2p0p
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Post by 2p0p on Mar 16, 2011 14:15:59 GMT -5
Karen wrote..."Why is it that subjectivity disqualifies truth? Is there a truth organ in the body that blinks when near truth?"
Everything that i write to do with spiritual matters on this forum is subjective...subjectivity doesn't disqualify truth-for the subject in this case -me; but if i present my subjective truth/understanding/experience/realization etc. to you as actual general truth for all ,then i am presuming way too much...i am then speaking arrogantly and dangerous in the sense of misleading you...i can only speak from and for my own life; if i try to push it further then i am only promoting my own position/cult/religion (for whatever egoistic reasons).I have done and occasionally still do this myself enough to recognize it.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 16, 2011 14:39:36 GMT -5
Good post.. For sure when dealing with non duality/neo-advaita One size Does Not fit ALL!
Michael
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Post by karen on Mar 16, 2011 21:01:34 GMT -5
Karen wrote..."Why is it that subjectivity disqualifies truth? Is there a truth organ in the body that blinks when near truth?" Everything that i write to do with spiritual matters on this forum is subjective...subjectivity doesn't disqualify truth-for the subject in this case -me; but if i present my subjective truth/understanding/experience/realization etc. to you as actual general truth for all ,then i am presuming way too much...i am then speaking arrogantly and dangerous in the sense of misleading you...i can only speak from and for my own life; if i try to push it further then i am only promoting my own position/cult/religion (for whatever egoistic reasons).I have done and occasionally still do this myself enough to recognize it. Look, It's definitely good in my book to remember that something proven subjectively is not provable to others via objective means. Makes sense for sure! But just because something isn't provable objectively, doesn't mean it isn't true for all. (why would that follow?) It just means that it's only provable subjectively such that anyone who bothers to look diligently enough - they might prove it to themselves, and someone who's waiting for objective proof for subjective realization is in for a long wait. If someone tells me that the universe is alive - "look for yourself" I look. It's totally awesome and cool to not bother to look. My boyfriend has zilch interest in this stuff, so we don't talk about it. This is a non-duality forum - thus the talking 'bout truth. Yeah, it's not rocket science.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 16, 2011 21:12:29 GMT -5
Hmm Karen I prefer your one liners those I understand however the post you just wrote I have no idea what your trying to say. But that's fine also I don't need to think about it.
Michael
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Post by karen on Mar 16, 2011 21:32:44 GMT -5
How about this? Yeah, it's not rocket science.
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Post by michaelsees on Mar 16, 2011 21:57:56 GMT -5
How about this? Yeah, it's not rocket science. That's the Karen I know yeah!
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Post by enigma on Mar 17, 2011 1:15:16 GMT -5
I feel this very energy everyday. I had a 'Kundalini awakening' 7 years ago. I still live with this river of fire flowing through my body continuously. I'm intimately familiar with it. However, what I've said about 'spiritual experiences' applies to this also. It's mind's nature to get stuck in an endless series of cul-de-sacs. Mooji on Kundalini: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiz6CayQGlU
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Post by teknix on Mar 17, 2011 2:30:11 GMT -5
1st You bought that BS? The fact that you think its BS is proof enough for me, that you don't know what you are talking about. I know it won't be proof enough for others so I take the round-about way, which I believe you were explaining how you know all that you said and that I quoted you on in the posts above. Then: I feel this very energy everyday. I had a 'Kundalini awakening' 7 years ago. I still live with this river of fire flowing through my body continuously. I'm intimately familiar with it. However, what I've said about 'spiritual experiences' applies to this also. It's mind's nature to get stuck in an endless series of cul-de-sacs. Your not fooling anyone but yourself E.
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Post by 2p0p on Mar 17, 2011 2:30:00 GMT -5
Karen wrote..."This is a non-duality forum - thus the talking 'bout truth." Ok...could someone confirm to me that this is a non-dual forum only ?...i thought it was about spirituality...i have wondered though, if it was non-dual only ...i'm now feeling a bit like i've wandered into a closed brethren type meeting ?. karen...i wasn't at all suggesting that no subjective realizations could be true for all...i was saying i can't presume my insights to be true for all. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=misc&action=display&thread=1321&page=28#ixzz1Gq3ngJvl
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Post by teknix on Mar 17, 2011 2:31:09 GMT -5
I think you forgot to answer some question E.
Yesterday at 11:44pm, teknix wrote: You both say that our awareness encompasses all of existence, as the one and only.
Yesterday at 11:56pm, enigma wrote: Well, that's pretty standard nonduality stuff. He has a habit of saying "huh" every few seconds and i found myself waiting for the next one and not really listening to anything else.
What makes u think it is standard?
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Post by teknix on Mar 17, 2011 2:32:59 GMT -5
E. said: "Yup, yer right. Mind tries to conclude and figure out and make a personal experience out of it all so that it knows how to keep it, and suddenly it's gone." Then how do you bring your oneness experience back with you and attempt to explain it as all existence, which clearly wouldn't fit inside your head. I've never had a oneness experience. I saw through experience pretty early on so none of that mind state stuff was useful or grasped. ;;;;;Tap, Tap, Tap......Is this thing on??;;;;;;
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Post by teknix on Mar 17, 2011 2:35:24 GMT -5
Therefore I must think that what you believe is somewhat based of what buddha had said and has most likely been misinterpreted, accepted, misintrepreted somemore, accepted again, and what we are left with is a pile of misinformation. With little value or truth to anyone. C'mon E. I'm sure you have read this somewhere before you formed your conclusion of what you experienced.
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Post by teknix on Mar 17, 2011 2:37:30 GMT -5
Enigma, All your doing is putting on a kaliedoscopic lens and marvelling at the illusion that you created for yourself.
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Post by enigma on Mar 17, 2011 10:28:24 GMT -5
1st The fact that you think its BS is proof enough for me, that you don't know what you are talking about. I know it won't be proof enough for others so I take the round-about way, which I believe you were explaining how you know all that you said and that I quoted you on in the posts above. Then: I had a 'Kundalini awakening' 7 years ago. I still live with this river of fire flowing through my body continuously. I'm intimately familiar with it. However, what I've said about 'spiritual experiences' applies to this also. It's mind's nature to get stuck in an endless series of cul-de-sacs. Your not fooling anyone but yourself E. [/quote] It's BS to say: So yes now you know the real reasons why we have experiences it's to build a container to hold the energy of what's coming next.
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Post by enigma on Mar 17, 2011 10:31:12 GMT -5
I think you forgot to answer some question E. Yesterday at 11:44pm, teknix wrote: You both say that our awareness encompasses all of existence, as the one and only. Yesterday at 11:56pm, enigma wrote: Well, that's pretty standard nonduality stuff. He has a habit of saying "huh" every few seconds and i found myself waiting for the next one and not really listening to anything else. What makes u think it is standard? Oh, no, I didn't forget.
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