inca
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Post by inca on Jan 2, 2011 20:59:20 GMT -5
In Sri Ramana's Nan Yar?, he said: "However in sleep, even though the mind has subsides, the breath does not subside. It is arranged thus by the ordinance of God for the purpose of protecting the body, and so that other people do not wonder whether that body has died." But other Advaita literature I read all says the body and world don't exist in deep sleep.  |
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Post by Portto on Jan 2, 2011 21:23:17 GMT -5
The body and the world are not what we think they are even when we are in the waking state.
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Post by therealfake on Jan 2, 2011 21:47:18 GMT -5
In Sri Ramana's Nan Yar?, he said: "However in sleep, even though the mind has subsides, the breath does not subside. It is arranged thus by the ordinance of God for the purpose of protecting the body, and so that other people do not wonder whether that body has died." But other Advaita literature I read all says the body and world don't exist in deep sleep. Hi Inca, I vote for the world doesn't exist in deep sleep. No consciousness and therefore no world. Just the background, the container if you will, on which consciousness does it's dance. TRF |
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Post by enigma on Jan 2, 2011 22:09:16 GMT -5
In Sri Ramana's Nan Yar?, he said: "However in sleep, even though the mind has subsides, the breath does not subside. It is arranged thus by the ordinance of God for the purpose of protecting the body, and so that other people do not wonder whether that body has died." But other Advaita literature I read all says the body and world don't exist in deep sleep. Hi Inca, I vote for the world doesn't exist in deep sleep. No consciousness and therefore no world. Just the background, the container if you will, on which consciousness does it's dance. TRF Do me a favor and let me know when you plan to go to sleep so's I can prepare for the Great Disappearance, okay? Hehe. |
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Post by mits on Jan 3, 2011 5:44:32 GMT -5
This has been on my mind for a while; the world ceases to exist when I am asleep and when I awake it exists
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Post by enigma on Jan 3, 2011 12:16:05 GMT -5
The world you seem to live in consists of your personal thoughts and feelings ABOUT the world, and this has to be reconstructed when 'you' reappear in the morning.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 3, 2011 13:43:41 GMT -5
Atmananda says that only in deep sleep we are our true nature. He also says that if you have any ills of anykind and they are healed in deep sleep the results are instanstous. I am not into the healing thing much but once you understand what he is saying it all makes perfect since.
You can be "awaken" and never but never be aware in deep sleep however there are some that are aware. It makes no sense on how and why this can happen but some well known real awaken teachers as well as Atmaanda have be able to do this.
Michael
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Post by therealfake on Jan 3, 2011 15:09:33 GMT -5
Hi Inca, I vote for the world doesn't exist in deep sleep. No consciousness and therefore no world. Just the background, the container if you will, on which consciousness does it's dance. TRF Do me a favor and let me know when you plan to go to sleep so's I can prepare for the Great Disappearance, okay? Hehe. Lol, OK, no problem... I think it only takes one mind to create the world anyway, so even if 6.9 billion minds fell into a deep sleep, one man or woman could keep it going... Even if the whole planet did fall into a deep sleep, who's going to be around to verify that the world disappeared? Just a worldly thought. |
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Post by karen on Jan 3, 2011 16:26:19 GMT -5
You can be "awaken" and never but never be aware in deep sleep however there are some that are aware. It makes no sense on how and why this can happen but some well known real awaken teachers as well as Atmaanda have be able to do this. This might be tapping into body memory-process somehow (rather than the phenomenal memory itself). |
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 3, 2011 20:16:01 GMT -5
I do not know cuz I never been able to do it but when a sage such as Ramana experienced this and Ramana also I would believe it's possible.It's difficult enough to speak about non duality in waking consciousness let alone deep sleep where memory is not present.
Michael
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Post by klaus on Jan 3, 2011 20:18:14 GMT -5
The world you seem to live in consists of your personal thoughts and feelings ABOUT the world, and this has to be reconstructed when 'you' reappear in the morning. enigma, You are right. I have experienced this process while in that state between sleep and waking. It's an actual reconstruction of the world as "you" know it and it happens without any conscious effort; it's automatic. |
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Post by karen on Jan 3, 2011 20:36:15 GMT -5
I do not know cuz I never been able to do it but when a sage such as Ramana experienced this and Ramana also I would believe it's possible.It's difficult enough to speak about non duality in waking consciousness let alone deep sleep where memory is not present. Michael A few times I have noticed continuity upon emerging from deep sleep into a dream state. |
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Post by inca on Jan 3, 2011 20:57:58 GMT -5
The world you seem to live in consists of your personal thoughts and feelings ABOUT the world, and this has to be reconstructed when 'you' reappear in the morning. This answer brought up another my long-time question regarding the world. Some said the world is the projection of the mind. If this is true, then how does the mind do it? It is easy to see thoughts arising and falling in my mental space and treating them as separate entities, but I don't think thoughts have anything to do with the world seen in front of me. Does the mind do the projection through images - which is another type of entity?  |
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Post by karen on Jan 3, 2011 22:30:02 GMT -5
This answer brought up another my long-time question regarding the world. Some said the world is the projection of the mind. If this is true, then how does the mind do it? It is easy to see thoughts arising and falling in my mental space and treating them as separate entities, but I don't think thoughts have anything to do with the world seen in front of me. Does the mind do the projection through images - which is another type of entity? The world you know is a projection of the mind. How is it done? In the same way the mind creates your dreams. |
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Post by zendancer on Jan 3, 2011 22:38:50 GMT -5
The world you seem to live in consists of your personal thoughts and feelings ABOUT the world, and this has to be reconstructed when 'you' reappear in the morning. This answer brought up another my long-time question regarding the world. Some said the world is the projection of the mind. If this is true, then how does the mind do it? It is easy to see thoughts arising and falling in my mental space and treating them as separate entities, but I don't think thoughts have anything to do with the world seen in front of me. Does the mind do the projection through images - which is another type of entity? Inca: In this case the word "projection" is being misunderstood. The mind does not project the actual; it projects ideas about the actual that become so ingrained that the projective activity goes unnoticed. The eyes do not see separateness; the mind imagines separateness. So, contrary to what one might imagine, thoughts have everything to do with the world most people perceive. The actual, for example, contains no such things as trees. Treeness is an abstraction projected by the mind and mistaken for the actual. If one closely examines the boundaries that seemingly define a tree, the boundaries will collapse. It is only because we endlessly practice imagining trees as separate things that we do not see the infinite wholeness in front of our eyes. That kind of imaginative projection is precisely what leads us to imagine that we are separate beings confronting an externalized reality. |
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