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Post by frankshank on Feb 25, 2011 19:35:17 GMT -5
Strange subject title considering no-one is doing anything. The fact is ZD has a business & enigma, at the last count, has 4. Why? Why does the body/mind do anything when the emptiness is seen through? Apologies if it's a stupid question (once again) but I don't get it. Where's the motivation? ZD & enigmas comments are reflections of awareness but the body/mind has motivation surely.
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Post by zendancer on Feb 25, 2011 19:45:26 GMT -5
E. can give you his take on this, but from my perspective whatever can be distinguished as motivation is nothing other than the spontaneous manifestation of being. The body/mind is like a puppet on a string being danced by God. One might as well ask about the motivation of galaxies colliding in the emptiness of space.
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Post by therealfake on Feb 25, 2011 20:15:58 GMT -5
Good question...
If one looks at motivation, isn't it just another thought?
Why is it Maharshi sat on a mountain, whilst other peeps write spiritual books for profit?
Very good question.
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Post by mamza on Feb 25, 2011 20:46:24 GMT -5
I see 'motivation' as just another way of asking 'but WHY does it ____ this way when ____.' Why does a liquid spill when the container it's in is knocked over? There are many logical and even more illogical reasons you can come up with, but none of the reasons why really matter. I don't mean this in a condescending way, but let me ask you: why are you interested in truth at all? I could come up with dozens of reasons why the search for truth is taking place on this end, but all of those reasons have to do with I. When I disappear, so do my questions about why. (Not that I was ever there to begin with, but I ain't gonna preach on something that hasn't been seen directly.)
Things just happen. The seemingly pointless nature of things happening doesn't really have a whole lot to do with what is actually happening, or the happening of it.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 25, 2011 20:49:09 GMT -5
ZD: God is a key theme for you and I think that's based on your upbringing. I don't believe there is a god. There's nothing to suggest that there is. If god is everything then there's no-one pulling the strings!
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Post by enigma on Feb 25, 2011 22:03:22 GMT -5
This wacky body sat in the garden for 5 years and did nothing, didn't see or talk to a human for weeks at a time. Now it runs 2 1/2 business (count update). Why? I have no idea, and I have no idea what will happen next, and actually neither do you.
What we call motivation is not actually the cause of getting out of bed in the morning. Like many things, motivation is an overlay that's a lot more about explaining what happens than it is the cause of what happens. From a mind identified perspective, it's natural to assume 'I do this because I decide to, because I'm motivated to, but the deciding is an afterthought designed to maintain the illusion of control. Remove the illusion of control and what happens? ......Same silly stuff that happened before, of course.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 25, 2011 22:12:21 GMT -5
E: You and ZD travel to the same workplace each day. The mind may create a story but the body still travels to the same place. Why?
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Post by zendancer on Feb 25, 2011 22:49:17 GMT -5
ZD: God is a key theme for you and I think that's based on your upbringing. I don't believe there is a god. There's nothing to suggest that there is. If god is everything then there's no-one pulling the strings! This has to be the funniest thing I've read tonight! I almost never use the term "God" except on this forum. Forget I ever used the word; it is just one of a thousand ways of pointing to the same thing, and is probably one of the poorest ways because it generates all kinds of crazy ideas. Tolle once said something like, "We ought to use the word "Infinite" or "Absolute" instead of "God" because those words wouldn't lead someone to think, "MY Infinite is true whereas YOUR Infinite is false." LOL. The Infinite is the Infinite. The puppet analogy, too, is just another finger pointing at the moon. First, experience the Infinite; then you can decide what kind of words you want to use to point to it. I can assure you that no words are remotely adequate.
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Post by zendancer on Feb 25, 2011 23:10:57 GMT -5
E: You and ZD travel to the same workplace each day. The mind may create a story but the body still travels to the same place. Why? Ha ha ha ha ha ha! This post is even funnier than your last post. Why does this body go to work? Hmmmmmmmm. I have no earthly idea. I just watch what happens, and going to work (in my case I call it "play") is what usually happens. Why? That question and all possible answers blew away on the wind years ago. A guy goes on a date with a gal. Afterwards, someone asks him how it went. He says, "Oh, she was a real beauty queen, had an IQ of 160, was fabulously rich, was incredibly educated, and liked most of the things I like.....but I didn't feel any attraction at all." Later, the guy goes on a date with another gal and gets asked the same question. He says, "Well, she wasn't the most beautiful girl I've ever seen, and she had a wacky sense of humor, and we didn't have that much in common, but I'm totally head-over-heels in love with her." His friend asks, "How is that possible?" The guy responds, "I haven't got a clue." Its all a big mystery. Isn't that fantastic?
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2011 0:46:58 GMT -5
E: You and ZD travel to the same workplace each day. The mind may create a story but the body still travels to the same place. Why? It seems to be motivated to do that. Hehe.
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Post by enigma on Feb 26, 2011 0:51:04 GMT -5
"The puppet analogy, too, is just another finger pointing at the moon."
I say we're God's finger puppets. Hehe.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 26, 2011 5:14:06 GMT -5
I clearly need to start up a non duality comedy night. I can't think of anything weirder than being aware of the body doing things for no apparent reason everyday. When the body/mind walks to the fridge for food is that a mystery? Is the body/mind not motivated by hunger?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2011 6:56:07 GMT -5
that's why zd brought up the galaxies colliding in the emptiness of space. what is gravity? the attractive force between heavenly bodies. that's a 'law' but really it's just an idea. hunger is more like a force in this sense, propelling your heavenly body to the fridge. motivation implies something that needs to be moved. a doer, a chooser, etc.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 26, 2011 7:09:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure motivation does require a doer. Whichever words you choose to use there is a reason why the body walks to the fridge.
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Post by eputkonen on Feb 26, 2011 8:43:00 GMT -5
Strange subject title considering no-one is doing anything. The fact is ZD has a business & enigma, at the last count, has 4. Why? Why does the body/mind do anything when the emptiness is seen through? Apologies if it's a stupid question (once again) but I don't get it. Where's the motivation? ZD & enigmas comments are reflections of awareness but the body/mind has motivation surely. No motivation is required for things to happen. No-one is doing anything, but yet it rains. It rains, but there is no motivation for something (clouds, sky, etc.) to rain. It is nature at work...like rain falling. What is the rain's motivation?
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