0:05:59 GMT -5
Well, yeah, but that's only one outcome, one universe. Are you saying no other outcomes happened? Where did the parallel universes go? Well, that's what the grease remover is for, I guess. The parallel universe idea is an alternative to Copenhagen -- my sense of it is that it preserves objective physical reality -- anything that can happen does happen, but I never looked into it all that deeply. That would be my sense of it. Now we're talking about the creative principle, which is unbounded. It ain't science, though, which IS bounded.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 31, 2014 6:15:09 GMT -5
Greetings.. Well, yeah, but that's only one outcome, one universe. Are you saying no other outcomes happened? Where did the parallel universes go? Well, that's what the grease remover is for, I guess. The parallel universe idea is an alternative to Copenhagen -- my sense of it is that it preserves objective physical reality -- anything that can happen does happen, but I never looked into it all that deeply. It is an "idea", a theory based on the understanding that between eternity and infinity even the worst odds of probability have equal opportunity for manifesting.. climate change is more than a 'theory'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 6:36:40 GMT -5
Yeah, objectivity is no more, and the physicist is collecting unemployment. He can't become the subject of his own objectivity, which is the spiritual problem. That which I am can never be objectified. And so both the scientific and the spiritual explorations collapse into a little greasy spot when the questions simply cease to be asked, because they no longer make any sense.Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2265/god-particle?page=10#ixzz2ryTmUHxTno once you accept subjectivity,it becomes a whole new ballgame who cares anyways if something is ´´true´´ ?? that is just ego hanging on its intellect to explain the inexplicable so , for me ,all is true, all is possible, and lo and behold...i experience stuff i never believed i could, like instant healing of an open wound or avalanches of LIGHT and JOY or tsunamis´s of LOVE 1974 Brahman This I made in 1974, after an invasion of light,joy and love.It was an immensly large Presence, i got the impression of an individual yet cosmic presence. a sound, BRAHMAN accompanied the experience it was like looking at a galaxy from all sides at the same time.
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2014 13:01:28 GMT -5
Yeah, objectivity is no more, and the physicist is collecting unemployment. He can't become the subject of his own objectivity, which is the spiritual problem. That which I am can never be objectified. And so both the scientific and the spiritual explorations collapse into a little greasy spot when the questions simply cease to be asked, because they no longer make any sense.Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2265/god-particle?page=10#ixzz2ryTmUHxTno once you accept subjectivity,it becomes a whole new ballgame who cares anyways if something is ´´true´´ ?? that is just ego hanging on its intellect to explain the inexplicable so , for me ,all is true, all is possible, and lo and behold...i experience stuff i never believed i could, like instant healing of an open wound I agree that all is possible, and that's why the questions about how things objectively work cease to be asked.
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Post by runstill on Feb 1, 2014 22:33:37 GMT -5
The video is 42 minutes long but very interesting, some of it's over my head, the stuff I did get made it worth while to watch the whole clip.
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