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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 8:43:34 GMT -5
separation. as in, there is no _____. however, just now, in deciding to type the remainder of this sentence, i am discerning a separation between the a and the s keys. and they are typed by these fingers which are separate from them. etc. However, the nondual buzzword separation refers to something more sublime. the concept of separation is merely a concept, the content of which has no material basis, no actuality, no existence beyond that of an idea. the spaces between these words are illusory, just as the space between your eyeballs and this computer monitor are, and the apparent separation between ‘you’ and ‘me’ and anything else.
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Post by therealfake on Mar 28, 2011 15:58:50 GMT -5
separation. as in, there is no _____. however, just now, in deciding to type the remainder of this sentence, i am discerning a separation between the a and the s keys. and they are typed by these fingers which are separate from them. etc. However, the nondual buzzword separation refers to something more sublime. the concept of separation is merely a concept, the content of which has no material basis, no actuality, no existence beyond that of an idea. the spaces between these words are illusory, just as the space between your eyeballs and this computer monitor are, and the apparent separation between ‘you’ and ‘me’ and anything else. If it is merely a concept, how has is it been able to affect the entire human race? The opposite of separation is wholeness, but that which is all encompassing cannot have an opposite. That which is all encompassing must also be the concept of spirit. We are' human beings', that which is totally conditioned and that which is the unconditioned spirit. These 2 separate worlds coexist as the painful human existence and the 'now'... Yet they are both experienced from the singularity known as the awareness... And we are that... |
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Post by johnny on Mar 29, 2011 13:11:00 GMT -5
maxdprophet,
separation is a concept. and...
not sure of your point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2011 14:04:34 GMT -5
maxdprophet, separation is a concept. and... not sure of your point. hi johnny, welcome! ... and whatever my point is is a concept too, riddled with separation. there are certain buzzwords in nondual land, a place in which my conceptual mind is new, and so i thought i'd start a little thread that lists some of them out. 'there is no separation' is a concept but it is also a concept pointing to something pivotal in this land. this, suchness, what is yabba dabba doo i yam what i yam and that's all that i yam |
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Post by therealfake on Mar 30, 2011 18:22:38 GMT -5
I can't remember the moment in time, when I realized that I was separate from the rest of the world? Or was it such a slow process that I didn't even know it had happened? And if I had noticed it, why didn't I resist it? Maybe I tried to resist but I looked around and saw that my parents and everyone else I knew, had already fallen under the spell? How could 'I' resist that which the whole world knows, that I am separate? So I reluctantly gave up wholeness and bliss to join the human race. And it's all been a grand illusion on a universal scale... LOL  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 30, 2011 20:40:55 GMT -5
Naw, you didn't reluctantly give up wholeness and bliss. You had no concept of either, and without the concepts there was nothing to give up and no basis for resistance. Some knowledge was added onto the innocence of not knowing, and this was the idea that you must be a separate person. It could not have occurred to you that this idea could be a problem.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 30, 2011 21:15:20 GMT -5
Yes, and Jesus reportedly discussed this phenomenon in the Gospel of Thomas. He said that its like a woman who was carrying a jar of meal on her head back home. The jar sprung a leak, and the meal spilled out on the road behind her, but the spilling was so gradual that she noticed nothing. When she got home, she set the jar down and discovered that it was empty. This is how we lose the kingdom of God on the way from childhood to adulthood. Our transition from attending the actual to attending products of imagination is so gradual that we don't realize what is happening. As adults, we have this vague sense that we lost something priceless on the way from childhood to adulthood, but we don;t know what it was. Those of us with a good memory remember a magical mysterious time when everything was new, fresh, alive, and intensely intimate. We don;t realize that we unconsciously exchanged our not-knowing communion with reality for an imaginary simulation of reality that is flat and lifeless.
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Post by enigma on Mar 30, 2011 22:33:04 GMT -5
Yes, and I would say we did this because it seemed like a good way to protect ourselves from the bad stuff; Going into the past and identifying the cause, then projecting scenarios into the future to predict and control outcome. Eventually, we find ourselves living life in this mental pseudo-reality of memory and projection. Ultimately, this fake reality seems to be the only reality even though it's entirely conceptual.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 8:40:28 GMT -5
not sure what thread to put this in so here it goes...
here’s the thing
1. there’s autopilot -- just doing stuff, this includes simultaneous daydreaming as well as thinking about ‘past’ and projecting into ‘future.’ Most of the time is spent here in #1.
2. then there’s sort of a mindful/conscious remembering -- “wow, haven’t checked in for a while, what sensory stuff is happening?, what are the subtle sensations going on right now?" ...sensory stuff sensed..."....now i’m being mindful, right?....is this attending the actual or what?” sort of awash in sensory stimulation with overlays or intrusions of thought. eventually drifts back to #1 above, but am not aware of when this happens, obviously.
3. sometimes there’s a more deliberate sit or walk-- akin to meditation or attending the actual -- actually something on the to-do list that ‘gets done.’ but the mind space is not much different than the dynamic between 1 and 2 above. starts 2, drifts to 1, then back to 2....
4. sleep. actual sleep. when drifting into sleep, the mind becomes unhinged and seems to go from daydreaming into unconscious land. the loose daydreaming to dreaming is sometimes remembered. Also lucid dreaming does happen, particularly noticed during dying dreams -- for example, falling off a cliff with all that panic and thinking “gonna, die now, what’s this going to be like?” and then the dream transforms into something pretty fun, perhaps including flying.
why the heck am i typing this? what do i seek to gain? just posting this up on ST thinking that it might help someone else. anyone out there in the same boat? perhaps someone coming from a more enlightened space will offer some helpful feedback? what do i want??
the reason i started typing this is because #2 above seems to be both conscious and also just another example of being unconscious. that’s the new realization. The particular flavor when abiding in sensory experience includes a lot of self-conscious thought. “is this it? am i being mindful now? am i attending the actual? who am i? who is asking these questions? …” then back to the sensations. the new realization appears as “oh now being conscious of being conscious...” or something like that.
okay kidstuff. whatev.
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