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Post by michaelsees on Nov 24, 2010 17:12:08 GMT -5
Well what happen is simple most people that find this site find it through a nondual website which is Spiritualteachers.org. So it's only natural that most folks here are into nonduality or seeking it.
However you are correct it would be nice to have other spiritual talks other than nonduality. I am open for sure
Michael
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Post by enigma on Nov 24, 2010 17:29:55 GMT -5
does anyone want to have a chat about science, physics, geology, botany, archeology, cosmology, philosophy, ecology, biology, chemistry, religion or spirituality? i dont know what happened but this forum got taken over by nonduality. I just kinda figured a site called spiritualteachers wasn't about science, physics, botany, archeology, ecology, biology or chemistry. I'm up for the rest of it.
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Post by Peter on Nov 25, 2010 8:28:16 GMT -5
I don't know that Shawn would want Spiritual Teachers labeled "a non-dual website" - my take was that Truth could be found in any spiritual tradition. That said, his favourite teachers do seem to be mostly that way inclined. Looking back through the ratings, I find myself drawn back to reading Joseph Sadony. More in line with where I feel like I'm going at the moment. I'm with Enigma on this - there are plenty of forums out there discussing the material sciences. I would be keen to be able to explore spiritual truth without being reminded that there's nothing to experience and no one to experience it. Although if this turns out - experientially - to be the truth, then I'll withdraw that remark. This board was born out of it's predecessor The Spiritual Friends Locator - a service now incorporated here. Still ticking over that board I notice, although I never did get a reply from anyone else in Scotland
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Post by lexi on Nov 25, 2010 10:59:25 GMT -5
Hi cabin in the forest,
"i dont know what happened but this forum got taken over by nonduality."
This seems to be an epidemic! There must be a culprit.
(ribbit) ;D
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Post by zendancer on Nov 25, 2010 12:16:25 GMT -5
I think the danger of invasive nonduality is somewhat overblown. This morning I made a concerted effort to locate nonduality so that it could be quarantined or destroyed, but despite searching high and low I couldn't find a sign of it anywhere. In fact, I couldn't even find the one who was searching for it. Tell me again, what is the problem?
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Post by karen on Nov 25, 2010 12:36:29 GMT -5
Cabin, this forum is specialized towards non-dual topics. There are a bazillion other forums about general spirituality where you can speculate, imagine, and discuss all sorts of grand and special things. Why not participate in the rest of the internet with those topics
Cabin? Why do you want to remake this forum to your subject matter? What precisely are you looking to get out of this forum, and why will only this forum do and not the millions of other forums out there?
I don't mind you talking about other topics at all. But I'm probably not going to get roped in myself here since I come here for pointers along the path towards awaking to reality - not a more interesting dream.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2010 13:27:36 GMT -5
"I'm with Enigma on this - there are plenty of forums out there discussing the material sciences. I would be keen to be able to explore spiritual truth without being reminded that there's nothing to experience and no one to experience it. Although if this turns out - experientially - to be the truth, then I'll withdraw that remark. "
But there will be no-one to withdraw that remark. Hehe.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2010 13:31:35 GMT -5
Hi cabin in the forest, "i dont know what happened but this forum got taken over by nonduality." This seems to be an epidemic! There must be a culprit. (ribbit) ;D Hmmmm...... ::::Eyeing the newcomer suspiciously......::::::
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Post by robert on Nov 25, 2010 13:54:34 GMT -5
a subject about which no words exist........ eyeing myself and all of you with more suspicion than that last guy if that is a guy at all. ?.
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Post by enigma on Nov 25, 2010 14:00:19 GMT -5
Cabin, this forum is specialized towards non-dual topics. There are a bazillion other forums about general spirituality where you can speculate, imagine, and discuss all sorts of grand and special things. Why not participate in the rest of the internet with those topics Cabin? Why do you want to remake this forum to your subject matter? What precisely are you looking to get out of this forum, and why will only this forum do and not the millions of other forums out there?I don't mind you talking about other topics at all. But I'm probably not going to get roped in myself here since I come here for pointers along the path towards awaking to reality - not a more interesting dream. Yeah, that was the question I've been asking myself. I find that if we wait long enough, folks will always clarify their intentions. Cabin: So what the thread is really about is a perceived insight that nonduality is all silly nonsense talked about by peeps sitting in their basements on computers and don't have an interesting life. If that had been said in the original post, we could have saved Zen the trouble of looking high and low for that nonduality thingy as well as the trauma of losing the one searching for it. (I think he's okay, though) As to the issue of non-existent nondualists not spending enough time outside in nature, it seems clear Zen is a serious nature lover, as am I. Last summer I calculated that I spend roughly 2 hours/day inside some building. My office is outside in my garden in the summer, and i sleep outside all year. Until very recently, I even had a cabin in the forest. HA!
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Post by lexi on Nov 25, 2010 14:15:54 GMT -5
I think the danger of invasive nonduality is somewhat overblown. This morning I made a concerted effort to locate nonduality so that it could be quarantined or destroyed, but despite searching high and low I couldn't find a sign of it anywhere. In fact, I couldn't even find the one who was searching for it. Tell me again, what is the problem? haha! The evasiveness of nothing- a mind boggler. (that's the problem)
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Post by lexi on Nov 25, 2010 14:20:51 GMT -5
[Enigma-As to the issue of non-existent nondualists not spending enough time outside in nature, it seems clear Zen is a serious nature lover, as am I. Last summer I calculated that I spend roughly 2 hours/day inside some building. My office is outside in my garden in the summer, and i sleep outside all year. Until very recently, I even had a cabin in the forest. HA![/quote] I DO have a cabin in the forest. But I live in nature. It's all One.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 25, 2010 15:17:29 GMT -5
Oh my goodness, we may need to get serious for a moment, though its a shame to do so. This body/mind has to preach a sermon on Sunday morning, so here's some good mind-food to chew on.
In Luke (17:20) someone asks Jesus, "When will the kingdom of God come?" He replies, "You cannot tell by observation when the KOG comes. There will be no saying, 'Look, here it is!' Or, 'There it is!' for in fact the KOG is within you."
This response to the question seems a bit lopsided. I vastly prefer the version that appears in Verse 3 of the Gospel of Thomas. In that verse Jesus says, "If those who lead you say, 'See, the KOG is in the sky,' then the birds will get there ahead of you. If they say, 'It is in the sea, then the fish will get there ahead of you.' Rather, the Kingdom is INSIDE of you AND it is OUTSIDE of you." (the caps are my emphasis). At least this verse covers things in both directions. LOL
In verse 5 Jesus says, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you."
In verse 61 Jesus says, "I am he who exists from the Undivided."
In verse 72 a man says to Jesus, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me." Jesus looked at him and said, "O Man, who has made me a divider?" He then turned to his disciples and said to them, "I am not a divider am I?" (gotta love the dripping sarcasm in those lines!)
Finally, in verse 113 he says, "The kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth but men do not see it." (has a more deadly statement ever been uttered?)
So, what do we see when we go out in nature? Do we see the forest or the trees? Do we see oneness or multiplicity? Do we see matter and energy located in time and space or do we see the Infinite? Indeed, what IS the Kingdom of God? Where is it? When is it? Who resides there?And how does one get in there?
Could Rumi possibly be correct? Could we be knocking on the door from the inside?
Well, should we continue in this serious vein, or get back to more en-lighten-ed fun and games? I would vote to go in whatever direction raises the needle on the laugh-o-meter.
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Post by m on Nov 25, 2010 15:51:48 GMT -5
does anyone want to have a chat about science, physics, geology, botany, archeology, cosmology, philosophy, ecology, biology, chemistry, religion or spirituality? i dont know what happened but this forum got taken over by nonduality. I don't know about this question. I kind of feel something resonating in me. So, having red a lot about how and why this question is "out of context/frame", I now wonder :" What truth could be in it as well?" m
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Post by loverofall on Nov 25, 2010 16:03:35 GMT -5
I never thought a year ago when I got on this board and got slapped around mentally that as I identified more with awareness that I would lose motivation to write more. Something moving today with Thanksgiving and family interactions and insane patterns of meaningless chatter and overeating pushes something in me. Its more like when I see the other people doing meaningless and damaging things to themselves I realize I still have those patterns.
I do see how the more you "undo ego patterns" the more your natural personality comes out. Childlike is at times a good description but even that is seen as just more patterns. Better patterns, healthier patterns, more peaceful patterns but just patterns. The natural self would of course not overeat or create grudges or anxieties. It would just do what it feels like doing. It finds fulfillment in activities that helps it and frustration is a motivator to stay away from things not go towards them.
Hey I totally understand that this is still patterns but the more a human being lets go the more its going to do things that makes it healthier and stronger and happier. Its just part of evolution. The heart does eventually open up more but I will ad at times the resistance and fear of letting go was very uncomfortable.
Nonduality concepts really help to let go of control. So no matter if you ever see past the illusion completely or not. Go with the Katie Byron, the nothing is real or I look forward to what ever is happening. They have been very beneficial to overcome the fear patterns that life has conditioned us with.
Anytime an emotion is created by a thought remember a child is not born with that ability.
Another interesting development is I thought I would be more of hermit the farther down the path but the opposite is happening. I seem to be engaging more and more. Relationships are more fulfilling (the ones that haven't fled).
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