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Post by lovenhope on Feb 19, 2011 4:12:24 GMT -5
my fellow spirit brothers and sisters, can somebody please explain to me what exactly is the purpose of this forum?
i am very spiritual, and seek like minded friends.....but it seems to me that most of what is being said is not friendly at all.... we must,nt belittle eachother with glib remarks just because we have different takes on things.... after all we all have different journeys to undertake, but were headed to the same destination....cant we be traveling buddies.... i truly hope so.....
posted with love an hope.... dave
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Post by sherry on Feb 19, 2011 4:58:05 GMT -5
Greetings and welcome dave
You've posed an excellent question and one which has been much looked-at in the 'is posting for fun? thread....
lots of comments and perspectives about it .... perhaps that's enough and all there ever is anyway....
the apparently not-so-friendly remarks you've pointed out are surely here in multiple places..... who knows why or what it's all about? ! ? it does serve as a good mirror though.
wishing you well.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 19, 2011 5:40:42 GMT -5
Lively debate and banter is what Id call it. Theres nothing really terrible going on; its a soap opera!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2011 8:47:34 GMT -5
my fellow spirit brothers and sisters, can somebody please explain to me what exactly is the purpose of this forum? i am very spiritual, and seek like minded friends.....but it seems to me that most of what is being said is not friendly at all.... we must,nt belittle eachother with glib remarks just because we have different takes on things.... after all we all have different journeys to undertake, but were headed to the same destination....cant we be traveling buddies.... i truly hope so..... posted with love an hope.... dave hi and welcome dave! i understand your confusion. oftentimes the best buddies are the ones that can be blunt. this is all just text ...in the end we make of it what we do. in other words, pain sparked by text can be useful for the one who is reading and experiencing that pain. a lot of the barbs you see are friendly and loving attempts to help one be vulnerable. in that vulnerability one can hopefully see in themselves as a reader how and the reaction is happening. i'm conjecturing, but most who read here are looking within themselves to see how they react. the love can be read between the lines. enjoy (or don't :-)) |
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2011 12:52:06 GMT -5
Max: It's a good attitude and a very effective approach, as I see it. The process of unconsciouness becoming conscious is seriously problematic since it's mostly done unconsciously. HA!
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Post by Peter on Feb 19, 2011 16:37:27 GMT -5
my fellow spirit brothers and sisters, can somebody please explain to me what exactly is the purpose of this forum? Well it's a bit like life really. In a microcosm. Some people get help, other people get to help. Both benefit. Sometimes people have expectations (or fixed ideas) about what form that help should take, and then it all kicks off a bit. i am very spiritual, and seek like minded friends.....but it seems to me that most of what is being said is not friendly at all What does "very spiritual" mean? It sounds like you're holding on to a very clear idea of what is and isn't spiritual. A few months ago this board went through some...stuff...where we got to consider that free expression (including swearing) might be more "True" than restraining that impulse and "being nice". Anyway, I think there's still some influence from that being felt. we must,nt belittle eachother with glib remarks just because we have different takes on things.... after all we all have different journeys to undertake, but were headed to the same destination....cant we be traveling buddies.... i truly hope so.....
Dave, do you see here that you're attempting to change other people's behaviour to suit your own view of "how it should be"? For me this question of what we accept and what we seek to change is the largest part of the spiritual life. Or "life" actually, because it's all spiritual as far as I'm concerned. People who seek to change others are wasting their time, but also people who say "It's all good" are also wrong - if you came across a mugging, I hope you'd step in to stop it, right? At this point, all I could think about was a scene from Life of Brian which I shall leave you with: --------
Brian Brothers, brothers. We should be struggling together.
PFJHead We are!
Brian We musn't fight each other. Surely we should be united against the common enemy.
All The Judean People's front!!!
Brian No. No. The Romans!
All Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.
Someone Yeah. He's right.
--------[Two Roman guards approach slowly.]
Other1 Look out!
CFGHead Right. Where were we?
PFJHead Uh. You were going to punch me.
CFGHead Oh yeah.
--------[The fight breaks out again. More Roman guards approach to find all members of both groups except Brian basically kill each other. They walk up to the surprised Brian, and all goes black...]
Brian Brothers!!! Oof!
Just my take on the matter, no merit implied.
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Post by ivory on Feb 20, 2011 13:36:45 GMT -5
my fellow spirit brothers and sisters, can somebody please explain to me what exactly is the purpose of this forum? i am very spiritual, and seek like minded friends.....but it seems to me that most of what is being said is not friendly at all.... we must,nt belittle eachother with glib remarks just because we have different takes on things.... after all we all have different journeys to undertake, but were headed to the same destination....cant we be traveling buddies.... i truly hope so..... posted with love an hope.... dave hi and welcome dave! i understand your confusion. oftentimes the best buddies are the ones that can be blunt. this is all just text ...in the end we make of it what we do. in other words, pain sparked by text can be useful for the one who is reading and experiencing that pain. a lot of the barbs you see are friendly and loving attempts to help one be vulnerable. in that vulnerability one can hopefully see in themselves as a reader how and the reaction is happening. i'm conjecturing, but most who read here are looking within themselves to see how they react. the love can be read between the lines. enjoy (or don't :-)) I was just thinking yesterday that I wish people on this forum would call me on my sh*t. So by all means, please do. |
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Post by therealfake on Feb 20, 2011 13:56:43 GMT -5
my fellow spirit brothers and sisters, can somebody please explain to me what exactly is the purpose of this forum? i am very spiritual, and seek like minded friends.....but it seems to me that most of what is being said is not friendly at all.... we must,nt belittle eachother with glib remarks just because we have different takes on things.... after all we all have different journeys to undertake, but were headed to the same destination....cant we be traveling buddies.... i truly hope so..... posted with love an hope.... dave Hi Dave, This forum can be a battleground for sure. If your not open minded, or even if you are, your thoughts and beliefs will be tested. You'll find personalities here, that are as light as the mist and others that are as solid as rocks. In this forum you'll find confirmation of your thoughts and beliefs as well thoughts that are diametrically opposed to yours. You'll find information as well as disinformation, some facts, but mostly opinions. Don't take anything personally in here, it's the only advice I can give you. I have found it quite civil in here, except for some of my own antics, brought about by controlled folly, which I do apologize for. Other than that, enjoy.  |
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Post by lovenhope on Feb 20, 2011 20:41:17 GMT -5
greetings brothers and sisters...thank you for your input...i understand things a little better.
i feel the need to say im only 33 and have only been on my journey of descovery around 3 years, i am not a spiritual master of any kind i just care about where we are all headed.
and i do not have a fixed idea of what is spiritual and what is not, i am very open minded on the subject, but i do have a strong conviction that love is the vehicle that takes us to our ultimate destiny,s for me thats peace harmony and a better way of living for us all and mother earth....
yes peter i can see how that wording seems like im trying to change peoples behavior and maybe i am.... but really i just want to be of service to people and creator!...
ps im sorry im not great on computers but im learning :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 21:05:10 GMT -5
greetings brothers and sisters...thank you for your input...i understand things a little better. i feel the need to say im only 33 and have only been on my journey of descovery around 3 years, i am not a spiritual master of any kind i just care about where we are all headed. and i do not have a fixed idea of what is spiritual and what is not, i am very open minded on the subject, but i do have a strong conviction that love is the vehicle that takes us to our ultimate destiny,s for me thats peace harmony and a better way of living for us all and mother earth.... yes peter i can see how that wording seems like im trying to change peoples behavior and maybe i am.... but really i just want to be of service to people and creator!... ps im sorry im not great on computers but im learning :-) hi dave, it doesn't matter how old you are or how many years you've been on the road. it doesn't matter. so one thing that has helped me was to question everything, especially any belief you may have. the biggie is a belief that you are a separate individual. that you exist in some way as the driver of dave's life. that you are in some way controlling your experience. here's a method that has been working with some folks: consider this statement: there is no you. just sit with that for a moment. Look at your experience as it happens. is there a you? one thing to keep in mind is that we have a problem with language. when i use "i" and "you" and "we" and most other words they are just sort of clunky tools we have to work with. are you familiar with the first line of the tao te ching? it's a good one. anyway, there is no you. focus and look and consider that. you can pm me if you want to do it in a more private way (pm = private message.) and there are other places to do this kind of inquiry as well. just ask. max |
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Post by lovenhope on Feb 20, 2011 21:57:33 GMT -5
Hi Max
i get you completely i don,t believe there is a Dave who is separate from everyone else i believe we are all spirit beings and there is no separation from each-other or from Creator but i feel i should be doing more!
what would your advise be on how i can live more in my heart and not let things affect me so much, because at the moment a many things affect me negatively.
i,m trying to just let things be as they are but it is very difficult for me because most of what affects me is family related i.e Mam and Dad ALWAYS arguing etc.
i know i should just focus on my own journey because that does does give them comfort.
But if i try to be honest or intervene it rarely works.
i would appreciate any and all advise!
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Post by ivory on Feb 21, 2011 0:31:20 GMT -5
I don't want to interfere too much with your own process, but I'd highly suggest checking out Jed mckenna to dispel any misconceptions you may have about spirituality, non-duality, enlightenment. This forum is primarily about truth, Jed mckenna will give u a good idea what this is about. You said, "i know i should just focus on my own journey because that does does give them comfort." and "but if i try to be honest or intervene it rarely works." If you don't want things to affect you so much, sounds to me like you already know what to do and not to do Byron Katie is an excellent resource for precisely this. I'd recommend checking out the free materials on her website (the work). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2011 6:45:43 GMT -5
I don't want to interfere too much with your own process, but I'd highly suggest checking out Jed mckenna to dispel any misconceptions you may have about spirituality, non-duality, enlightenment. This forum is primarily about truth, Jed mckenna will give u a good idea what this is about. You said, "i know i should just focus on my own journey because that does does give them comfort." and "but if i try to be honest or intervene it rarely works." If you don't want things to affect you so much, sounds to me like you already know what to do and not to do Byron Katie is an excellent resource for precisely this. I'd recommend checking out the free materials on her website (the work). great advice! |
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Post by stepvhen on Feb 21, 2011 6:53:55 GMT -5
I don't want to interfere too much with your own process, but I'd highly suggest checking out Jed mckenna to dispel any misconceptions you may have about spirituality, non-duality, enlightenment. This forum is primarily about truth, Jed mckenna will give u a good idea what this is about. You said, "i know i should just focus on my own journey because that does does give them comfort." and "but if i try to be honest or intervene it rarely works." If you don't want things to affect you so much, sounds to me like you already know what to do and not to do Byron Katie is an excellent resource for precisely this. I'd recommend checking out the free materials on her website (the work). great advice! lol |
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Post by karen on Feb 22, 2011 12:59:47 GMT -5
UG (as well as Richard Dawkins) was very helpful in removing spiritual beliefs for me. It was crazy the nonsense I believed.
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