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Post by monkkey on Nov 30, 2010 2:39:12 GMT -5
cabin in the forest-
which part of your character doesn't like this part of the drama being played out on this message board?
is there really a problem, or would you just like to talk to the producer of the show as part of the show?
do you enjoy consciously judging your self (other selfs) as a character or as a producer in the show, or do you just get caught up in the character's role from time to time?
if you indeed go to that cabin (which is just fine), be prepared for the one-man arm wrestling match you're trying so hard to console. and alternate arms from time to time for greater effect, so the song goes on forever and the party never ends.
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Post by monkkey on Nov 30, 2010 3:27:27 GMT -5
cabin in the forest- what is the real goal of the question and ranking? 0 is much closer when talking about people or characters and 'the truth', whatever you mean by that. your character's incessant interest in judging other characters indicates an internal captivating angst driving for some kind of worldly truth, which you are confusing with the Truth. perhaps that angst is the Good manifesting in the show as intense energy for the arm wrestling match! Beautiful! hugs.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 30, 2010 5:15:14 GMT -5
Cabin: Asking if a human being is close to the truth is like a fish swimming along and asking some other fish, "Is anyone close to the water?" If you become sufficiently silent, you will realize that there is nothing but the truth.
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Post by unveilable on Nov 30, 2010 6:49:53 GMT -5
MC's,
Yes you describe the experience I had last year and in my teens as well. I try not to get too involved with these things so I tend to understate. It felt like my soul was being sucked out of me and the horror reverberated for many weeks until LM clarified the limits of perception. If it means I could stop identifying with thoughts I would gladly welcome it again...in theory. Sadly I'm not sure how up to it I would really be but that doesn't really matter because it would only happen again if I was ready. I think Margot Riddler describes having a similar experience.
All I know is that I was completely stunned and indifferent towards life for several weeks afterwords. And I mean I did not give a d#$n about anything at all whatsoever. How could I? I was totally useless at that point. Now that months have gone by it is obvious that I am not the same though there have been other odd experiences since so I couldn't really say A caused B etc. Basically I just don't cling to ideas and beliefs in the way I use to. Life is much more light and spontaneous even simple. Things have just lost their stickiness. All that said I still waffle between hypnotic thoughts and moments of 'no self' awareness.
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Post by robert on Nov 30, 2010 7:42:44 GMT -5
cabin- i am not frank or lexi, although it wouldn't matter much. the only problem you seem to be having is that no one is agreeing with you and so the tantrum grows. one would think that after plowing head-on into a brick wall repeatedly that at some point one might look either right or left to see if there is a way around the wall. good luck in changing everyone's mind. you really may want to take a good look at bernadette robert's writings. she is a christian writer and she had a not so great experience when she asked monks at a zen monastery about her experience of no-self. they didn't believe her and told her that she was not whatever they said( can't remember the quote) she realized at that point that where spirituality/god are concerned you need to stick with the one you came with. (it's why i recommended the book to you months ago)
i have come to a place where i have some assimilating to do and verbal ping pong is not productive. i will check in.
robert
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Post by unveilable on Nov 30, 2010 7:46:26 GMT -5
Cabin, I think there is much to be learned every time you catch yourself using the word combination 'you people'. Its the equivalent of saying 'all plants are green so further investigation is not necessary'. I use to say it often myself. If you really want to fully enjoy the glory and gift that we all have then at some point you will need to start letting go of us vs. them, Christian vs. Non-dualist etc. What is the difference between Earth and plant? on a scale 1 - 10 do you people actually think you are close to the truth? 10 being closest to the truth.
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Post by unveilable on Nov 30, 2010 8:12:28 GMT -5
Hi robert, I know that some circles encourage confrontation as a method for pushing people along the way but I'm not sure that it is all that useful. I actually think its reckless if not handled artfully. You may be speaking from a place of sincerity and even love but it doesn't translate well with stagnate words in a forum. This could just be my bias because I'm one of those sensitive feeler types. cabin- i am not frank or lexi, although it wouldn't matter much. the only problem you seem to be having is that no one is agreeing with you and so the tantrum grows. one would think that after plowing head-on into a brick wall repeatedly that at some point one might look either right or left to see if there is a way around the wall. good luck in changing everyone's mind. you really may want to take a good look at bernadette robert's writings. she is a christian writer and she had a not so great experience when she asked monks at a zen monastery about her experience of no-self. they didn't believe her and told her that she was not whatever they said( can't remember the quote) she realized at that point that where spirituality/god are concerned you need to stick with the one you came with. (it's why i recommended the book to you months ago) i have come to a place where i have some assimilating to do and verbal ping pong is not productive. i will check in. robert
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Post by frankshank on Nov 30, 2010 8:59:54 GMT -5
Hi Cabin. We're not one in the same. My posts can be a bit flippant and occasionally confrontational I must admit. I don't take non duality as seriously as some on here for sure but I do find the subject interesting. Try not to take offence if others question your viewpoint. There are no right or wrong viewpoints. Treat everything you read on this forum with a large pinch of salt.
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Post by unveilable on Nov 30, 2010 9:16:46 GMT -5
And the chemical makeup of Earth is.... The plant lives in the earth.
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Post by Peter on Nov 30, 2010 9:33:35 GMT -5
monkkey frankshank lexi The guest poster "The Uncreated" vacant
All these users are the same person. They basically just signed up to this forum to insult/attack people read through there posts on each of there users, they never post anything positive. Well of course the trouble with guest posters is that anyone can use the same username, but I'm quite certain that FrankShank isn't the same person as The Uncreated, who was/is quite a serious poster (rude yes, but clear and cutting) dating back to 2008 who makes posts at quite a high level. FrankShank - a little more fluffily loveable, leaves a different taste in the mouth. But this is all by the by. If you personally are being insulted, then perhaps you could consider that you're being given the opportunity to look at what ideas you're clinging to that are causing you to take offence? If you're stable and comfortable in your view of the world, then why would the (ill advised) opinion of another cause you distress? Or if you're taking offence in general (or on behalf of another) - saying that people "should" contribute only positive responses and "should" behave in a certain way, then perhaps you could consider that you're being given the opportunity to look at your need to control / change other people. And the irony of me writing this isn't lost on me How I see spiritual development is this: In one sense, we are being asked to accept things as they are. Without judging and without seeking to change it. In another sense, sometimes we get the opportunity to take a stand and seek to change something - coming across a mugging in the street for example. Is what's happening in this thread something that needs to change, or something to allow to be? Also Matthew 7:1-5 applies
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Post by lexi on Nov 30, 2010 10:33:11 GMT -5
I admire your ambition. However, your conclusions on Lexi are wrong. I did not sign up to this forum to insult/attack people. And I have posted some positive posts. I do admit to sarcasm or cheekiness at times. I don't know if the others post in the same tone, same writing style or not. I have only posted five posts. As I am new here, I wonder, Cabin, just how welcoming you are to new members. Just because someone does not share you're beliefs does not mean that they should not be welcomed. And then be cited as 'insulting and attacking". If I was insulting and attacking, you would flip your lid. Perhaps your ego was insulted and attacked by 'nothing'. Here are my posts. They do not fit your conclusions. And frankly, your post would not be allowed on other forums. It was a personal attack on the people you mentioned. But I know it has nothing to do with Lexi, or the others, but with your self. The emoicons are to inform the reader of the tone. Basically being friendly. Nov 25- Post 1- I DO have a cabin in the forest. But I live in nature. It's all One. Nov 26- Post 2- Hi zendancer, that's a lot of biblical references for a zendancer. I'm not into KOG. There's some things that just need to be spelled out. ;D If I look on the outside, I won't find it. If I look on the inside, I can find it. Then I can see it on the outside too, as there is no inside and outside- and this is seen. Unless I look at the space on the outside. Then this space will be recognized on the inside- and again, same- One. Yes! Rumi poems are the Bomb! Nature is Alive- and so helpful. Let's look between the trees and the forest. That which cannot be seen, is what to see. Nov 26- Post 3- Best Quote Enigma Nov 26- Post 4- Nope. There is no you. You are right there. That is all nonduality is about. Nope. Nope. Typical? Nisargadatta Maharaj Yes. Yes. Yes. Constantly. You can be the judge of this one. That's a lot of assumption. There's only One thing. Life. Nov 28- Post 5- Hi Michael, What is the basic difference between true advaita and neo-advaita? I read the dialogue but it was confusing to me. It's funny that advaita would have two camps. Which side do you tend to lean more on?
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Post by monkkey on Nov 30, 2010 10:36:27 GMT -5
cabin in the forest-
i am not insulting or attacking you, you are doing that to your self.
i asked you some questions and then said you are Truth, Beautiful, and Good, you keep trying to prove otherwise.
i am not who you say i am and it does not matter.
here is some homework: there are two trees in the garden of eden, and you have eaten from one. in order to eat from the other, you will have to overcome the effects of the fruit of the first.
just trying to help. that is why i asked you the questions.
(P.S.- ok, i just found your bio information and i see you are 20. i take it all back, and you should just carry on with whatever it is you feel you need to do. it is likely that you just have a lot of energy seeping through the cracks, and it just reads like you are throwing stuff around at people. just know that it will end up back on you. but yes, you are just doing it to your self, and it seems you enjoy it. good luck sir!)
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Post by lexi on Nov 30, 2010 11:20:26 GMT -5
robert - Reply #114 Today at 7:42am frankshank - Reply #119 Today at 8:59am lexi - Reply #122 Today at 10:33am monkkey - Reply #123 Today at 10:36am Ok so we have 4 users here. Now either 1 person is behind all of them, or 1 person owns 3 of them. There are some striking similarities in all of your posts. Kids. btw- from the posts I've read of my esteemed collegues- I'd be honored to be all of them.
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Post by Peter on Nov 30, 2010 11:25:08 GMT -5
Ok so we have 4 users here. Now either 1 person is behind all of them, or 1 person owns 3 of them. There are some striking similarities in all of your posts. Or two people own two of them each - don't limit yourself in your accusations here, Cabin. Do you think though? Lexi comes across like a female to me, and besides, she refers to herself in the 3rd person which is something we don't see a lot of. Monkkey saying "Good luck sir" ...generally it's more of a guy thing to call someone sir. Logging in and out - seems like a lot of effort to go to just to wind up a Cabin. Anyway, even if two or more of the users on this board are being driven by the same individual, does it matter? And if it matters, does it matter that it matters? Is there a rule that you think is being broken? What's really rubbing you up the wrong way here Cabin? Personally, I find the fact that the Universe does not bend itself to my every whim to be a source of constant irritation, but I try not to take it out on anyone else. Much.
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Post by frankshank on Nov 30, 2010 11:36:11 GMT -5
;D
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