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Post by michaelsees on Dec 13, 2010 23:58:05 GMT -5
The question which answers fill this forum full. I made a special video clip for our group. I feel this video clip I made can be a real help to many here that are exploring this question "Who am I" The quality of the video is so so but the contents are priceless. I suggest even if you think, feel or know you are awaken that you watch this clip at least 3 times. The info is powerful. It's not me on the video(I'm better looking ) It's Stephen Wolinsky. I took this footage from one of my Niz films. I feel it's the best 10 mins of showing you who the real you is of all the films I have. Enjoy Michael www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0G0g-N392k
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Post by enigma on Dec 14, 2010 2:11:01 GMT -5
Good stuff. I wanted to jabber about the idea that Beingness is missed because it's always there, like the fishies searching for water. We can notice that all of experience is a movement. Thoughts, feelings, sense perceptions all arise, change and fall, and it's only the change that can be experienced. A thought or feeling cannot be held motionless. If it seems to remain, it's only because the thought is brought back over and over, or a feeling is stimulated repeatedly. Even if you stare at a single point without shifting the eyes, it will soon disappear. This is why we continually move back and forth between dualistic polarities and why change is the only constant in our experience; because experience IS the experience of change, of movement.
That which you are, which is always present, within which all change occurs, is never moving. It cannot be perceived, cannot be experienced, cannot be objectified by mind. It is not an object, and cannot move. However, because it is always present, and must be present before any experience can happen, it is more obvious than any object that appears to it.
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Post by mamza on Dec 14, 2010 4:16:22 GMT -5
This guy makes me wonder how anyone could figure anything like that out. What I just said makes me wonder how I didn't figure the same things out. It's like going from complex trig. to pre-algebra... you need the one to do the other, but you forget the earlier, simpler one after doing the more complicated one for so long.
Something makes me want to say, "That's a lot to wrap your head around" but it's probably much simpler than it seems according to this guy.
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Post by zendancer on Dec 14, 2010 8:16:50 GMT -5
Yes. All words and concepts collapse in that ultimate emptiness. Nothing to get and nowhere to go. Total unknowable beingness beyond being. Nice video Michael.
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 14, 2010 10:22:17 GMT -5
This is why I wrote to view it at least 3 times for you maybe 10 times cuz what he is saying is not complex at all. It's the mind that makes it seem this way. The mind tells you Oh no the secret is coming I will no longer exist I must do something. So it does it makes the clip sound much to difficult to figure out when it's not. Michael Something makes me want to say, "That's a lot to wrap your head around" but it's probably much simpler than it seems according to this guy.
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Post by Portto on Dec 14, 2010 10:36:23 GMT -5
Stephen needs a ponytail or something!
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 14, 2010 12:38:17 GMT -5
Hi, It really is good stuff! Now this opens up another inquiry for me. The clip explains well what we are not. We are not the body, mind, emotions etc. It explains how all that we are not gets stuck like flypaper to the absolute it self including consciousness. It explains that the true "me" is prior to and or beyond consciousness. In a way it gives to us our true position. However it does not tells us "What we are" We can say we are the absolute but what exactly is this absolute? Now even more crazy could it be that the absolute has no means of discovering what it is by itself so it invented consciousness etc to see it's own self? Any takers. I hope my inquiry is clear. Thanks Michael Good stuff. I wanted to jabber about the idea that Beingness is missed because it's always there, like the fishies searching for water. We can notice that all of experience is a movement. Thoughts, feelings, sense perceptions all arise, change and fall, and it's only the change that can be experienced. A thought or feeling cannot be held motionless. If it seems to remain, it's only because the thought is brought back over and over, or a feeling is stimulated repeatedly. Even if you stare at a single point without shifting the eyes, it will soon disappear. This is why we continually move back and forth between dualistic polarities and why change is the only constant in our experience; because experience IS the experience of change, of movement. That which you are, which is always present, within which all change occurs, is never moving. It cannot be perceived, cannot be experienced, cannot be objectified by mind. It is not an object, and cannot move. However, because it is always present, and must be present before any experience can happen, it is more obvious than any object that appears to it.
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Post by enigma on Dec 14, 2010 13:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 14, 2010 13:39:51 GMT -5
True it does sound animated in a sense as if the absolute wants to see it's face in a mirror and say Boo! It's the "what we are that id intriguing for me. Michael
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Post by therealfake on Dec 14, 2010 20:08:43 GMT -5
One day "It" was fooling around in the lab. Mixed matter and anti-matter together...Kabooom!!! You guessed it, the Big Bang Theory
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 15, 2010 14:11:34 GMT -5
Nis writes "Liberation is not a matter of acquisition, but a matter of faith and conviction that you have always been free, and a matter of courage to act on this conviction. There is nothing to change; it is only when the very idea of changing is seen as false that the changeless can come into it's own" For awakening to happen it's very important to understand these words. Nis simply held tight his own pressence of I AM ness until one day the mind chains were broken for him. Michael
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Post by therealfake on Dec 15, 2010 14:48:17 GMT -5
That's really hitting the mark for me, except I think I am in need of some clarification.
Is what I am, the awareness or that which even the awareness arises in?
Secondly, Nis states that there was an effort involved, to keep the sense of I AM constantly in the consciousness.
Other teachers have said that effort is a doing and to recognize who we are should be effortless.
I was wondering what everyone here uses as an effort or non effort to keep the recognition alive, moment to moment.
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 15, 2010 15:30:06 GMT -5
TRF,
Well you will get different answers because we have different personalities . Here's my take as it works for me. Do not even ask the question what I am at this point. A better question at least for me is what position am I am when I practice I am ness. I am in the position of consciousness. I am conscious that I am. Yes of course it takes effort to use your consciousness to hold the presence of I am. It took Nis 3 years of following his guru rules. This is Not a intellectual exercise. It's a bringing back to remembrance I am that. Through out our day most of us are busy in the act of "doing" going on. It is so easy to get lost in this act of "doing" the mind loves to take the attention off simply being with I am ness into all kinds of fantasy. By returning to your I Am and holding it there you are using consciousness to stop the mind. Then the day will come with consciousness is not necessary anymore.
Michael
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Post by therealfake on Dec 15, 2010 16:54:50 GMT -5
Hi Michael,
It seems paradoxical to me, that it would take any effort at all for me to remember or recognize what I already am and subsequently, "who" is it, that makes the effort to realize, what I already am?
A tree or an animal isn't constantly reminding itself of what it is.
It seems to me, that I've put up a block to my realization and then have to find a means of removing it.
Am I making any sense, or am I just trying to find a lazy mans way out?
TRF
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 15, 2010 17:16:56 GMT -5
TRF, Think about it TRF or better let reflect a little. When you were 1 or 2 you had no identity. When you experienced everything/anything it was direct no middleman you could say. Then comes the day which we all have and now you are a "me" from that day forward little by little the real you becomes lost in this identity. As a matter of fact from that day forward all you become is what is programed for you to become. At the age of 20 you have had 6,570 days of being programed!
Honestly during this time you probably have made no visits to the real you, even to say hi. So given all this where is the paradox? If it were not for the planted seed of realization to know out true nature there would be absolutely no chance to discover your true nature.
It seems to me a impossibility to know who you really are in only a few years yet it happens. It's truly a miracle that anyone obtains realization.
Michael
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