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Post by shannon on Apr 26, 2010 11:09:05 GMT -5
99% of peoples' issues involve illusions and dramas that occur during their waking hours. This is the principal reason I opened this thread. And that does not only apply to gross concepts. Let´s not forget that God, enlightenment, satori, spirituality,nirvana, eternity, etc. are waking state constructions too, that is, mental attempts to describe a "something" where the mind is not present. But what the mind describes is not the thing per se (because it´s beyond the mind that tries to describe it). It is the sensations that the mind perceives afterwards. It´s like a book written by a blind man where he describes the exhuberance and the colours of a beautiful landscape. |
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Post by lobo on May 31, 2010 9:27:27 GMT -5
I just want to add a small personal point to this discussion.
I have found, especially in the last few months, that upon waking from deep sleep there is a sense of being much closer to the truth than at any time during waking state.
I am not going to conjecture anything about this. It is just the feeling that permeates this time.
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Post by karen on May 31, 2010 13:54:11 GMT -5
It's funny that I seem the farthest when awakening.
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Post by divinity on Jun 2, 2010 11:55:14 GMT -5
If it's not the brain which is aware when we are asleep, how does the brain remember the dream upon waking?
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Post by question on Jun 2, 2010 18:48:17 GMT -5
I just want to add a small personal point to this discussion. I have found, especially in the last few months, that upon waking from deep sleep there is a sense of being much closer to the truth than at any time during waking state. I am not going to conjecture anything about this. It is just the feeling that permeates this time. Sometimes I randomly wake up into the total clarity and presence of "Wow what is this?" Some weeks ago when I was on vacation at my parents home, just prior to waking up some voice said "Welcome to the realization of oneness!" (or something similar) and I was getting excited and giddy. So I wake up and a second later my father opens the door: "Hey you're still in bed? Get up son, we have lots of wood to chop, remember?" Weird...  |
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2010 22:20:59 GMT -5
If it's not the brain which is aware when we are asleep, how does the brain remember the dream upon waking? I would say that it is you (not the person) who 'remember' the brain upon awakening, as you reconstruct your idea of how stuff works in your world. The waking state of the mind is another dream state. The deep sleep state is the Awakened 'condition', but there is nobody there to take notes.  |
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2010 22:22:51 GMT -5
I just want to add a small personal point to this discussion. I have found, especially in the last few months, that upon waking from deep sleep there is a sense of being much closer to the truth than at any time during waking state. I am not going to conjecture anything about this. It is just the feeling that permeates this time. Sometimes I randomly wake up into the total clarity and presence of "Wow what is this?" Some weeks ago when I was on vacation at my parents home, just prior to waking up some voice said "Welcome to the realization of oneness!" (or something similar) and I was getting excited and giddy. So I wake up and a second later my father opens the door: "Hey you're still in bed? Get up son, we have lots of wood to chop, remember?" Weird... Didja have to carry water too?  |
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Post by lobo on Jun 3, 2010 11:30:43 GMT -5
[/quote] Sometimes I randomly wake up into the total clarity and presence of "Wow what is this?" Some weeks ago when I was on vacation at my parents home, just prior to waking up some voice said "Welcome to the realization of oneness!" (or something similar) and I was getting excited and giddy. So I wake up and a second later my father opens the door: "Hey you're still in bed? Get up son, we have lots of wood to chop, remember?" Weird... [/quote] question, that is interesting but also pretty cool  for me this sense of closeness to truth happens more when there has not been dreaming......and I think it is because the normal waking conscious has not loaded the programs from the hard drive to the ram LOL, i.e., the conditioning has not been taken on yet. If I am quiet I can slowly watch it come to life, so to speak. This kind of phenomenon is quite interesting to me. Thanks |
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Post by runstill on Jun 5, 2010 0:56:23 GMT -5
Hello all,
Zendancer what are your thoughts on the chance of one being samadhi again after the first time one experienced it.
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Post by zendancer on Jun 5, 2010 9:45:47 GMT -5
Runstill: I'm not sure if I understand the question. Are you asking if it is possible to experience samadhi repeatedly or regularly? If so, the answer is yes. Many long-time meditators can quickly fall into samadhi after sitting down, settling themselves, and spending a few moments regulating their breathing. For other people, who haven't developed that kind of practice, it is more of an accidental hit or miss kind of thing.
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Post by peanut on Jun 5, 2010 11:54:59 GMT -5
Burt..that has been my experience too...upon waking from a deep sleep if there isn't a rushing but a slowness then there is a sense of being close to the truth....no thoughts...no "I"..like before the mind has a chance to scramble to reconstruct the imagined self.
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Post by runstill on Jun 5, 2010 13:31:19 GMT -5
Zendancer yes you answered my question sorry I wasn't more clear. I didn't want to sound like I was claiming to have experienced samadhi but that seems to best describe what happened to me.
I wasn't trying to do anything I was just standing still taking in a scenic view and this really amazing thing happened.When I snapped out of it I had this realization that I don't exist.
My apologies if anyone feels I'm hijacking this thread.I hope I added
something to it.
thank you
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Post by zendancer on Jun 5, 2010 14:15:39 GMT -5
Runstill: The experience you alluded to sounds more like a kensho experience than samadhi. Email me and I'll explain the differences. Don;t worry about hijacking a thread. These threads run in every direction imaginable, but they're all pointing to the same thing. Cheers.
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