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Post by frankshank on Feb 26, 2011 8:56:06 GMT -5
There's a reason why ZD walks to the fridge to grab some food (mostly its wine though lol) - if he didn't the body would die. It rains for a reason. Surely!
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Post by Portto on Feb 26, 2011 9:28:25 GMT -5
When the body/mind walks to the fridge for food is that a mystery? Is the body/mind not motivated by hunger? Some bodies are motivated by taste ;D Joking aside, saying that one thing is the reason for another thing is just isolating a small fraction of the universe and considering it independent - while it is not... E.g. Why does a seed grow into a plant? Was it motivated by rain? Because the soil was fertile? Because the seed was programmed to do so? Because the seed ended up in that particular spot? Because another plant produced that seed? etc... There's never one particular motivation as opposed to no other motivation. The apparent events are inseparable.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 26, 2011 10:05:25 GMT -5
If guns were legal in the UK I'd probably have shot myself in the head by now. LOL.
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 26, 2011 10:58:39 GMT -5
Hey just stepping in for the moment. Frank brings up a good question here. First ZD and Enigma know very well why they do things. However they are speaking like they don't know. It's BS really look ZD and Enigma may have had a awakening experience, they may have embodied the truth and seen what it is however they still go around and act in the world the same as before. If ZD goes for his second glass of wine he knows what he's doing he wants a second cup of wine and is motivated to do so. If ZD goes to work and gets a call on his cell on the way to work about a problem they are having on his job site and he needs to pick up some part at the hardware store before he arrives at the site what do you think happens. You really think ZD just sits there and see what happens next? He is motivated by the phone call from one of the workers to go get a part at a hardware store. Enigma runs 2 1/2 business and he's involved in them if a problem comes up he attends to it. It amazes me how on this site that some members love to spiritualize something to death making it sound like they do nothing with a problem comes up or whatever. Being awake does not mean you stop working with your relative self. You use your brain just as before with only one difference "have seen" what the truth is, the truth that has been right there with you for your whole life. You have embodied this truth not just intellectualize it so now you know who you are, you still do not know what you are but you do know what you see when you open your eyes is all you. But please this stupid idea of just being to see what happens next in a way may be true but you still chop wood and carry water and on the way if a animal trips you up with you have the water bucket you may fall down and then know you have to go get more water. ZD drinks wine because he like's wine, he is motivated to have a second maybe even a 3rd glass if it's a good vintage no problem with that but ZD does not sit around at the dinner table when he wants wine and waits to see what shows up he just get's the wine or his wife does.
The reason why I am responding to this is because all this BS about this subject will only hinder the seeker and not help. In his book after 13 years ZD shares with you the experience of when he finally embodied the truth just by looking around the room he was in. It's no big deal but this in itself is not imo the end of awakening it's only a glimpse such as Enigma also have had just glimpse. There are very few people on this earth that are fully awaken again my opinion. Those that are fully awaken not only know who they are they know what they are. The difference between knowing who I am to what I am is like first grade in school to a Phd.
So folks I need to go for now. Please do not get into a rut with these types of discussion. Motivation yes of course there is motivation here no matter how some of the posters may like to think it's not. Being awake on a 1st grade basis is only the beginning step to fully awakening.
So go head with your comments if you are so "motivated' by this post you will only prove what I have said here. That my post has motivated you ha ha ha
Be well peace to all Michael
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Post by angela on Feb 26, 2011 11:39:46 GMT -5
michael!! every time you go away, you take a piece of me with you!! ((enjoy your saturday!!))
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Post by frankshank on Feb 26, 2011 11:57:40 GMT -5
Swinging from nutsack to nutsack again angela lol! Yeah, Michael is a good sort, and his opinions, whilst contrary at times, are welcome (especially if he agrees with me)!
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Post by eputkonen on Feb 26, 2011 12:32:49 GMT -5
It rains for a reason. Surely! Really? Are you talking about a reason or motivation? Those are two different things.
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2011 12:39:39 GMT -5
If guns were legal in the UK I'd probably have shot myself in the head by now. LOL. But they aren't and you didn't, because the universe didn't unfold that way in spite of your motivation. Nobody is saying the body goes to the fridge for no discernible reason and it's a wacky mystery why that happens. We're saying motivation happens the way rain happens, the way gravity happens. It's part of what's happening and not the cause of anything. The thought/desire to go to the fridge happens, and going to the fridge happens. They are both happenings and one is not the cause of the other. If you were watching a movie of a guy going to the fridge, you wouldn't say the action happened because the character on the screen was motivated by hunger. You would see all of it, including the apparent, assumed motivation of the screen character, as an unbroken unfolding of a boring B-movie in which nothing on the screen causes anything else to happen on the screen.
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Post by Portto on Feb 26, 2011 17:08:21 GMT -5
Whichever words you choose to use there is a reason why the body walks to the fridge. We can find thousands of reasons. CHALLENGE FOR THE FORUM Can you, or anyone else, give an example where a thing causes directly another thing? That is, "A" causes "B" and there's nothing else between "A" and "B." No intermediary. From my experience, the mind can always come up with an infinitely divisible chain of events. We can always find something in between. Saying that one event causes another is just picking two events 'at random.'
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Post by jenpa on Feb 26, 2011 18:38:57 GMT -5
(in my case I call it "play") - Z.
That's it; which reminds me of my understanding of something my mother once said to me when I was a child: My mother played the piano very well by ear, and when I was around five years old, I heard her playing the most beautiful piece of music. I remember running into the room and asking her the name of it, and she told me that it didn't have a name, that it was just something she made up. I understood at that very moment how songs are made: You just make them up. Its "play".
I'm a musician myself now, and I've created my livelihood by just making up songs. But, I didn't play music because I was motivated to have a career in music. Its just what I do. It has always been simply "Play."
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Post by mamza on Feb 26, 2011 19:25:47 GMT -5
Music is incredible to play with! Even if you just slap things and use rubber chickens to play the guitar or a drumstick on the bass....just random stupid things make it so much fun!
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2011 20:58:11 GMT -5
Whichever words you choose to use there is a reason why the body walks to the fridge. We can find thousands of reasons. CHALLENGE FOR THE FORUM Can you, or anyone else, give an example where a thing causes directly another thing? That is, "A" causes "B" and there's nothing else between "A" and "B." No intermediary. From my experience, the mind can always come up with an infinitely divisible chain of events. We can always find something in between. Saying that one event causes another is just picking two events 'at random.' Rather than A causes B, consciousness causes A and consciousness causes B.
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2011 21:00:36 GMT -5
Music is incredible to play with! Even if you just slap things and use rubber chickens to play the guitar or a drumstick on the bass....just random stupid things make it so much fun! You play guitar with a rubber chicken??
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Post by mamza on Feb 26, 2011 23:32:43 GMT -5
Music is incredible to play with! Even if you just slap things and use rubber chickens to play the guitar or a drumstick on the bass....just random stupid things make it so much fun! You play guitar with a rubber chicken?? You can play anything with anything! It might not sound good to most folks.... but who cares what most folks think? I can't, though.... just the bass. The idea is really to just come up with some wonky sounds, and the sound of a rubber chicken pick is a lot different than a standard one.
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Post by enigma on Feb 27, 2011 0:36:46 GMT -5
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