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Post by michaelsees on Feb 10, 2011 18:04:34 GMT -5
Interesting I think the guy is quite serious.. Michael Hi.Well i saw threads on "recovering NOWists" and all that and i'm just wondering if it's possible to recover from nondualism, ie. to feel like a separate self again, with body and mind in time, a little me (if anyone knows what i mean) and all that. The reason i ask is because a lot of areas of life, in my case, being a student require a "little me" and a sense of time, ie. being in time and a mind in time i.e. i have to do this, that etc which is largely absent in nondualism. It's just that with this state i feel it's quite tedious annoying getting things done i.e. studying, it takes much longer for me for some reason to read articles, study etc, like your mind isn't totally focused for some reason (and maybe less intelectually inclined) and there's nothing really pushing you anyway to do anything. Like it's just always "now" and time has lost all meaning ie you don't feel like you're in time so it's hard to budget it etc. Is there a way undo all this or no? I read eckhart's the power of now. Taken from Rick Ross site forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,97602,97602
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Post by enigma on Feb 10, 2011 19:53:44 GMT -5
Hehe. Yes, it can be difficult to recover from one's conceptual delusions about nonduality, though first it may be necessary to realize it has nothing to do with nonduality.
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 10, 2011 19:57:16 GMT -5
Yes I think with this guy he got his mind into a not thinking pattern you know the way some cults use it and it backfired..there was a point in my own journey that if I had to learn something like advance math etc it would have been quite the problem.
Michael
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Post by frankshank on Feb 10, 2011 20:11:26 GMT -5
I think this non duality palava can get in the way of a decent dream. I need to leave all this behind I reckon as my character isn't taking it seriously enough. It's an interesting distraction but I'd rather be an ego king. Still waiting!!
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Post by enigma on Feb 10, 2011 20:31:03 GMT -5
It's possible to get sufficiently confused while grappling with nonduality concepts that immobility sets in. Fortunately, life has a way of kicking our butts back into mobility.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 10, 2011 20:40:55 GMT -5
It's possible to get sufficiently confused while grappling with nonduality concepts that immobility sets in. Fortunately, life has a way of kicking our butts back into mobility. 5 years since my last job - no joke. I still have enough money in my bank account to last a long time (which seems to be the problem). I have no motivation to do anything and the non duality thing doesn't help. It makes sense that who I think I am is an idea. Therefore my life is pointless. I'm not depressed about it but I am bored. I could just accept the way it is but without the experience, it's nothing but words!
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 10, 2011 20:49:27 GMT -5
Well I can help you Frank..give me some he he.
Michael
Seriously I am planning to move back to Cali But your right I once had a good amount of $$$ and felt the same. It's a good time to go on trips, do something you never did before like sky diving etc.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 10, 2011 21:06:43 GMT -5
Well I can help you Frank..give me some he he. Michael Seriously I am planning to move back to Cali But your right I once had a good amount of $$$ and felt the same. It's a good time to go on trips, do something you never did before like sky diving etc. I have thought about giving it away but not to you! I did the parachute jump from 3000 feet thing years back. Tangled my legs in the line and almost killed myself. I enjoyed it but the instructors seemed quite stressed. As for travelling I have a handicapped brother who I'm an appointee for so I don't want to leave him. Otherwise I'd be off without hesitation!
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Post by enigma on Feb 10, 2011 21:38:38 GMT -5
As I see it, the absence of motivation can't be blamed on nonduality. The interest in nonduality is likely the result of a lack of interest in playing the game of life because it's emptiness is seen on some level. One accomplishes a goal only to turn immediately around and set a new goal. One finds momentary happiness and waits for the proverbial other shoe to drop so that the cycle can begin again. It's not considered good form to see through the game of life this way but it IS what has us peeking out the window and over the horizon in a genuine way that is not merely the same game with a spiritual twist. If there is enough stability present to be bored, may I suggest today's specialty?: existential death.
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Post by michaelsees on Feb 10, 2011 21:46:11 GMT -5
Well I can help you Frank..give me some he he. Michael Seriously I am planning to move back to Cali But your right I once had a good amount of $$$ and felt the same. It's a good time to go on trips, do something you never did before like sky diving etc. I have thought about giving it away but not to you! I did the parachute jump from 3000 feet thing years back. Tangled my legs in the line and almost killed myself. I enjoyed it but the instructors seemed quite stressed. As for travelling I have a handicapped brother who I'm an appointee for so I don't want to leave him. Otherwise I'd be off without hesitation! Well yes if the instructor was piggy back to you I can see why? Speaking of "handicapped" brothers just watched Rain man today for the first time. Nice movie. Michael
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Post by frankshank on Feb 10, 2011 21:49:39 GMT -5
The interest in nonduality is likely the result of a lack of interest in playing the game of life because it's emptiness is seen on some level. That just about sums it up I think. I don't want to die though. I don't feel a desperate need to experience what you're experiencing. That leaves me in limbo!
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Post by frankshank on Feb 10, 2011 22:13:29 GMT -5
I have thought about giving it away but not to you! I did the parachute jump from 3000 feet thing years back. Tangled my legs in the line and almost killed myself. I enjoyed it but the instructors seemed quite stressed. As for travelling I have a handicapped brother who I'm an appointee for so I don't want to leave him. Otherwise I'd be off without hesitation! Well yes if the instructor was piggy back to you I can see why? Speaking of "handicapped" brothers just watched Rain man today for the first time. Nice movie. Michael There was no one strapped to me. The instructors looked out of the plane and according to the other parachutists still in the plane were very worried. I was chilled though. There was no fear. A spiritual moment if you like OR it all happened that quickly I didn't have enough time to be scared. LOL. Wonderful all the way down. Highly recommended. Rainman is a great film. The guy who the film was based on died in 2009: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/22/kim-peek-rain-man-dies
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Post by enigma on Feb 10, 2011 22:35:21 GMT -5
The interest in nonduality is likely the result of a lack of interest in playing the game of life because it's emptiness is seen on some level. That just about sums it up I think. I don't want to die though. I don't feel a desperate need to experience what you're experiencing. That leaves me in limbo! Well, but life comes back to life, truly.
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Post by Portto on Feb 11, 2011 8:08:40 GMT -5
I don't want to die though. I don't feel a desperate need to experience what you're experiencing. That leaves me in limbo! Sometimes, the monster under the bed continues to give us chills even after we look and see that it's not there.
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Post by frankshank on Feb 11, 2011 8:44:19 GMT -5
I don't want to die though. I don't feel a desperate need to experience what you're experiencing. That leaves me in limbo! Sometimes, the monster under the bed continues to give us chills even after we look and see that it's not there. I dont fear physical or existential death. Perhaps when faced with either I would, I dont know. My problem is indifference. Indifference to a career, indifference to a relationship, indifference to enlightenment to a degree etc.. So what to the lot of it. We live, we die, blah blah blah!
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