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Post by karen on Jun 10, 2010 23:50:04 GMT -5
I really think I just need to bone up more when writing. I know I have a tendency to leave out stuff that I simply assume others see, but this is a blind spot I need to work on communicating. I could be unclear myself of certain issues; the deductive mind is very arrogant and always assumes it's knowledge is total.
Yeah questioning is very good. Self questioning is even better which I will do more of myself. This is a good reminder.
I also felt a bit weird all day long from this thread, and that pushed me even deeper into my looking practise which is always helpful.
Thanks.
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Post by enigma on Jun 11, 2010 1:45:19 GMT -5
Burt this is a good point Hi Karen ones experience is always subjective. no such thing as an "object perspective" The very nature of perspective is contextual and thus always untrue Alan Watts used to the say "we are the apertures through which the universe views itself" - but where his approach was incorrect was that the very existence of this lense makes everything it sees wrong all the time (since the number 2 does not exists) - we can't fix the lense nor can we clean it - we can't meditate to transcend the lense - we can only break the lense - no lense=no-self an no one is around to see anything after that  Were you expecting to vanish? Breaking the lens is a bit like playing out Russian roulette to it's ultimate conclusion. It will happen soon enough. Perhaps meditation can't transcend the lens, but You can and already have. Aren't you the one looking THROUGH the lens? If you tire of looking at Venus through your telescope, you won't need to smash your telescope.....just stop looking. If you don't want to stop looking, is there really a problem to be solved? It all gets very soft and tender around the edges here, and the hammer is laid down, and the heart silently weeps for the loss of what never was, and what remains in that melting is what was never absent. |
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Post by question on Jun 11, 2010 20:32:34 GMT -5
But when I focus on anothers' point of view forgetting myself and my perceptions, I am actually contracting my attention far more narrow than if I had just kept my attention on my subjective experience. Yeah I think it's not very healthy when one makes an object of other people's subjectivity. It can be practical at times, but if one gets used to viewing other beings like this it's ego-centric. Sounds like solipsism to me. It's impossible to disprove it, but it's equally impossible to bring up arguments pro solipsism that outweigh arguments for a world of many subjectivities. So I guess that would qualify it as a belief system? I agree though, that one's subjectivity is the first and only place to start looking for what really is. Who wants to know? I do. How do I find out? I can do some science, but essentially it's like reading an endless book. I can crunch all the numbers and find out new facts, but it's like circling around the center, equally far away from it whether I'm into quantum physics or anthropology. The only other move I can make is to look at what is the essence of me. |
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Post by karen on Jun 11, 2010 23:15:24 GMT -5
Sounds like solipsism to me. It's impossible to disprove it, but it's equally impossible to bring up arguments pro solipsism that outweigh arguments for a world of many subjectivities. So I guess that would qualify it as a belief system? Yes it sounds like solipsism. Except this is only where the mind drops off and I go deeper. |
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Post by divinity on Jun 15, 2010 22:15:09 GMT -5
What are all of you doing in my dream?
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Post by synapticrythms on Jun 15, 2010 23:19:40 GMT -5
LOL... divinity... I am doing nothing that I can really put my finger on.
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