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Post by frankshank on Apr 1, 2010 15:51:03 GMT -5
LOL. There's no point in throwing the hammer away though. It can be useful!! I don't throw the hammer away, but i keep in the garage and out of my office. Not because I judge it to be wrong or bad, just because it doesn't serve it's purpose here. If the hammer is happy to sit at the bottom of a swimming pool who am I to tell it it should be in the garage. I only think it should be in the garage because that's what father did, and roger next door etc...and who's to say it won't make a great paperweight! |
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2010 0:09:05 GMT -5
I don't throw the hammer away, but i keep in the garage and out of my office. Not because I judge it to be wrong or bad, just because it doesn't serve it's purpose here. If the hammer is happy to sit at the bottom of a swimming pool who am I to tell it it should be in the garage. I only think it should be in the garage because that's what father did, and roger next door etc...and who's to say it won't make a great paperweight! :::::Checking my priority list.......::::: Nope, the happiness of the hammer isn't on the list at all! |
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Post by frankshank on Apr 2, 2010 4:27:11 GMT -5
LOL. OK, leave the happiness of the hammer to one side (poor thing). Who are you to say it should be in the garage? Who are you to decide what its use is?
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Post by zendancer on Apr 2, 2010 8:18:54 GMT -5
Andy: Enigma has been responding, correctly IMO, to the idea that because there is only oneness, there is no basis for judging, and it therefore doesn't matter what anyone does. In fact, there is only oneness, but at the same time there is correct action and incorrect action. Holy is holy and unholy is unholy. The truth of this is not based upon logic. At our construction company our hammers stay in our shop until they are needed for nailing nails or performing other appropriate functions.
A koan designed specifically for this subject would be: A teacher holds up a hammer and asks, "what is this?" Here are some possible answers:
1. Student: "It's a hammer." Teacher: "You're attached to form."
2. Student: "It's not a hammer." Teacher: "You're attached to emptiness."
3. Student: "It's a telephone pole." Teacher: "You're attached to oneness."
4. Student: "I don;t know." Teacher: "Good, you're halfway there. This is your new homework. Bring me a good answer tomorrow."
5. Student: (picks up the hammer and throws it through a window) Teacher: "You understand the essence but not the function."
6. Student: (picks up the hammer and stands it on its head) Teacher: "You're still wandering around outside the temple." or, "You're scratching your foot while your head itches."
7. Student: "Maybe you don;t understand." Teacher: "The arrow has already passed downtown." (the action has left you behind)
8. Student: (picks up the hammer and simulates driving a nail) Teacher: "Very good, so, this hammer and this sound (uses hammer to strike a surface), are they the same or different?" The teacher has accepted the answer and moved on to a different issue of existential understanding.
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2010 11:49:19 GMT -5
LOL. OK, leave the happiness of the hammer to one side (poor thing). Who are you to say it should be in the garage? Who are you to decide what its use is? I'm the home owner! Hammers make good slaves but horrible masters. I appreciate your compassion for the hammer, (suffering is good for the hammer soul) but to a hammer everything looks like a nail, and so driving nails is it's only function. |
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Post by frankshank on Apr 2, 2010 12:10:35 GMT -5
Enigma/ZD: I'm out at the mo so haven't got time to read and digest. I'll read again later. When I challenged enigma I wasn't under the illusion that I was definitely right. It just helps me to plug you guys. If I come out with nonsense and you correct me my hope is some of it will sink in. I'm very grateful for the opportunity to plug you!
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