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Post by klaus on Jul 13, 2011 20:08:54 GMT -5
serving others is the height of selfishness, it absolutely benefits no one but the self. where does the idea of serving someone come from anyway? it's total nonsense. just act. So, we should just toss out karma yoga as a path? any path should be wiped out, paths are a hindrance. travel where there is no path, it will also save you the trouble of emptying your shoes of the pebbles littering the path.
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Post by heretic on Jul 13, 2011 20:40:47 GMT -5
So, we should just toss out karma yoga as a path? any path should be wiped out, paths are a hindrance. travel where there is no path, it will also save you the trouble of emptying your shoes of the pebbles littering the path. Well, I'm using path as a metaphor. But I don't happen to believe these words are a metaphor. "Whatever you do to the poorest people, you're doing to me." In a way, service to another person exists on two levels. It RISES OUT of dualism to come to Love. Karma yoga is a devotional practice of serving the Beloved. Mother Teresa once described it this way- "I only serve my Beloved in all His distressing disguises." I'm sure there were many in the slums of Calcutta who appreciated her "practice." I'm also sure as she went about her daily devotion of serving others, she merged a little more every day into the Oneness, and she had to realize, as a result, that there's no longer anyone to serve but yourself. Because there's only One. As we lose our sense of separation on any path- metaphorical or otherwise, the spontaneous generosity of the heart comes forth. Isn't that the "irrational wisdom" we're excavating along the way? Without it, the path will not become "pathless."
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Post by therealfake on Jul 13, 2011 20:48:44 GMT -5
Well, I'm using path as a metaphor. But I don't happen to believe these words are a metaphor. "Whatever you do to the poorest people, you're doing to me." In a way, service to another person exists on two levels. It RISES OUT of dualism to come to Love. Karma yoga is a devotional practice of serving the Beloved. Mother Teresa once described it this way- "I only serve my Beloved in all His distressing disguises." I'm sure there were many in the slums of Calcutta who appreciated her "practice." I'm also sure as she went about her daily devotion of serving others, she merged a little more every day into the Oneness, and she had to realize, as a result, that there's no longer anyone to serve but yourself. Because there's only One. As we lose our sense of separation on any path- metaphorical or otherwise, the spontaneous generosity of the heart comes forth. Isn't that the "irrational wisdom" we're excavating along the way? Without it, the path will not become "pathless." I felt your words and am prompted to say this... There are many paths for men/women to travel through life and yet the only path worth traveling, is the 'one with a heart'... I think you've found yours... Nameste
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Post by heretic on Jul 13, 2011 20:55:25 GMT -5
Well, I'm using path as a metaphor. But I don't happen to believe these words are a metaphor. "Whatever you do to the poorest people, you're doing to me." In a way, service to another person exists on two levels. It RISES OUT of dualism to come to Love. Karma yoga is a devotional practice of serving the Beloved. Mother Teresa once described it this way- "I only serve my Beloved in all His distressing disguises." I'm sure there were many in the slums of Calcutta who appreciated her "practice." I'm also sure as she went about her daily devotion of serving others, she merged a little more every day into the Oneness, and she had to realize, as a result, that there's no longer anyone to serve but yourself. Because there's only One. As we lose our sense of separation on any path- metaphorical or otherwise, the spontaneous generosity of the heart comes forth. Isn't that the "irrational wisdom" we're excavating along the way? Without it, the path will not become "pathless." I felt your words and am prompted to say this... There are many paths for men/women to travel through life and yet the only path worth traveling, is the 'one with a heart'... I think you've found yours... Nameste Hey bro! You know what? I sensed your presence while writing it. There are no well defined edges anywhere when writing from the heart. Nameste
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Post by klaus on Jul 13, 2011 21:17:02 GMT -5
whatever you do to people you're doing to me. let's take the 'poor' out of it.
you're trying to rationalize and justify 'service'. karma simply means 'to act'.
yes or no is the only question you have to answer.
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Post by heretic on Jul 13, 2011 21:58:00 GMT -5
whatever you do to people you're doing to me. let's take the 'poor' out of it. Let's not take the 'poor' out of it. That would be denial. I'm describing a woman who rolled up her sleeves and discovered more than she could ever imagine. Karma means- action. Love is the motivating force in creation. Whatever the question, love is the answer.
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Post by runstill on Jul 13, 2011 22:17:52 GMT -5
For selfishness you need a self And there isn't one .........
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Post by mamza on Jul 13, 2011 22:53:51 GMT -5
Klaus, let him spin. It's probably a lot of fun.
Whether I realize I'm doing something or not doesn't change the fact that I'm doing it. Until I take the time to look and see for myself, it doesn't matter how many people say how many things--I won't realize I'm doing it.
Edit: Although arguing has on several occasions stirred me up to the point where I look into things I normally wouldn't.
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Post by enigma on Jul 14, 2011 0:16:34 GMT -5
Nice to see you too, Jason. e Is this a calculated response? I'm asking because I would have responded in a more authentic manner. I know Jason from elsewhere. I think he followed my breadcrumbs here. He can be a bit crude, but he doesn't mean nuthin by it, and in case he does, I don't feel a need to write any stories about it.
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Post by enigma on Jul 14, 2011 0:19:30 GMT -5
serving others is the height of selfishness, it absolutely benefits no one but the self. where does the idea of serving someone come from anyway? it's total nonsense. just act. So, we should just toss out karma yoga as a path? Sure, that would be fine. Hehe.
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Post by jasonl on Jul 14, 2011 2:13:03 GMT -5
Followed your breadcrumbs?? I am your breadcrumb. Without me your ass would be out in some delusional circle jerk with snarky the squirrel and woodsey the owl where ever you hold those satsangs of yours, ha! Like an enlightenment roast or something, you arent there until youve had one, but who would wanna know about that. How to destroy selfishness. Ehm, how do you cultivate it is what id be asking, but ill save that for another day. Hope youre doing well enigs. Tell marie i said wazzup.
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Post by acewall on Jul 14, 2011 4:27:26 GMT -5
I think 'serving others'(karma yoga) served me well when i moved out of architecture and into nursing within a geriatric hospital, during a 2 year building-recession the country was having.
Not knowing anything about Nursing, i was thrown in at the deep end and learnt alot about my selfless-self by serving my patients needs...what i mean is that intuitively i gained knowledge very fast in relating to the sick. I seemed to be given the compassionate-energy and the intelligence to perform the job without first training, as most Male nurses did in those days. I was able to experience where compassion arose from within me, which is somewhere Other than where my ego was centred.
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Post by heretic on Jul 14, 2011 6:24:27 GMT -5
For selfishness you need a self And there isn't one ......... Nice to meet you, runstill.
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Post by heretic on Jul 14, 2011 6:45:22 GMT -5
Klaus, let him spin. It's probably a lot of fun. Oh dear! A discussion is taking place about the interdependence of the ocean and the clouds, and how they sustain the drop until it dissolves back into the ocean. I'm not an impenetrable optimist, but this does read like metanoia.
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Post by heretic on Jul 14, 2011 6:54:08 GMT -5
e Is this a calculated response? I'm asking because I would have responded in a more authentic manner. I know Jason from elsewhere. I think he followed my breadcrumbs here. He can be a bit crude, but he doesn't mean nuthin by it, and in case he does, I don't feel a need to write any stories about it. Yet, you wrote the story anyway. It kinda didn't read like a story about need, but I'm not the author. Is 'crude' some sort of double-speak for 'earthy?' Crumbs: I was sitting at the dining room table the other morning. Enjoying a piece of apple crumb cake. Savoring a glass of orange juice. Upon finishing I noticed a rather large crumb sitting on the table. So, I reached out and took the crumb between the forefingers and thumbs in each hand, and broke the crumb in half. It must have been a very deft application of touch. I didn't get two half-crumbs. I got two crumbs. Doesn't that violate some law of physics?
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